Discussion about DCS:WW2 goes here.

[[DCS]Unforgiven]

really? we had several of those in Clod and i would say they were several times more detailed.

Lets see... we have some screens of P51 which was released last year. Then a d9 which is in development for few months already by another team.

Then some landscape in a shady light which shows you nothing. And some landscape where one part is a photo and the other part seems like something i can scetch in paint.

 

So what do we get in the end?

A Sim that has 5 planes with some higher res. textures and worse landscape and plus clickpits and super detailed modelled radio systems... (where is the rolling eyes smiley?). A missing multiplayer part - which is out of schedule, because its unpredictable....

 

 

SO dont pledge, simple enough isnt it?

Edited September 5, 2013 by SiThSpAwN

[JGzbV_Manni]

Manni, we get it, you don't want to suppport a new flight sim. The world needs dreamers and doers, you know? - Not just cynical glass-half-empty people.

sure i want to support a new flightsim.

i simply choose the one with potential.

 

And iam usualy very very optimistic ...

[Uufflakke]

Or the Oleg speech at the fireplace took more than an hour or so and they cut it back into a 2 minutes speech. Or they had to do it over and over again.

(When you take a look at the high flames in the fireplace at the beginning and the tiny sparks at the end of the speech.)

 

Anyway, I hope this project becomes successful just like BoS of course.

So I can switch from the cold snow covered Russian fields to summer Normandy whenever I like.

[ATAG_Slipstream]

You can never have too many air combat sims!

[JGzbV_Manni]

You can never have too many air combat sims!

sure you can.

better have one financially well founded and therefore good sim with a tiny customer base then 2 average sims with each having half of the players

[Freycinet]

Exactly Uther!

 

I did my part too: supported the three WWII hi-fidelity flight sims being worked on at the moment with more or less the same amount:

 

Il-2: Cliffs of Dover (ATAG server costs)

Il-2: Battle of Stalingrad (Premium Pre-order)

DCS WWII: Europe 1944 (Kickstarter pledge)

 

- Seems to me that we could soon be living in the Golden Age of WWII flight sims! It just takes some support from fans all over the world to become reality...

Manni, competition is healthy..... It is always like that.

[theOden]

Thats a confusing statement, of course he is trying to "sell it", he is his own producer now... he has only himself to sell his product.... he needs to be more than a developer now... Do statements from any other developer not come across the same???

 

Haha yes I do realize it sounds odd, people usually rise an eyebrow when I state this but I never ever ever trust a salesperson as they usually improve facts with things that sound good and I personally prefer to buy from a less extrovert person where I hear no odd adjectives etc. but pure facts, even those that might not sound so positive. For example I just love to hear Jason/LOFT say "No" to features and whatnot. Gives me a very trustworthy picture unlike "I'm legendary" and such improvements and unnecessary adjectives.

 

But most people buy from salespersons when things sounds so nice, I don't.

[[DCS]Unforgiven]

I never trust a doctor, but they

I never trust a doctor either, but I still visit them when the occasion rises

 

Either way, this thread really needs about the latest offering, not so much on opinions of Luthiers character (which he seems open about discussing anyways), there are plenty opinions on that and we have all heard them hundreds of thousands of times, much like opinions about devs on this board and other sim/game boards... at some point it just gets old...

 

 

Haha yes I do realize it sounds odd, people usually rise an eyebrow when I state this but I never ever ever trust a salesperson as they usually improve facts with things that sound good and I personally prefer to buy from a less extrovert person where I hear no odd adjectives etc. but pure facts, even those that might not sound so positive. For example I just love to hear Jason/LOFT say "No" to features and whatnot. Gives me a very trustworthy picture unlike "I'm legendary" and such improvements and unnecessary adjectives.

 

But most people buy from salespersons when things sounds so nice, I don't.

[Uufflakke]

Early WIP of map and ED's new terrain engine...

 

 

I'm a bit confused about this image and  wanna know what I am looking at.

Is left a foto and right the DCS WWII landscape.

Or is left the DCS WWII EDGE landscape and  is the spinach green landscape right from another sim?

There is also confusion about it at the Eagle site by the way.

[[DCS]Unforgiven]

No one has commented on it yet, we are assuming its an photo/EDGE screen shot, but no one is sure... the terrain engine shots are all WIP shots as well... so not sure what point they are at in development.

[III/JG53Frankyboy]

i personaly dont like this highpower latewar scenario.......

