Discussion about DCS:WW2 goes here.

[gavagai]

I don't think they've even collected our KS money yet, have they?  My guess is that we won't see a P-51 flying over the EDGE terrain until late October or November.

[BFsSmurfy]

Alpha access is Feb according to the KS page, what will that involve I wonder, thats where I`ve put my pledge money. P47 over the current DCS world terrain???  Febs not too far off, I can wait and see I`m sure.

[Kaenzdhi]

My guess is that we won't see a P-51 flying over the EDGE terrain until late October or November.

EDGE terrain in October? euuh what year 2014,2015?

[dburne]

 

The rest of the money I would spend on raising it went to my dentist just today, and it was 9 times the amount of my DCS: WWII Europe pledge.

 

Oh crap, dangit that reminds me I have an apt Tuesday to have some work done, crown work and a filling as well. And here I just spent a good deal this week on components for a new pc build I will be doing in the upcoming weeks...

Edited September 26, 2013 by dburnette

[Zak]

Hmmmm, the only agenda I see here is to derail this topic and get it deleted?

Thanks for noticing this, MP.

Gentlemen, since this doesn't seem to go as smooth and conservative as it should be at il2sturmovik.com forum, I'll keep tracking the conversation.

I really don't want to whipe the thread out, so if anyone feels thurst for blood or seeks for a verbal fist fight - use the PMs and be ready for a read-only punishment.

[dburne]

I don't think they've even collected our KS money yet, have they?  My guess is that we won't see a P-51 flying over the EDGE terrain until late October or November.

 

No they have not collected our money yet. They have met the initial KS goal, so unless something happened and some major backers pulled out at the last minute - and I certainly don't see that happening - the project will be funded on Saturday, Oct 4, at 1:20 PM EST. At which time the funds for those of us that pledged, will be moved over to them.

 

Until that time, anyone that has pledged can up or down their pledge as well. I myself upped my initial pledge a couple of weeks ago.

While I may have some concerns, I still supported the venture just like I did BOS by pre-ordering the Premium Edition. To support the genre and developers that are still trying to give us new products. Actually I guess financially I supported RRG more than the cost of the Premium Edition.

 

Anyone can have differing opinions and concerns or not, as long as we express them in a polite respectful way I myself have no problem with either and enjoy reading different opinions. No need to get personal whatsoever. Now while I have supported it, I will say I had some concerns lately that I voiced a little of on a couple of sites,  - in a respectful courteous way I thought - one I got chastised somewhat by another member, the other well my entire post just disappeared, along with another guy's who voiced similar concerns. That one really surprised me. But hey, when in another's house we have to live with what they see fit in their house....

 

I do though still see good times ahead for all of us that enjoy this hobby, and I am very excited about that. I hope they are successful and grow into even greater products and future versions.

Edited September 26, 2013 by dburnette

[dburne]

But isn't the kick starter all about raising the funds to start the work? How can they show something they don't have yet? And once the kick starter period is over you can't contribute.

 

 

I suspect we may see more opportunities to contribute as things progress, perhaps not in the KS fashion but maybe some other ways... just a guess on my part.

[kongxinga]

I may have to bump my KS amount, but I don't know what is attractive. DCS Mustang would be good, but it is on discount already. Two copies is nice, but I don't know any simmers irl. What would you guys suggest?

[SimFreak]

I've upped my amount. We have two sims on horrizon and why not support both?

[gavagai]

 NOt to say that their stuff will be bad, but I dont get how they can use the P-51 as an ad for their work, they didn't build it.  I personally think its kinda shady to use others work in YOUR promotional video.

 

 

Hooves, yoyo is working on the 190 right now, and he is going to make the Spitfire, too.  The ED forums have a link to the KS right at the top of the page.  It seems reasonable to me to show yoyo's past work, especially when the P-51 and 190 are going to be 2 of the aircraft in the release, and when he is going to make other aircraft that will be in the release.

 

DCS WW2: it might be good, and it might be successful.  Deal with it.  The funny thing is that if you visit the ED forums the community is busy scrutinizing and tearing apart every announcement about DCS WW2.  It's a very different crowd than over here.

Edited September 27, 2013 by gavagai

[71st_AH_Hooves]

Hooves, yoyo is working on the 190 right now, and he is going to make the Spitfire, too.  The ED forums have a link to the KS right at the top of the page.  It seems reasonable to me to show yoyo's past work, especially when the P-51 and 190 are going to be 2 of the aircraft in the release, and when he is going to make other aircraft that will be in the release.

