Discussion about DCS:WW2 goes here.

[Skoshi_Tiger]

Oh! Another video on the kick starter page.

[Feathered_IV]

Good video, I enjoyed watching that.

[Dakpilot]

Great video.....just 23 days, or maybe two weeks too late

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[DD_bongodriver]

Great video.....just 23 days, or maybe two weeks too late

 

Cheers Dakpilot

 

Too late for what?

[Dakpilot]

Too late to be bothered to argue with you....

 

But really, if it/I wasn't clear, that vid should have been up at the launch of the project, along with a lot more info, and not a total absence  of any input through the middle of the campaign, it just really smacks of poor planning, and no preparation, its almost like the kickstarter was launched, and then they realised too late, someone ought to create some info about it

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[DD_bongodriver]

Too late to be bothered to argue with you....

 

But really, if it/I wasn't clear, that vid should have been up at the launch of the project, along with a lot more info, and not a total absence  of any input through the middle of the campaign, it just really smacks of poor planning, and no preparation, its almost like the kickstarter was launched, and then they realised too late, someone ought to create some info about it

 

Cheers Dakpilot

 

Aww your so mean I want to cry!

 

It's your opinion of course, as far as intended goals the Kickstarter was a success despite your wisdom.

[Uufflakke]

Ladies and gentlemen,

 

The notorious 'Bar in the FW-190' discussion is back at ED forums. 

 

 

[AndyJWest]

... as far as intended goals the Kickstarter was a success despite your wisdom.

 

Intended goals? All of them? Really?

[DD_bongodriver]

Intended goals? All of them? Really?

 

The intended goal of a kickstarter is to reach initial funding, stretch goals are simply bonuses..........so yeah all one of them were reached.

[Bearcat]

Too late to be bothered to argue with you....

 

But really, if it/I wasn't clear, that vid should have been up at the launch of the project, along with a lot more info, and not a total absence  of any input through the middle of the campaign, it just really smacks of poor planning, and no preparation, its almost like the kickstarter was launched, and then they realised too late, someone ought to create some info about it

 

Cheers Dakpilot

 

Be all that as it may be the KS not only met but exceeded it's goals therefore it was a success ..  The goal was to reach 100k yes?

 

bongo you and Dak really need to ignore each other.. don't feed it and it won't grow..

[DD_bongodriver]

Be all that as it may be the KS not only met but exceeded it's goals therefore it was a success ..  The goal was to reach 100k yes?

 

bongo you and Dak really need to ignore each other.. don't feed it and it won't grow..

 

I only asked him a question, if he can't let go of any butthurt then it's his problem.

[JG27_Chivas]

Even if kickstarter had been planned and setup differently, the same group would never have anything positive to say about it, or anything else.   I like Ilya thoughts on helping those new the genre have fun learning its intricacies.  I also like that he realizes the community does much better missions and campaigns and will support their efforts.   Users have more time, and sometimes more knowledge on particular missions/campaigns without having the restriction of building them so the average computer can play them.   The original IL-2 was very successful, for a number of reasons, one was the thousands of user made missions and campaigns available. 

 

I don't think their choice of maps was the best, but its not like they plan to leave it that way.  It appears they are going to stay with the ETO for awhile adding aircraft and maps.  While they are creating those maps/aircraft/content we will be able to learn to fly/fight the aircraft in the free demo, and learn the mission/campaign creation software, etc.   Hopefully the hardware/tech a few years from now will allow the developer to stitch together a fully detailed ETO map with playable frame rates, for long range B17 missions and everything in between.   The future could be very bright.  Being constantly negative thru the process does no one any good.

[Bearcat]

and your question was a reasonable one that did not deserve the answer it received.. however.. as I said.. you two really need to ignore each other ... on the KS front paqe one thing Luthier said I totally disagree with..

 

 

Brace yourselves. The video we're releasing now is a much less hardcore look at the game. Yet, it tries to answer some of the most important questions we have as flight simmers. 

Why are there so few of us? 

Why are millions of people playing other hardcore games, games with perhaps more of a learning curve than DCS P-51? Why are they willing to brave through hours of frustration, deaths, restarts, toxic multiplayer, and all of that for a payoff that, to me, is much less satisfying than watching your enemy go down after a dogfight?

 

Correct me if I am wrong but .. I don't think there are not too many more games that are more hardcore than a hard core sim when you consider all the factors involved.. Yes people spend hours and hours on those products .. but DCS.. Falcon... and other high fidelity sims like CoD  and even some of the other less hardcore by today's standards like IL2. That is the primary reason why we "are so few" because it is not easy.. because it is a challenge. THAT is why there are so many playing all the other games with all the things you mention and there are so few of us. That is why there are so many flying a certain new MMO flying game that has about as much to do with a true flight sim as a hamburger does with steak.  

