Discussion about DCS:WW2 goes here.

[Creepermoss]

I see the P-51 as an efficient machine, but the 109s just have this...style... to them.

[Bearcat]

She is a beauty Bearcat

Currently looking into Checkertail skins with the help of VH-Rock.

The only thing that disappoints me with the Redtails is the lack of images available of their aircraft. i mean they were such a large unit in the MTO and barely any aircraft images survive?

I know the 325th has a Photographer for each Squadron (so 317th, 318th and 319th FS)but did the 332nd have no official.Photographer? Where are the images of their aircraft?

Love the skin though BC, cheers, MP

 

 

Thanks Niel I did the pilot skin as well but that was much more challenging.I know of about 20 paint schemes used by the 332nd.

 

@ AJW ... nice skin.

 

 

Is it just me who feels nothing at all when it comes to the P51? i know all about its history and what it achieved, but purely on a visual level it does nothing for me, even when seen up close in real life compared to a Spitfire or a 109.

 

Watching the real life 190 video posted the other day gave me goosebumps, but the Mustang? nothing

 

Ive never felt tempted to get the DCS P51, but a DCS Mossie or P47 makes me all giddy inside.

The P-51 has always been my favorite plane.. Well not always. Initially it was the P-40 but that was because my cousin who is 8 years older than me had a Cox P-40 that I used to sneak and play with when he was not around. Then I got a p-51 from somewhere and it was love it first sight. I made model planes as a kid so I had them all... I liked the Spits and 109 but the one that always got me was the Mustang.

[royraiden]

Beauty and the beholder and all that. I like flying the 109 in sims but I never saw it as a sleek looking machine either. On the other hand the P-51 just looks right. To me anyway.

Excatly how I see it as well.The 109 is my all time favorite but I just cant deny how modern/sleek/smooth the Mustang looks, its a joy just to look at it.

Edited September 29, 2013 by royraiden

[SvAF/F16_Goblin]

Same here, for some reason I have a bias towards the German planes and the Me262 or the FW190 are on the top of the list.

Don't feel the same about the allied planes for some reason. Perhaps the German planes look more "business" or something.

 

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[Zmaj76]

Very nice skin Bearcat. When I heard fir redtail´s.....their stories are inspiring and fascinated. My favourite US plane would be P47D and overall Spitfire  IX....both included in Europe 44 hehe.

DCS WW2 Europe 44 would be much different than BOS. Though both have their strongpoints. I believe Europe 44 would have more believable FM, much detailed CEM etc...BOS probably would have better effects and maybe crowded MP. We need to see.

I dont agree DCS has long learing curve. I needed 2 nights to learn CEM in P51, takeoff procedure etc... Ofcourse, that needs more practice to become automatic but nothing like its for geeks who habe einstein brains...

[tempered]

I've loved the look of the Mustang since I was a wee little boy, not big enough to piss in a key hole.  Had a model of the P-51 with a working prop and see thru fuselage.  The internals alone were a thing of beauty.  The P-51 seems to me to be the pinnicle of prop driven fighter planes.  

 

 I think second in line based solely on appearance would be the P-38 Lightning.  And of course, everyone loves the B17 and Mosquito.

[JGzbV_Manni]

I believe Europe 44 would have more believable FM

You repeat that over and over..

Why should DCS have a more believable FM, when the guy that developed the AFM concept is working at BoS exculively?

Edited September 29, 2013 by JGzbV_Manni

[DD_bongodriver]

Funny thing is, i like the P51B,  Weird.

 

No I get you, P-51B with the Malcolm hood is my absolute favourite 'stang, I really hope we can see some different variants appear over time.

[Zmaj76]

You repeat that over and over..

Why should DCS have a more believable FM, when the guy that developed the AFM concept is working at BoS exculively?

Guy who did P51 FM is working on FMs for all planes in Europe 44. This is all I need to know.

Edited September 29, 2013 by Tvrdi

[JGzbV_Manni]

And the guy who laid the base for this work is working on BoS planes - so what?

We simply dont know yet which FM might be more believable.

[Zmaj76]

And the guy who laid the base for this work is working on BoS planes - so what?

We simply dont know yet which FM might be more believable.