 

DCS WW2: it might be good, and it might be successful.  Deal with it.  The funny thing is that if you visit the ED forums the community is busy scrutinizing and tearing apart every announcement about DCS WW2.  It's a very different crowd than over here.

That's cool that he is working on the 190.  But he did not make the P-51 right?  It just strikes me as a bit false to show it like its yours, that's all.  I'm glad there is some people digging into the announcements and perhaps viewing them with a slightly skeptical eye.  As long as all of that is done in a civil manner than that is called constructive criticism.   The same constructive criticism, that should be applied to all new unproven products.  I'm sure you are aware of my feelings towards the new developers based on their past performance, so I don't have to get into that.

 

How ever uncivil garbage posts, and other silly behavior, that just slay the product for no other reason than blind hatred is just flaming, you know, things like changing your in game name to criticize a developer, but I know no one around here does that childish nonsense. 

 

As I said before if its good Ill buy it.

Edited September 27, 2013 by Hooves

[tempered]

I may have to bump my KS amount, but I don't know what is attractive. DCS Mustang would be good, but it is on discount already. Two copies is nice, but I don't know any simmers irl. What would you guys suggest?

 I recently bumped my pledge to $75.  At that point you get a spiral bound aircraft manual of your choice, an air tactics manual, beta access and all of the planes.  I already own the Mustang and love the hell out of it.  If they give me a 2nd mustang, I'll just give it to some random  forum dweller if possible.  Seems like a sweet deal to me.

 

 I've a thing for game manuals, what can I say.  Hope they offer them for sale individually in the future.

[Requiem]

That's cool that he is working on the 190.  But he did not make the P-51 right?  It just strikes me as a bit false to show it like its yours, that's all.  I'm glad there is some people digging into the announcements and perhaps viewing them with a slightly skeptical eye.  As long as all of that is done in a civil manner than that is called constructive criticism.   The same constructive criticism, that should be applied to all new unproven products.  I'm sure you are aware of my feelings towards the new developers based on their past performance, so I don't have to get into that.

 

How ever uncivil garbage posts, and other silly behavior, that just slay the product for no other reason than blind hatred is just flaming, you know, things like changing your in game name to criticize a developer, but I know no one around here does that childish nonsense. 

 

As I said before if its good Ill buy it.

Hooves, I believe Yo-Yo did make the P-51.

[ATAG_Bliss]

No, that's not where they came from at all. Battle of Moscow was the announced second stage to follow up CloD. There was no Battle of Stalingrad.

 

Additionally, those models from Maddox were not that were intended for the BoM. 

 

 

Battle of Moscow was an MMO in the works by Softclub

 

Battle of Stalingrad was the sequel in the works by Ilya / Oleg to Clod.

 

Those models come from Clod/BoS though modified to work within the different graphics engine in the DN engine. 

[Jason_Williams]

Battle of Moscow was an MMO in the works by Softclub

 

Battle of Stalingrad was the sequel in the works by Ilya / Oleg to Clod.

 

Those models come from Clod/BoS though modified to work within the different graphics engine in the DN engine. 

 No sorry this information is incorrect.

 

This entire thread, as I believed in the beginning it would has gone off the rails. Hence why I prohibited discussion previously. Knock off the nonsense or I'll just close it.

 

And this thread on our forum is not to be used as a marketing tool for competing camps to try and demonstrate who's favorite sim is better or to sell units of other company's products through surrogates.

 

Polite discussion is allowed, but if that is impossible then there is no need for the thread. We offer this as a courtesy, don't abuse it. If I feel someone is using this thread to purposely stir the pot I will just ban you.

 

Jason 

[71st_AH_Hooves]

Hooves, I believe Yo-Yo did make the P-51.

Ah rgr that Req. Thanks for clearing that up. Cheers!

[Tektolnes]

The P51-D is indicative of the quality that WW2 will be. Their releases will go through the same quality checks and controls that the P51 did with Yo-Yo giving final sign off. Using a previous sample of work is completely logical as the final output will have to be up there with the P51. Calling it shady is highly churlish to the point of being embarrassing.

[SvAF/F16_Goblin]

I don't understand the animosity and other things going on in the different forums.

Some projects goes wrong for some reasons no matter how good or bad they are.

 

No need to hunt for specific reasons, it's done/gone/finished. Let it be and move on!

 

Enjoy the fact that there are more projects and development of flight sims right now

than ever before and all are very descent projects. I'm buying everything and supports

everything even though I do not have the time to learn or enjoy them enough.

 

Just lean back and watch the future joy unfold and be happy for gods sake. It really

doesn't matter ho develops them or who's involved.

