Discussion about DCS:WW2 goes here.

[DD_bongodriver]

Given Luthier is not even allowed to talk about it I'd be surprised if he can use any of it in a new title.

[DB605]

Main thing is, we have now two top notch sims coming in 2014 with different approach so it's win/win situation to us players.

[Dakpilot]

"I doubt very little, if nothing at all, will come from CoD"

 

I agree with that, but I am unfamiliar with the with the CloD Map surely the Normandy map falls within that maps area? or did it not cover that particular part of France

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[DD_bongodriver]

ROF also has a channel map, doesn't mean it's the same map as COD, since the plug was pulled on COD Luthier has absolutely nothing to do with it any more, he has been legally disassociated from it.

[ram0506]

And if you see the few pics of the Normandy map on kickstarter, you can imagine that the DCS Normandy map will have nothing to do with the same part of the CloD map.

[Dakpilot]

That is not what I asked, I am aware ROF has a channel map and am sure the data from that would be very useful when BOS gets around to that theater.

 

I dont think you can be legally  disassociated from making a map of France, If The DCS WWII Normandy map falls within the previous CloD map I should think this can only be of benefit regarding past experience, a win win

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[DD_bongodriver]

Yes but the map will still be built from scratch and use no part of existing data from Clods because it is the IP of 1C and that is what he is legally disassociated from.

[SYN_Ricky]

I don't think any of the plane set used in COD are available in DCS:WWII. Aircraft data for the marks included in WWII will be very different. The modeling of aircraft systems is significantly different and even the 3d Models have a different LoD and damage models and anyway the IP for COD is owned by 1C and I doubt they would share.

 

I doubt very little, if nothing at all, will come from CoD

I was talking strictly about map/elevation data.

[Dakpilot]

I dont think 1C own the rights to data or research of 1940's France.

 

A simple question does the area of the Normandy map fall in the area of the CloD map?

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[DD_bongodriver]

Ok sorry, I simply assumed it was blindingly obvious but yes, of course it does, Normandy is very much featured in the Channel map in order to accurately cover part of the Geographic region of that conflict.

 

here is CoD's actual map

 

Edited October 6, 2013 by DD_bongodriver

[Dakpilot]

Has there been any pictures of the DCS WWII map, that map does not seem to cover much of the Normandy area, I am not trying to argue here, just looking for info

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[DD_bongodriver]

Yes there has but none give an indication of the final area of coverage, but at this stage the talk is of not including the English coastline at all and setting the timeframe to post invasion when the Allies have established forward operating bases in the region.

[Dutch]

I've just been trying to trace the initial estimation of the map size, but can't find it at the moment. If memory serves, the initial thought was that it would be roughly equivalent to a block of six squares of the Cliffs map Bongo posted above.

 

That's roughly the same as what is commonly actually used in Multiplayer Cliffs of Dover at the moment, such as the South-east England/North-west France area from Wilmington to Dunkirk. But in Normandy, obviously.

 

But, with the announcement of the SDK release, I suppose by the time release date comes along, we could be looking at a much more comprehensive map, but someone correct me if I've got the wrong end of the stick here.

[TheBlackPenguin]

Slightly off-topic, but when I look at that Clod map of the BoB area and try to imagine expanding it to enable the strategic bombing campaign it would really seem to be a rather momentous task just on the terrain/cities alone, let alone modelling the bombers for any team.

[Dutch]

Slightly off-topic, but when I look at that Clod map of the BoB area and try to imagine expanding it to enable the strategic bombing campaign it would really seem to be a rather momentous task just on the terrain/cities alone, let alone modelling the bombers for any team.

 

Definitely. But my understanding is that they'll do the map in 'blocks', so we could have a map of Lincolnshire and Norfolk, plus a map of the Ruhr Valley, but linked together with generic 'sea' and a bit of generic landscape in between for long range missions, if anyone would want to fly that long that is.

[LLv44_Mprhead]

Slightly off-topic, but when I look at that Clod map of the BoB area and try to imagine expanding it to enable the strategic bombing campaign it would really seem to be a rather momentous task just on the terrain/cities alone, let alone modelling the bombers for any team.