FM of BOS planes will be done by guy who did ROF FMs. Guy who did DCS P51 flightmodel, which is much different than base FMs in DCS series did a guy who will be in charge for FMs of all DCS WW2 Europe 44 planes. We dont know anything about future FMs, I was making my presumptions based on everything  I know about both engines and ppl involved. BOS FM would be very good I dont doubt.

BTW, why Im arguing with you? I will be playing both sims and you will be playing only one?

Edited September 29, 2013 by Tvrdi

[JGzbV_Manni]

you are arguing with me cause i highlighted false statements you keep posting over and over at every forum.

 

I will fly both. I simply choose to support the in my eyes better concept.

[Zmaj76]

you are arguing with me cause i highlighted false statements you keep posting over and over at every forum.

 

I will fly both. I simply choose to support the in my eyes better concept.

Oh so its kinda personal thing....a die hard fanboy of one sim fixating one me. I wasnt making false statements. I was talking truth about ppl involved and about FMs I just gave MY opinion. Take that hating and bashing bull**** somewhere else.

Edited September 29, 2013 by Tvrdi

[DD_bongodriver]

Guys, this topic is about DCS, lets not talk about the other sim.

[Kaenzdhi]

 I believe Europe 44 would have more believable FM,

 

No going to happen, sorry

Guy who did P51 FM is working on FMs for all planes in Europe 44. This is all I need to know.

You are wrong too, on this one (yoyo will take a look at them, if he has time , but nothing more)

Edited September 29, 2013 by Scorlhov

[DD_bongodriver]

No going to happen, sorry

You are wrong too, on this one (yoyo will take a look at them, if he has time , but nothing more)

 

Well that all sounds very fair and unbiased........

[Kaenzdhi]

Well that all sounds very fair and unbiased........

It is

[Zmaj76]

Arrête ton char

[Kaenzdhi]

Arrête ton char

Instead of throwing insults, you better give some good arguments to justify your posts

[DD_bongodriver]

Better still lets discuss DCS WWII

[Mac_Messer]

Is it just me who feels nothing at all when it comes to the P51? i know all about its history and what it achieved, but purely on a visual level it does nothing for me, even when seen up close in real life compared to a Spitfire or a 109.

 

Watching the real life 190 video posted the other day gave me goosebumps, but the Mustang? nothing.

 

Ive never felt tempted to get the DCS P51, but a DCS Mossie or P47 makes me all giddy inside.

I have always liked the P51. It is a specialist aircraft. I think that DCS couldn`t make a better choice of a WWII plane for the start of new series. A well modeled P51 ensures me that I can get just as good recreation of the Kurfurst as possible, the most powerful 109 that could after all these war years still challenge the best allied aircraft.

Edited September 29, 2013 by Mac_Messer

[royraiden]

No going to happen, sorry

You are wrong too, on this one (yoyo will take a look at them, if he has time , but nothing more)

It has been confirmed already that he will be the one working on the Spitfire's FM while he would supervise the FM'S of the other aircraft.Forget the " you are wrong, Im right" business, we are trying to have a healthy discussion over here.

[Zmaj76]

And now is perfect time to let you discuss on the matter...I would not participate into this discussion anymore cause some ppl are just mean...

Edited September 29, 2013 by Tvrdi

[TheBlackPenguin]

It should make it to the 262, well hopefully as the last 48 hours tends to bring in a spike in funds, unfortunately we cannot rely on a tweet or some other endorsement from people like TotalBiscuit as this isn't his type of genre to really push it up and beyond. I do hope they have plans to allow additional funding after the Kickstarter ends, once work really begins we'll certainly will be seeing more material emerge which would attract more people.

[BFsSmurfy]

35K in  6 days given the current pledge rate would be a miracle, as MP has pointed out I`d be more weary of people realising that their donations could be reduced with little or no effect on what they`d receive.

[DD_bongodriver]

I'm really hoping people donated not simply for what they personally get from it.

[Mysticpuma]

Hwy BC. Amazing to think of all the 332nd aircraft, the amount of markings and noseart known is amazingly small. Wouldn't it be great if some collection of never before seen images turned up...one can but dream!