 

The thing true sim developers need to keep in mind and the reason why I support this project as well  as others like it is that they are so few and the genre needs the high fidelity "hardcore" sim if the genre is to survive because sooner or later.. the flying gamers will get bored .. and they will need someplace to land. Pun intended..

[Dakpilot]

"Be all that as it may be the KS not only met but exceeded it's goals therefore it was a success ..  The goal was to reach 100k yes?"

 

I am very glad it has reached its prime aim of being funded, but that was not what was needed or expected. The "goal" surely must have been the $1mill stretch goal otherwise it would not have been there in the first place?,this was a target I thought very achievable in a kickstarter project with these big names in the Industry involved, Oleg, Ilya ED, every other successful kickstarter game project with a target of over $10,000 has had double and mostly three times the updates that we have seen in DCS WWII 

As I have said, Who would not want WWII in the DCS world, I am 100% for it,

but I stand by my personal opinion, worth nothing I know   that this project  has been poorly planned and followed through, not even a facebook page for the "last great hope " of the flight sim world, with past histories, I would have thought they could have got their ducks in a bit more of a row, before embarking on such an important undertaking.

​I wish them the best luck in the future development, and am confident in the ability to create the goods, but I see this more of an opportunity missed than a great success 

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[DD_bongodriver]

You really believe a facebook page would have netted them 1 mil?........of course you don't, you just wanted to use phrases like 'poorly planned' etc etc.

[6./ZG26_Emil]

and your question was a reasonable one that did not deserve the answer it received.. however.. as I said.. you two really need to ignore each other ... on the KS front paqe one thing Luthier said I totally disagree with..

 

 

 

Correct me if I am wrong but .. I don't think there are not too many more games that are more hardcore than a hard core sim when you consider all the factors involved.. Yes people spend hours and hours on those products .. but DCS.. Falcon... and other high fidelity sims like CoD  and even some of the other less hardcore by today's standards like IL2. That is the primary reason why we "are so few" because it is not easy.. because it is a challenge. THAT is why there are so many playing all the other games with all the things you mention and there are so few of us. That is why there are so many flying a certain new MMO flying game that has about as much to do with a true flight sim as a hamburger does with steak.  

 

The thing true sim developers need to keep in mind and the reason why I support this project as well  as others like it is that they are so few and the genre needs the high fidelity "hardcore" sim if the genre is to survive because sooner or later.. the flying gamers will get bored .. and they will need someplace to land. Pun intended..

 

Well I do agree with Luthiers sentiment about so called hardcore games. ARMA 2 spent years being considered a fairly hardcore tactical shooter, then Dean Hall made the Dayz mod and every man and his dog bought ARMA 2. In fact it went to the top of Steam sales for a couple of months iirc. The game wasn't made easier or dumbed down but it became the must have game for quite a while. So like Luthier said there while it would take you a week to get your head around DCS or any other flight sim it takes much longer to get in to other games in particular MMOs like Eve Online etc, the later requires you to 'train' for a few months to be able to compete.

[DD_bongodriver]

Zombies..........it's so obvious.

[Revvin]

Fighting squadrons of zombie Luftwaffe pilots? That's called 'playing online ' isn't it? <g,d,r>

[Chuck_Owl]

Hullo guys! Here is the Non-Official Trailer # 3 to Ilya for the last stretch. It`s my personal gift to him for his years of great service. Cheers!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yOAkay-Lis

Edited September 28, 2013 by Chuck_Owl

[Bearcat]

Well I do agree with Luthiers sentiment about so called hardcore games. ARMA 2 spent years being considered a fairly hardcore tactical shooter, then Dean Hall made the Dayz mod and every man and his dog bought ARMA 2. In fact it went to the top of Steam sales for a couple of months iirc. The game wasn't made easier or dumbed down but it became the must have game for quite a while. So like Luthier said there while it would take you a week to get your head around DCS or any other flight sim it takes much longer to get in to other games in particular MMOs like Eve Online etc, the later requires you to 'train' for a few months to be able to compete.

 

It might take you a week or so to get your head around DCS as far as the controls etc go  but the whole flying and fighting thing is much longer .. or am I mistaken or just a crap pilot..

[DD_bongodriver]

It might take you a week or so to get your head around DCS as far as the controls etc go  but the whole flying and fighting thing is much longer .. or am I mistaken or just a crap pilot..

 

I'm a real life commercial pilot and I'm crap at sims.

[Freycinet]

Hullo guys! Here is the Non-Official Trailer # 3 to Ilya for the last stretch. It`s my personal gift to him for his years of great service. Cheers!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yOAkay-Lis

 

Very watchable!

