ram0506 Posted October 2, 2013 Posted October 2, 2013 (edited) I think your assumption is correct. Maybe the Paypal amount is added only after the end of the kickstarter campaign. This means that we (maybe) won´t reach the first stretch goal but after adding the Paypal amount will get the Me262 anyway. Edited October 2, 2013 by ram0506
JG27_Chivas Posted October 2, 2013 Posted October 2, 2013 The DCSWW2 development has said they have funding to create the free demo, but there was no word where that funding came from, probably a number of sources. Large kickstarter monies would have allowed them to hire more people to create more content faster. They hoped they'd draw from the non community combat sim market, but it appears not much of that happened. I doubt the 130,000 would let them do any hiring, but it wouldn't hurt either, and wouldn't change the development plan. People have said the development is poorly managed because they keep changing the business plan. The business plan hasn't changed, rewards and free aircraft in the demo changed, due to community feedback. Changing to one free aircraft was necessary so the development could be drawing revenue from "NON Backers" while they created further paid content, during the year or so after the demo is released. Smart move, but also the only move they had when kickstarter didn't reach any stretch goals. Making changes aren't a sign a project is poorly managed, not making changes when the situation demands it would indicate problems. 2
royraiden Posted October 2, 2013 Posted October 2, 2013 (edited) If Im not mistaken a big part of the funding come from ED themselves.And I agree completely with your post Chivas. Edited October 2, 2013 by royraiden
DD_Arthur Posted October 2, 2013 Posted October 2, 2013 If Im not mistaken a big part of the funding come from ED themselves.And I agree completely with your post Chivas. Really? Do you have a link or any info to confirm that Roy. I'm interested.
Zuti Posted October 2, 2013 Posted October 2, 2013 There, pledged there also, let's see what happens now. Paypal works.
Mogster Posted October 2, 2013 Posted October 2, 2013 I think the Paypal option will remain open after the KS closes. Other KS have done the same, continuing crowd funding via incentives and pre-orders for sale on their own websites. As always Star Citizen is a good example.
Mac_Messer Posted October 2, 2013 Posted October 2, 2013 The DCSWW2 development has said they have funding to create the free demo, but there was no word where that funding came from, probably a number of sources. Large kickstarter monies would have allowed them to hire more people to create more content faster. They hoped they'd draw from the non community combat sim market, but it appears not much of that happened. I doubt the 130,000 would let them do any hiring, but it wouldn't hurt either, and wouldn't change the development plan. People have said the development is poorly managed because they keep changing the business plan. The business plan hasn't changed, rewards and free aircraft in the demo changed, due to community feedback. Changing to one free aircraft was necessary so the development could be drawing revenue from "NON Backers" while they created further paid content, during the year or so after the demo is released. Smart move, but also the only move they had when kickstarter didn't reach any stretch goals. Making changes aren't a sign a project is poorly managed, not making changes when the situation demands it would indicate problems. I wholeheartedly agree. The changes are positive. Non-backers should receive one flyable aircraft for free just like it is in DCS World. The P47 is a good choice, and maybe 15-20€ for each new fighter and 30-40€ for a new bomber. Now, if we ever saw the B17 developped, it could be as much as 50€ and people would still buy it almost immediately while others would wait for a discount. Just don`t make them discounts too often.
BMA_West Posted October 2, 2013 Posted October 2, 2013 I think your assumption is correct. Maybe the Paypal amount is added only after the end of the kickstarter campaign. This means that we (maybe) won´t reach the first stretch goal but after adding the Paypal amount will get the Me262 anyway. The PayPal pledges are added in lumps 2 times a day, at least that is what i read on the kickstarter.
BMA_West Posted October 2, 2013 Posted October 2, 2013 You are taking this way to seriously... He looks like a loveable geek.. some of my best friends are geeks.. hell I was a geek .. then I turned into a stud.. then the next thing I knew I was pushing 60 and I was an old geek.. and a flight sim geek at that ... so... just what in Sam hill are you talking about? Go have a beer or something.. take your prozac.. go look at some porn whatever but unloosen your shorts there pilgrim... cause this ain't that kinda party. No kidding, on their DCS forum somebody went that far to call IS "a PR clown" ... Given a chose between the two I sure would go for "Lovable geek" which has something endearing, could even be considered a compliment to me anyway.