Personally I'm just made up that there will be a P-47. Can't wait to see some 56th FG skins

[Chuck_Owl]

Arrête ton char

 

You from Quebec, Tvrdi? That expression sounds very familiar.

[Mac_Messer]

It has been confirmed already that he will be the one working on the Spitfire's FM while he would supervise the FM'S of the other aircraft.Forget the " you are wrong, Im right" business, we are trying to have a healthy discussion over here.

That is correct.

Too sad that BoS fanbois lie just to derail DCS. Sad people.

[Pizzicato]

you better give some good arguments to justify your posts

Says the guy whose response to the suggestion that the DCS flight model would be better was "Sorry no going to happen".

 

Seriously, though. I don't think there's currently enough empirical evidence to say that one flight model will be better than the other. I'm not even convinced that there's an objective means of making the comparison. The "accuracy" of a flight model is as much about feel as it is about hard numbers.

 

Regardless, YoYo and Petrovich clearly know their stuff and are both very capable of developing convincingly believable flight models. We should all just be glad that they're both gainfully employed in making excellent flight sims for our grumpy, argumentative, impossible-to-please community.

Edited September 29, 2013 by Pizzicato

[Zuti]

If they would set up paypal, I'd pledge. As it is now, I am not that sure. And there is that "burned" feeling from the past... Let's see what happens.

[Rjel]

Too sad that BoS fanbois lie just to derail DCS. Sad people.

I wouldn't worry about it too much if I were you. It didn't work when the CLoD "fanbois" lied just to derail BoS.

[DD_bongodriver]

I wouldn't worry about it too much if I were you. It didn't work when the CLoD "fanbois" lied just to derail BoS.

 

Most of these apparent BoS derailers bought the premium.....so much for that theory, you see the difference being that most Clod 'fanbois' actually have space in their lives for other sims too.

Edited September 29, 2013 by DD_bongodriver

[Revvin]

You guys must really want this subject closing down, it's getting personal again. Its all getting a bit silly when we should be celebrating the fact that IL-2:BoS is not too far away and has a great team behind it and we've just helped to get another WWII sim through the Kickstarter process that has another great team behind it.

[Rjel]

Most of these apparent BoS derailers bought the premium.....so much for that theory, you see the difference being that most Clod 'fanbois' actually have space in their lives for other sims too.

That's great. Must be they recognized the quality product that we believe BoS to be.

[DD_bongodriver]

That's great. Must be they recognized the quality product that we believe BoS to be.

 

Yes, no doubt I won't regret my purchase, just like I didn't regret buying Clod and have absolutely no fear in backing the DCS kickstarter, we Clodites have a lot of love to give, we will still give some of you smaller minded types the a warm wecome if you get over yourselves.

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

I'm really hoping people donated not simply for what they personally get from it.

 

 

I think that's a lot to ask, considering what we know about human nature.

[DD_bongodriver]

You guys must really want this subject closing down, it's getting personal again. Its all getting a bit silly when we should be celebrating the fact that IL-2:BoS is not too far away and has a great team behind it and we've just helped to get another WWII sim through the Kickstarter process that has another great team behind it.

 

You would like to think so Revvin, but for some reason there are some very territorial types around here who just don't like change.

I think that's a lot to ask, considering what we know about human nature.

 

 

So our shiny gold bars should not have the adornement of the word founder but rather greedy self centered pigs?

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

You would like to think so Revvin, but for some reason there are some very territorial types around here who just don't like change.

 

 

So our shiny gold bars should not have the adornement of the word founder but rather greedy self centered pigs?

 

 

Not the individual, but as a species i don't think that would be very far off Bongo, unfortunately.  

[Freycinet]

To me the P-51 looks like a pregnant guppy with that huge belly radiator placed so far back. Together with the boxy vertical tail and wings it isn't exactly pretty in my eyes. I had to do a double-take when I read that the belly radiator actually increased the planes' air speed because of the jet effect of the hot exhaust... - Really an example of how appearances can be deceiving.

 

The somewhat so-so looks do not detract from the fact that it was a fantastic fighter that took the battle far into Germany and broke the back of the Luftwaffe.

Edited September 29, 2013 by Freycinet