 

Just my 2 cent of opinion mates

Edited September 27, 2013 by 332_HaJa

[MadTommy]

In my humble opinion there is only one thing that matters in a combat flight simulator game... is it fun and enjoyable.

 

And we won't know that for either BoS or DCS: WWII until they are released.  Everything else everyone likes to get all wound up about is just utter bs.  

 

(now what makes it fun & enjoyable for you.. well that is the million dollar question.. but that is a personal valuation.)

Edited September 27, 2013 by MadTommy

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

I think everyone needs a break and a bit of a breather from the topics at hand.

[LLv44_Mprhead]

I think everyone needs a break and a bit of a breather from the topics at hand.

I think I will take your advice for now and come back later to see if this is locked/removed/or (hopefully) back on track.

[FlatSpinMan]

Jason's said it already, most others have reiterated it, there's mainly just a few on either side that seem to enjoy pissy little pointscoring "I said, you said, my game is Xer than your game" arguments.

Just stop it - on all sides or we'll just suspend all the offenders and consider closing the thread. There hasn't been this much trouble here for ages until this thread allowed the opportunity to irritate and bait each other - and that was not the point of opening it. 

Again, I know most members don't do it, so those who do - you won't be missed while you're gone.

[Dutch]

There was never a Battle of Stalingrad.  There was no BoS by them,

 

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?p=437803#post437803

 

Stalingrad.

 

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=32755

Edited September 27, 2013 by Dutch

[SYN_DerHesse70]

Omg it's like Battlefield vs. Call of Duty here!!!

 

What a kindergarten!

 

I like both sim's. But i am not sure what DCS WWII will really bring to us till now.

[[DBS]airdoc]

I don't really get the animosity part here.

I think that we should put aside what happened in the past and focus on the present and future. The future is that we will have two new flight simulators in the next year.

It is not only in the flight sim's community interest to have 2 new products, but in the developer's interest as well. That's because the market for these sims has become smaller. The days of IL2 with 1 million copies sold are gone. I guess dev teams know that a lot better than us.

Right now, it is the flight sim community that forms the core market for any new sim. Since these 2 sims have significant concept differences, I don't think that they could be considered as direct competitors. I 'd think that most will buy all products that are of sufficient quality, as I believe both BOS and DCS WWII will be. All you have to do is take a look at the pre-orders for BOS and kickstarter supporters. I see a lot of people doing both. Personally I have supported DCS WWII, and I will buy BOS. I wouldn't hesitate to give up 60 euros for any new flight sim, provided it's good.

The bigger the financial success of these two sims, the more content and improvements we will see in the future. If one of these sims makes it to a wider audience, and "converts" some people into the flight sim community, then these people are more than likely to buy the other product as well. This will work both ways.

Edited September 27, 2013 by DBSairdoc

[Zmaj76]

From now on I will be strictly on topic so I will ignore everything else. On the entire forum.

 

Ilya gave an interview for rockpapershotgun:

 

Scroll to the title "Eight days and counting"

 

LINK

 

from the interview:

 

RPS: Will hedge-hopping DCS WWII pilots need to worry about vegetation collisions?

Ilya: My long and painful experience with past projects forces me to add a warning here that all features are subject to change and so on and so forth. And, the answer is yes.

Edited September 27, 2013 by Tvrdi

[Mac_Messer]

Hey, I like planes too.

I`d think people would rather have a flyable Me262. AI jets in a WWII sim - not good personal memories. Don`t like AI snipers spoiling my fun of a headon with a B17.

[Bearcat]

Umm - that's where they came from.  It wasn't a direct import, but the models are from "BoS" and "CloD" by MG.   

 

BoM you are referring to was an MMO by SoftClub that had nothing to do with Ilya / Oleg.   BoS was MG's title.

 

 

No, that's not where they came from at all. Battle of Moscow was the announced second stage to follow up CloD. There was no Battle of Stalingrad.

 

Additionally, those models from Maddox were not used that were intended for the BoM. 

 

This is my understanding as well..

On another note some of you guys need to really consider stepping away from the keyboard for a few minutes.. or hours.. Whatever it takes but this current trend has to stop.. and it will one way or another..

 

Jason's said it already, most others have reiterated it, there's mainly just a few on either side that seem to enjoy pissy little pointscoring "I said, you said, my game is Xer than your game" arguments.

Just stop it - on all sides or we'll just suspend all the offenders and consider closing the thread. There hasn't been this much trouble here for ages until this thread allowed the opportunity to irritate and bait each other - and that was not the point of opening it. 

Again, I know most members don't do it, so those who do - you won't be missed while you're gone.