=BKHZ=Furbs Posted October 2, 2013 Posted October 2, 2013 (edited) Were all flippin geeks. next time your flying your favourite flight sim with TrackR, headset and using your HOTAS and saying 'Roger' on TS ...get your Mrs, partner, GF, parent to take a picture of you, take a good long look and tell me you not a full blown 100% uber geek. Edited October 2, 2013 by =BKHZ=Furbs 5
SCFG_DC Posted October 2, 2013 Posted October 2, 2013 When I think of all the flaming that goes on. Of which I am guilty too. I think of this quote. "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." Theodore Roosevelt. 3
6./ZG26_Emil Posted October 2, 2013 Posted October 2, 2013 Roosevelt didn't have TIR 5 so he's a noob not a geek :D
LLv44_Mprhead Posted October 2, 2013 Posted October 2, 2013 TrackIR = Geek Crown. Damned thing, that 150k seems much closer call than I thought it would be. And still probably won't quite get there 1
Skoshi_Tiger Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 (edited) I think the Paypal option will remain open after the KS closes. Other KS have done the same, continuing crowd funding via incentives and pre-orders for sale on their own websites. As always Star Citizen is a good example. At the bottom of the first post Luthier had the following to say http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=114943 When will you stop accepting PayPal? When we reach our 150K combined goal via the two sources. So there is hope for the 262 even if the stretch goal is not reached in the kickstarter! Edited October 3, 2013 by Skoshi_Tiger
kevman Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 Im getting more and more worried about this game. Agree that changes to the rewards are positive but also kind of seems like they dont understand the market that well or really thought the whole thing through before starting. Lack of promo material ,no website, complicated rewards all spells disorganisation to me. Just hope I have not spent 85s bucks on a backers t-shirt!
Mac_Messer Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 I got some extra cash I can drop, now I`m confused as to what do I get within $40 pledge when compared to $30?
Skoshi_Tiger Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 Ilya Shevchenko about 3 hours ago Hey everyone, We had an absolutely amazing day today, and surprisingly, paypal was not the biggest reason for it at all. Paypal and KS combined, today was the third best day of the campaign, and almost three quarters of it came right here through kickstarter. As of this very second, we've raised $1,488.75 on PayPal for the overall total of, $132,488.75 If we continue this way tomorrow and Friday, we will have reached our Me.262 stretch goal by the time the campaign ends! And, over two thousand backers! That's an amazing number! I'm very happy we have this many people contributing to the project. Even if you're one of over 130 backers who only pledged $1, I count myself extremely fortunate to have your support. Simply having people play your product, enjoy it, commit beforehand to want to see it through, that means a lot. THANK you everyone who backed this project, today or any other day. Very positive comments by the developer! I got some extra cash I can drop, now I`m confused as to what do I get within $40 pledge when compared to $30? I'd ask this question in the kickstarter forum, you might get a more informed response. Are you using kickstarter or paypal? The package varies between the two. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/508681281/dcs-wwii-europe-1944/comments
MACADEMIC Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 I got some extra cash I can drop, now I`m confused as to what do I get within $40 pledge when compared to $30? Okay, $30 will give you all the five flyable aircraft upon the game's release: P-47, Bf109-K4, Spitfire MkIX, P-51D, FW190-D9. $40 would also give the the Me-262, if the stretch goal of $150.000,- funding will be reached. MAC
Skoshi_Tiger Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 if the stretch goal of $150.000,- funding will be reached. MAC According to the post Paypal funding of the project will continue after the kickstarter ends and continue until they reach the $150,000 so that goal actually looks in reach. When will you stop accepting PayPal? When we reach our 150K combined goal via the two sources.
kestrel79 Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 I'll probably procrastinate and throw some cash to this. 5 DCS quality planes for 40 bucks sounds pretty solid.