[LLv44_Mprhead]

I don't think that fb group would have got them that 1000000, but I am sure it would have been very helpful in reaching some other strech goals. Well, what is done is done. I hope they reach that 150k, so we get 262 and the project is succesfull enough, so they can keep on creating new content.

[tempered]

 It was pretty obvious that the goal of the kickstarter was to reach the initial $100,000.   This gives them market demographics showing that their project will be well received and thus viable.  The stretch goals are there for the sole reason of giving people an incentive to donate after the initial $100,000 is reached. Any thing in the stretch goals are items that they most likely planned as add ons down the road.  The way I see it, DCS wanted to know if a WW2 map was worth doing. In comes Ilya with some WW2 plane models he would like to sell and an idea to get DCS behind him in the venture. Thus the kickstarter was born. Its a win for DCS because they lose nothing but gain insight into their customers wants. For Ilya, it is important that the kickstarter succeeds in its initial goal in order to fund the making of his aircraft.  If the kickstarter was not successful, I doubt that there would have been a WW2 map.

Edited September 28, 2013 by tempered

[DD_bongodriver]

A Facebook page might have got them much more than bargained for, I'm sure some contributors here would have had a field day.

[Dutch]

I'm a real life commercial pilot and I'm crap at sims.

Wow, that's a worry. How are you in Stearmans then? Just wondering, only I'm not sure if Fruitbat was being totally honest with me in the pub in Cambridge.....

[DD_bongodriver]

Wow, that's a worry. How are you in Stearmans then? Just wondering, only I'm not sure if Fruitbat was being totally honest with me in the pub in Cambridge.....

 

I'm fine in a Stearman, it's those bloody sucky blowy jet things I fly that I hate.

[Dutch]

Oh, so Fruitbat was pulling the proverbial when he said he was scared ****less then?

[DD_bongodriver]

Oh, so Fruitbat was pulling the proverbial when he said he was scared ****less then?

 

did he say that?.......he was all big and brave on the day..........mind you there were wafts of a pungent aroma blowing back my way after we did a spin.........

[Dutch]

Funnily enough, I noticed that in the pub too. Maybe it's something personal, such as excessive beans and we should ignore, yes?

Edited September 28, 2013 by Dutch

[DD_bongodriver]

Ewww....

[Dutch]

Hullo guys! Here is the Non-Official Trailer # 3 to Ilya for the last stretch. It`s my personal gift to him for his years of great service. Cheers!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yOAkay-Lis

 

Ahem! This is a very well put together vid Chuck_Owl, thanks for posting.

[LLv44_Mprhead]

A Facebook page might have got them much more than bargained for, I'm sure some contributors here would have had a field day.

Sure there would have been downside also, one has only look at all the crap that was in BoS facebook page earlier to get an idea.

[DD_bongodriver]

Sure there would have been downside also, one has only look at all the crap that was in BoS facebook page earlier to get an idea.

 

Can't say I ever really looked at it even though it's on my like list

[Bearcat]

I agree, but I do believe BoS will be a great sim.

I have returned to RoF after 6 months pause and I love it again. 

 

 

My DCS:P-51 

 

Edit:

 

and those questions... that's your task, gav (the rivet counter).

That's why we need you here.

 

 

 

 

My DCS P-51...

[Mysticpuma]

She is a beauty Bearcat

Currently looking into Checkertail skins with the help of VH-Rock.

 

The only thing that disappoints me with the Redtails is the lack of images available of their aircraft. i mean they were such a large unit in the MTO and barely any aircraft images survive?

I know the 325th has a Photographer for each Squadron (so 317th, 318th and 319th FS)but did the 332nd have no official.Photographer? Where are the images of their aircraft?

 

Love the skin though BC, cheers, MP

[AndyJWest]

If we're posting Pony pics:

 

High

 

Low  

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

Is it just me who feels nothing at all when it comes to the P51? i know all about its history and what it achieved, but purely on a visual level it does nothing for me, even when seen up close in real life compared to a Spitfire or a 109.

 

Watching the real life 190 video posted the other day gave me goosebumps, but the Mustang? nothing.

 

Ive never felt tempted to get the DCS P51, but a DCS Mossie or P47 makes me all giddy inside.

Edited September 29, 2013 by =BKHZ=Furbs

[Rjel]

Is it just me who feels nothing at all when it comes to the P51? i know all about its history and what it achieved, but purely on a visual level it does nothing for me, even when seen up close in real life compared to a Spitfire or a 109.

 

Beauty and the beholder and all that. I like flying the 109 in sims but I never saw it as a sleek looking machine either. On the other hand the P-51 just looks right. To me anyway.

Edited September 29, 2013 by Rjel

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

Funny thing is, i like the P51B,  Weird.