And yes , wirh Luthier ar the front, the ywill not get any money from me so,early. If the ymanage to produce a working product , i mos tpropably will buy it, yes!

[Freycinet]

The landscape looks like Point du Hoc to me. Sim to the right, photo to the left...

BTW, Jason asked for no personal attacks in this thread, so.... Probably better focus on the project than the person.

[ITAF_Lynx11]

Guys, who of you would pay again a restaurant where you had big ambitions and at the end you eat really bad, chef was absent, co-chef not able to manage a good restaurant and waiters not knowing where to help, abandoned at them self ?

[[DCS]Unforgiven]

SO you are saying the entire CloD team was bad by that statement? Arent some of the CloD team here?

Guys, who of you would pay again a restaurant where you had big ambitions and at the end you eat really bad, chef was absent, co-chef not able to manage a good restaurant and waiters not knowing where to help, abandoned at them self ?

[Uufflakke]

No one has commented on it yet, we are assuming its an photo/EDGE screen shot, but no one is sure... the terrain engine shots are all WIP shots as well... so not sure what point they are at in development.

 

Found the original image of Point du Hoc on which the montage is based.

Left is indeed a foto.    I hoped to hear it was the EGDE engine.

Well....

 

 

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

Guys, no personal stuff, not here. ive had to bite my lip here too, but Jason has asked so we should stick to it.

 

There are other places to talk a bit more in depth

[JGzbV_Manni]

SO you are saying the entire CloD team was bad by that statement? Arent some of the CloD team here?

nope he said that only for the 2 chiefs in command.

the waiters tried and their effort is recognized.

Edited September 5, 2013 by JGzbV_Manni

[[DCS]Unforgiven]

I see, ok, well I wont bother with this thread anymore if its just going to continue the negativity of the past, I look forward to BoS and DCS WWII, I'd rather not dwell in the past, otherwise colour this forum yellow.

nope he said that only for the 2 chiefs in command.
the waiters tried :d and their effort is recognized.

[Tektolnes]

I'm in for a hundred quid. The Mustang is a fantastic plane to fly and 4 more to around that level of all round fidelity is a dream come true. A lot to look forward to next year with these flight sims on the way.

[Freycinet]

Somebody really wants to kill this thread... - Yup, same people as always, seen before...

[JGzbV_Manni]

Which same people?

Did you ever saw a post by me in the english section? I doubt it.

 

I simply dont see what you seem to see in this project.

If they can show me something convincing someday i will for sure buy it - till then i wait and read.

[Zmaj76]

Exactly Uther!

 

I did my part too: supported the three WWII hi-fidelity flight sims being worked on at the moment with more or less the same amount:

 

Il-2: Cliffs of Dover (ATAG server costs)

Il-2: Battle of Stalingrad (Premium Pre-order)

DCS WWII: Europe 1944 (Kickstarter pledge)

 

- Seems to me that we could soon be living in the Golden Age of WWII flight sims! It just takes some support from fans all over the world to become reality...

Manni, competition is healthy..... It is always like that.

its easier when you live in country with (more) stable economics and when you have a good income....

 

 

just saying....nothing personal

 

imagine my fellow countrymen with av salary of 800 bucks, loans, kids...buying all the stuff with whom ur showing off....some of them still spent money on sims....thats a f dedication and support

Edited September 5, 2013 by Tvrdi

[ATAG_Slipstream]

I'm in $40, not sure how I will find the time to play  BoS, CoD, DCS, Star Citizen...

[Zmaj76]

I'm in $40, not sure how I will find the time to play  BoS, CoD, DCS, Star Citizen...

there are ppl without real jobs and kids i guess :-)

[ITAF_Lynx11]

Guys, who of you would pay again a restaurant where you had big ambitions and at the end you eat really bad, chef was absent, co-chef not able to manage a good restaurant and waiters not knowing where to help, abandoned at them self ?

 

Let's say that for me, before I go back in that restaurant with the same chef and co-chef, I need trusted references of good service and excellent meals...

 

Disappointments are enough only once... at least for me...

[BFsSmurfy]

Off topic slightly but my idea of WW2 sim Utopia would be all these teams developing sims working together and producing the largest most detailed sim ever made. pooling resources and finances in an attempt to make the aforementioned.

[Tektolnes]

 

Let's say that for me, before I go back in that restaurant with the same chef and co-chef, I need trusted references of good service and excellent meals...