 

Map for strategic bombing campaign would need to be quite big, yes. But with a map of like the one in CloD you could already build historical missions for strategic bombers also. Not the most famous ones, but the missions to the Northern France, Belgium and Holland to bomb Luftwaffe airfields and other targets like that. Although I am not sure about the time frame for such missions. Here is link to one book about the subject http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/mission-85-ivo-de-jong/1113804999?ean=9780811712019

 

Ofc it would be good to expand that map a little bit farther east - northeast.

Edited October 6, 2013 by mprhead

[AndyJWest]

Luthier originally stated that the Normandy map would be 100 x 160 km: http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1860559&postcount=1023

 

As far as I'm aware, he's not actually revised this - though obviously with the release of the SDK, a community effort may expand it.

[LLv44_Mprhead]

Luthier originally stated that the Normandy map would be 100 x 160 km: http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1860559&postcount=1023

 

As far as I'm aware, he's not actually revised this - though obviously with the release of the SDK, a community effort may expand it.

 

Judging by that it would be something like 6 blocks of bottom left corner of map that Bongo linked. I really hope that they can expand it a bit, with the crates that are coming, it doesn't take a long time to fly from one end to another and it would also give a bit more room for making historic missions.

[Bearcat]

I see no reason why RRG cannot create a map of the same area or recreate some of the same aircraft as in CoD as long as they aren't using the same map.. Not that they would because it has been said what planes will be in this and none of them are in CoD but nothing prevents them from making another English channel map.. unless I am missing something.

[Revvin]

Maybe with the SDK this is something the community can help with, like a giant patchwork quilt where different groups can't contribute though I suspect it could be a legal minefield

[LLv44_Mprhead]

Maybe with the SDK this is something the community can help with, like a giant patchwork quilt where different groups can't contribute though I suspect it could be a legal minefield

 

 I understand the first part, but what do you mean by the latter part?

[Revvin]

iPad autocorrect, replace "can't" with "can"

[DD_bongodriver]

The machines are already taking over...........

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

The SDK for the maps is a good idea, there are lots of very dedicated flight sim people out there.

 

Though would they be limited to the textures of what EDGE has on board...so no Med?

[DD_bongodriver]

it would be a pointless SDK if there were no means of creating custom textures, I imagine any created terrains would have separate directories with their own texture folders.

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

So we could get the Med? excited!

[DD_bongodriver]

If we really wanted we could have Narnia........

[EAF_Paf]

If we really wanted we could have Narnia........

 

..and you say this after the KS is over!?

[DD_Arthur]

..and you say this after the KS is over!?

 

Lol.  Actually I would think Narnia really would be a legal minefield!  Normandy? Nah. No one holds a copyright over the countryside of Northern France.   Yet.

[DD_bongodriver]

Lol.  Actually I would think Narnia really would be a legal minefield!  Normandy? Nah. No one holds a copyright over the countryside of Northern France.   Yet.

 

Damn...you're right, and I had a whole series of wings over Gondor ideas too

[Revvin]

[Skoshi_Tiger]

I fairly sure the dev's said that map size is not an issue with the Edge engine. The big issue is populating the map with sufficient detail.

 

I guess until see the level of detail that the EDGE engine is capable of we won't know how big the contrast would be. That could kill immersion travelling over an empty landscape and having an abrupt change into the map proper.

[Shadylurker]

Any new sim is a good one.

 

 

Exactly.  How anyone can complain is beyond me.  

[VA_NAVY]

You can fool me once, you can fool me twice, a fool and his money are soon parted. Nuff said.

[Bearcat]

Hmmm I see the KS money has indeed come out. We shall surely see... Navy I dig where you are coming from... but I just figured it was almost like a very expensive lottery ticket.. and I will still have BoS.

[Skoshi_Tiger]

The final destination is only part of the journey, it's the trip that counts and the characters you meet along the way. 

[Pizzicato]

Exactly.  How anyone can complain is beyond me.  

 

You must be new here. :D

[Revvin]

I pre-ordered IL-2:BoS because 777 Studios were involved, if it had just been a team within 1C I would have waited and seen how things turn out as I'd see it as more of a risk than backing this Kickstarter with former IL-2 developers and Eagle Dynamics behind the project. I dont think my faith is misplaced for DCS WWII

[Mac_Messer]

Well this is a 2nd chance for Luthier. If he fails this time, I don`t think anyone will be willing to list his name in the credits anytime soon.

[Feathered_IV]

Time will tell.   Although I suspect time will be the first casualty.