BMA_West Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 Damned thing, that 150k seems much closer call than I thought it would be. And still probably won't quite get there I upped my ante by doubling my initial pledge, there is only so much one can do besides crossing one's fingers or pray ...
LLv44_Mprhead Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 I think there is now a good chance to get 6 DCS quality planes for 40$. Nice.
gn728 Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 Soo...I decided after after much forum reading, here, simHQ, EDD, what the heck, in for $40 - go to the Kickstarter page and it shows 1 left on the $75 with the 2 manuals, which had been previously all sold - only 1 left? - couldn't resist...
BMA_West Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 Soo...I decided after after much forum reading, here, simHQ, EDD, what the heck, in for $40 - go to the Kickstarter page and it shows 1 left on the $75 with the 2 manuals, which had been previously all sold - only 1 left? - couldn't resist... gn728 look up the matrix tiers selections in kickstarter, which compere to the matrix as available for PayPal, while offering the numbers of extras you want: http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/products/WWII/backer_paypal.php No extra postal charges there any more!
Shadylurker Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 I actually pledged there, came here the next day and pre ordered premium. DCS hasn't let me down yet, and CLOD isn't much of a game, but the ROF developers will probably deliver above and beyond with a real sequel to 1946. The future is looking good for prop sims!
BMA_West Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 Paypal 3 hours ago 2,690.58 with KS 137,240.00 for the moment bringing it at 139,930.58 with 33 hours to go
Skoshi_Tiger Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 (edited) Really? Do you have a link or any info to confirm that Roy. I'm interested. On the kickstarter home page they say The money being raised is only a portion of the development budget. The majority of the programming, some aircraft art, and more, are the costs that the team is funding internally. So I'm not sure if "Internally means ED or maybe it is the developers own money? Funding is also mentioned on the latest video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KARx6C6Y4r8&feature=youtu.be Edited October 4, 2013 by Skoshi_Tiger
Skoshi_Tiger Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 Those last 59 hours are pretty exciting Well unless people pull $40,000 at the last minute we've already got the sim, and paypal will continue so the 262 looks good to go. As you say, exciting!
Wolger Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 Yup gonna hit 150k! With 24 hours to go on this kickstarter, we have a combined total of $139,871 + $3,317.82 = $143,188.82
Dutch Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 WIP Pictures of 109 cockpit available to backers only. Cool beans..........
EAF_Paf Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 WIP Pictures of 109 cockpit available to backers only. Cool beans.......... Really? Why keep it to the backers? This would be something for people still undecided!
ST_ami7b5 Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 WIP Pictures of 109 cockpit available to backers only. Cool beans.......... Source?
royraiden Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 Source? If you are a backer check the latest update.They look impressive!!!We suggested they should go public though.
Dutch Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 Source? Me. I'm a backer. Only backers can view this particular update.
JGzbV_Manni Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 (edited) http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5592&page=6&p=63320&viewfull=1#post63320 Edited October 4, 2013 by JGzbV_Manni
ST_ami7b5 Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 Me. I'm a backer. Only backers can view this particular update. OK, found it
BMA_West Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 (edited) Whaw 144.929 Usd PayPal added with 24 hours to go! Dev pics in b&w of the Messerschmitt Bf-109K-4 pit, on dcs forum post #864: Druk op CTRL en klik als je de link wilt volgen">http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/508681281/dcs-wwii-europe-1944isn't she something ... Edited October 4, 2013 by West
Requiem Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 (edited) Thanks for posting the link to the 13th update. That's the sort of thing I wanted to see before I back it (proof of life), so I guess I can back it now just in the nick of time Edited October 4, 2013 by Requiem
SvAF/F16_Goblin Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 (edited) The images on DCS forum were removed but boy do they look the part. It's looking as good as the Ju87 cockpit on BoS update Lets face itmates, we're in for a great 2014 Happy to say I've backed them both.. Edited October 4, 2013 by 332_HaJa
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