 

Disappointments are enough only once... at least for me...

 

 

I know what you mean and if it was a completely stand alone sim developed from the ground up I'd be wary but with DCS World we have ED basically saying that if the meal isn't right it won't even be served up to you in the first place. I have trust in companies like ED and 777 and if they say they're going to do something I feel comfortable backing them.

[FTC_Karaya]

Pledged 62$, thats 47€, less than the BoS Standard Edition which I have preordered as well...

[ram0506]

I'm in, too. 87$.

[FlatSpinMan]

Guys

Everyone is entitled to an opinion but let's avoid condemning a game before it is even done.

[Zmaj76]

Im innnnnnnnn!!!!!

 

Luthier wrote:

Hi everyone

 

Sorry if this has already been brought on to your attention. I skimmed through the forums but couldn't find anything similar, so here goes :

 

Luthier (Ilya Shevchenko) who was the lead programmer at CLOD, has announced a partnership with Eagle Dynamics-DCS World, in order to launch a new, hardcore flight simulator in September 2014 for WW2 1944 period (initially), with aircraft and details at the level of the DCS-P51 Mustang module. Many people have some reservations about luthier, given the previous mistakes with CLOD, but this time the project is completely different : it will be based on DCS World new engine (EDGE), which has been proven to be bug-free, and everything they produce will be in collaboration and inspection by the ED team before release. ED have already announced that they have almost finished the Dora as a new module, which will be out soon. 

 

Both the P51 and the Dora modules will be the exact same in the new sim, titles DCS:WWII. You can find some details on the links below : 

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.ph...52#post1855052

 

Luthier answers some questions here (skim through the pages if you have the patience):

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=109847&page=51

 

In order for the project to work, they announced that they need funding from the community (in part). This has been made through a site called Kickstarter. Basically how it works is that the fans chip in some money and they get something in return, only if the goal has been reached. Basic goal for the sim is 100.000$, with stretch goals up to 1 million. If they get to the 100k goal, the sim will be launched in a huge normandy map, in 1944, with the following aircraft : P47, P51, Spit Mk IX, 109 K4, Fw190D. Release date for it is in 12 months. With more money there are extra aircraft like the Mosquito, P38, A26, Me262, Typhoon and even B17, all at DCS detail level, with additional extra maps. Multiplayer is also planned. 

 

Supports can start from 1$. At 40$ and above, you get ALL flyable aircraft in the series (including the ones that will be released as the sim evolves over the years) plus early beta access. Sounds like a good bargain if you enjoy flying DCS P51D realism level. 

 

here is the link to the kickstarter site for anyone who is interested in supporting : 

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...ii-europe-1944

 

The funding campaing will last for 30 days. 

 

cheers

 

 

 

from kickstarter page:

Legendary flight simulation designers Oleg Maddox, Ilya Shevchenko, and Igor Tishin, are excited to bring you a new WWII flight simulation for the PC. Built by industry veterans with the same approach that made the famous flight sims of the past great, and in partnership with the experts at the Fighter Collection and Eagle Dynamics, the simulation aims to satisfy seasoned aces as well as attract new pilots to the genre.With unparalleled attention to detail, our developers have decades of experience with aerial combat simulations. We are famous for our ability to make our games fun while maintaining unwavering dedication to historical realism. We can do it because relatively simple WWII-era aircraft do not require extensive training, and nimble controls and simple weapons naturally lead to fast-paced close-quarters battles. 

We want to open a new page in WWII combat simulations. We also strive to recapture everything that made famous flight simulations of the past great, starting with a thick spiral-bound manual and comprehensive training, and ending with great free-for-all multiplayer. But we cannot do it without your help!

Flyable Aircraft:

• Republic P-47D-28 Thunderbolt;
• Supermarine Spitfire Mk IX;
• Messerschmitt Bf-109K-4;
• Focke-Wulf FW.190D-9 (from DCS: World);
• North-American P-51D Mustang (from DCS: World).

 

Non-Flyable Aircraft:

• Boeing B-17G Flying Fortress;
• Messerschmitt Me.262A-1.

 

Landscape: 

• Normandy. Area of the historical D-Day Invasion, as well as the extensive preparation and follow-up battles.

 

Single-Player:

• Training campaign for each aircraft;
• Luftwaffe Fighter campaign (Bf.109);
• British Fighter campaign (Spitfire);
• US Ground Attack campaign (P-47).