 

^^^^ This thread was shut down once before and there was a groan that went up .. Some of you guys need to remember that this thread is allowed as a courtesy and considering the acrimony that it seems to spark in random waves I sometimes wonder if it is a courtesy that should be rescinded ...  If it goes there there will be no one to blame but a handful of folks in this very thread so everyone just chill out.

[FuriousMeow]

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?p=437803#post437803

 

Stalingrad.

 

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=32755

 

Edit, Find, stalingrad, 0 results.

 

That's the last of this from me.

Edited September 27, 2013 by FuriousMeow

[dburne]

Don't let this thread get locked guys, please.

I really enjoy reading about this project here on this forum, more so than even on the other one.

 

It is great they are allowing this thread here, and also great that ED is allowing a thread over on their site regarding BOS.

[Stig]

I don't really get the animosity part here.

I think that we should put aside what happened in the past and focus on the present and future. The future is that we will have two new flight simulators in the next year.

It is not only in the flight sim's community interest to have 2 new products, but in the developer's interest as well. That's because the market for these sims has become smaller. The days of IL2 with 1 million copies sold are gone. I guess dev teams know that a lot better than us.

Right now, it is the flight sim community that forms the core market for any new sim. Since these 2 sims have significant concept differences, I don't think that they could be considered as direct competitors. I 'd think that most will buy all products that are of sufficient quality, as I believe both BOS and DCS WWII will be. All you have to do is take a look at the pre-orders for BOS and kickstarter supporters. I see a lot of people doing both. Personally I have supported DCS WWII, and I will buy BOS. I wouldn't hesitate to give up 60 euros for any new flight sim, provided it's good.

The bigger the financial success of these two sims, the more content and improvements we will see in the future. If one of these sims makes it to a wider audience, and "converts" some people into the flight sim community, then these people are more than likely to buy the other product as well. This will work both ways.

 

+1 Simple and precise.

[Wolger]

Think gonna chip in 40 bucks...man DCS P-51D, kinda crazy just starting up my P-51D giving me a sense of great accomplishment    . I don't think BoS will go to that level of detail huh.

[DD_bongodriver]

 I don't think BoS will go to that level of detail huh.

 

No it won't and they have been clear on that, but at least it is going to be similar to the original IL2 which should keep it at the fun level and still outside of the ridiculously arcade.

 

yeah the though of finally actually getting a decent set of WWII aircraft in DCS is knee tremblingly exciting, I'm just going to sit in the P-47 pit and marvel for ages before I even try to fly anything.

[DD_bongodriver]

New KS update, nothing pretty to look at but Ilya's narrative is very interesting and encouraging

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYy5MgFd7ME

[6./ZG26_Emil]

That actually is a really good update

[Bearcat]

 No sorry this information is incorrect.

 

This entire thread, as I believed in the beginning it would has gone off the rails. Hence why I prohibited discussion previously. Knock off the nonsense or I'll just close it.

 

And this thread on our forum is not to be used as a marketing tool for competing camps to try and demonstrate who's favorite sim is better or to sell units of other company's products through surrogates.

 

Polite discussion is allowed, but if that is impossible then there is no need for the thread. We offer this as a courtesy, don't abuse it. If I feel someone is using this thread to purposely stir the pot I will just ban you.

 

Jason 

 

 

LOL.. I never even saw this post of yours ... I must have missed half the page.

[TheBlackPenguin]

It was a good update from Ilya, we're a tiny genre and need to attract back the old players and the new. I wasn't too interested in how the tutorial was going to work, but after that video I will be now.

[6./ZG26_Emil]

Tutorial? What's that then?

[kestrel79]

Great video. The training missions are for me the most fun part of DCS when I don't have a lot of time. When you first start that engine up I feel really cool. Really looking forward to see what they are going to do to expand on this.

 

I remember first firing up lockon and doing an A-10 training mission at night. It was about navigation at night in a canyon and just using your gauges. I remember it being really hard, I was coming from IL2 and thought Lockon with the newer aircraft would be too steep of a learning curve. I was sweating pretty good and then I saw it. The runway in the distance all lit up and flashing and night in the middle of the black. It was so cool when I touched down and landed. No shooting required and it was so much fun. Training missions are fun there needs to be more of that I agree.

[LLv44_Mprhead]

One thing that is needed is to get larger audience aware of both BoS and DCS WWII. I have rather many irl friends who were flying IL-2 back in the day, and still hold interest in flight sims, who had not heard anything about these projects before I told them. I mean there are people who are interested about these things, but just not overly so. And those are the people whose attention we need to get, casual simmers.