 

Multi-Player:

• Selection of missions for each aircraft.

 

Other:

• Authentic ground vehicles, guns, and ships;
• Authentic historical buildings and landmarks;
• Regular content updates.

$100,000 

• Standard project features 

 

$375,000 

• Everything at the previous level, plus: 
• A flyable Hawker Typhoon IB
• A flyable FW.190A-5
• Single-player campaign for the Typhoon 
• Single-player campaign for the FW.190 

 

$550,000 

• Everything at the previous level, plus: 
• A flyable Douglas A-26B-15 Invader 
• A flyable Messerschmitt Me.262A-1
• Ardennes, new large gameplay map 
• Single-player campaign for the A-26 
• Single-player campaign for the Me.262 
• A Luftwaffe Fighter and a US Fighter campaign for the Battle of the Bulge. 

 

$750,000 

• Everything at the previous level, plus: 
• A flyable Lockheed P-38J-15
• A flyable de Havilland Mosquito FB.VI
• Single-player campaign for the P-38 
• Single-player campaign for the Mosquito 

 

$1,000,000 

• Everything at the previous level, plus: 
• A flyable Boeing B-17 
• A flyable Luftwaffe plane (Me 410 A or Ju 88, as voted for by the backers)
• Romania, new large gameplay map 
• 4 new single-player campaigns for the new aircraft and theaters 

 

Oleeeeeeeg!!!! Hardcore sim....FM....beautiful visuals....normandy......

 

 

aaaaarrghhhhhhhh

Edited September 5, 2013 by Tvrdi

[kestrel79]

I'm gonna stay away for now. I may throw down 40 bucks if they are close in the closing days and show some better screenshots of the direction they are heading with the Normandy map.

[Zmaj76]

50 gonneeee...lalalalal

hardcore sim

Oleg

P47...

my cup of tea

 

btw, just in a few hours they are at 1/10 of the goal fund....

Edited September 5, 2013 by Tvrdi

[4S_Nero]

I stay away and not one euro for ED & Co. I will support only BOS. Sorry.

Edited September 5, 2013 by 4SNero

[leitmotiv]

Respect to 777/1C for allowing this topic on forum 

 

Tvrdi i know you're excited, but we know the address and can find the info

 

I like hardcore approach of DCS, but multiplayer is bad and i dont see they will give me what i wont in MP in near future, so ill probably just wait and buy P-47, i'm sure they will collect 100K to start

Edited September 5, 2013 by Yaklover

[dburne]

While I may have a little hesitation, I have decided I am going to go ahead and contribute 100 bucks to this project. I do this because I love the fact another WWII sim is being developed, and I know regardless of the past, there is no way ED is going to publish a sim that is not up to their standards, no matter who does it as the third party.  Heck I have spent more than that on sims/ modules that I have yet to fly, namely to support the developers and this genre.

 

This will be the very first time I have ever contributed to a kickstarter project. Same reason I pre-ordered the Premium Edition of BOS - first time I have ever done that as well ( pre-order). I own all the modules for the DCS series, and so far have only flown A-10C and am still going through it's learning curve. Heck, I guess now I need to load up the P-51 and start going through it's curve as well...

 

And I still say, no matter whether others get into this particular project or not, there looks to be great times ahead for us combat flight simmers. And that is good for all!

Edited September 5, 2013 by dburnette

[Zmaj76]

 

Respect to 777/1C for allowing this topic on forum 

 

Tvrdi i know you're excited, but we know the address and can find the info

 

I like hardcore approach of DCS, but multiplayer is bad and i dont see they will give me what i wont in MP in near future, so ill probably just wait and buy P-47, i'm sure they will collect 100K to start

 

You know the address....Are you insulted? OMG lol

 

MP is bad...which one? Of that not yet released game?

 

BTW, Jason and Luthier are friends, I have a picture where they are hugging and smiling....why would they lock this? Are we in a war?

Edited September 5, 2013 by Tvrdi

[Revvin]

As a flight sim fan it's hard not to be excited by a new WWII sim

[JG27_Chivas]

One hundred sent, but will increase pledge if its close enough to any of the stretch goals.  

[Recon]

Just saw this here - this is great news

 

wallet is going thin between BoS and DCS - but the good news is - this is a great great thing for ww2 flight simmers - support em all is my take right now

 

As little as $40 gets you the entire digital package of all the flyable aircraft in the game!