Discussion about DCS:WW2 goes here.

[Dutch]

You keep mentioning the "Furbs, Tree, Falstaff" nonsense in every post you make in this thread (three times now). You do realize that's part of his signature, right? And, consequently, has nothing to do with this thread in particular. Seriously, stop it. It's obnoxious and has nothing to do with what Furbs is saying.

Steady on old chap, don't blow a gasket or anything serious. I'm sure my old mate Furbs is more than capable of speaking for himself.

[JG27_Chivas]

Really don't see them reaching any of the stretch goals, but I hope they will work on making those expansions anyway after initial release. It would be awesome to get to play scenario with B-17s doing a bombing run with p-51s and p-47s escorts and Fw-190 and Bf-109 intercepting.

That's still their long range plan.  The Stretch Goals just would have made it happen quicker, by using those money's to hire more people now, instead of a year or so from now if the demo is successful.

[DD_bongodriver]

yes nice point, just look at forum numbers here on BoS when its time of live stream,  around 170 on this forum and around 380 on russian forum people at same time, every live strem they increase largest amount of people at same time number

 

Has it literally come down to measuring members?

[Mac_Messer]

That's funny

Wel l yes it is.

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

Eh? what? my ears are burning.

[Stig]

But anyway, I've been watching this thread and the Kickstarter as a whole for a while now. Some people need to get off their high horse and stop acting so holier-than-thou for contributing to the Kickstarter. It's incredibly tacky to flaunt what you do with YOUR money, and expect others to follow suit for something you're trying to further via financial means. Especially when the project has such dubious mangers at the helm...

 

Lastly, people need to check their emotions at the door here. Just because some are openly doubting Luthier's ability to develop this sim, doesn't mean they're saying he's an awful person or anything. In a business such as this, your reputation is based on your past successes or failures, and there's nothing wrong with that. After all, business is business.

 

Okay, so you're a doubter, but you're also a flightsim fan, why not put a 1 dollar pledge in the KS. What have you got to lose? After all, when (alight, if) DCS. WWII is released you'll be downloading it anyway to try it out. You don't have to pledge for Ilya's sake, you can even say you're supporting it inspite of Ilya's involvement, but you'll be supporting the flightsim community as a whole. 

[GP*]

Absolutely agree, may as well adorn yourself with a massive gold plaque saying........oh wait......

Hah! Best part of this thread so far

Okay, so you're a doubter, but you're also a flightsim fan, why not put a 1 dollar pledge in the KS. What have you got to lose? After all, when (alight, if) DCS. WWII is released you'll be downloading it anyway to try it out. You don't have to pledge for Ilya's sake, you can even say you're supporting it inspite of Ilya's involvement, but you'll be supporting the flightsim community as a whole.

 

Sounds like I'd have a dollar to lose . (If it reaches 100k and then falls through, of course)

 

What you said is a much better argument than what I've seen so far in this thread. I'm still hesitant, but this is a good way to look at contributing to the KS.

[Dutch]

Eh? what? my ears are burning.

I've told you before, don't play with matches after applying after shave. It's unwise....

[Stig]

Hah! Best part of this thread so far

 

Sounds like I'd have a dollar to lose . (If it reaches 100k and then falls through, of course)

 

What you said is a much better argument than what I've seen so far in this thread. I'm still hesitant, but this is a good way to look at contributing to the KS.

If you lose the dollar, I'll by you a beer. I'll just have to find some way of uploading it  .

[DD_bongodriver]

I've told you before, don't play with matches after applying after shave. It's unwise....

 

someone phoned him while he was ironing.

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

someone phoned him while he was ironing.

 

 

Im not allowed to use the phone until after ive done the ironing....washing....mopping the floor...etc...etc.

[DD_bongodriver]

Im not allowed to use the phone until after ive done the ironing....washing....mopping the floor...etc...etc.

 

OMG......it has all become clear now.....the fairy tree mother

[ram0506]

New update of the kickstarter project. A flyable Me262 for 150.000!

[tempered]

Looks like they will definately make the $100,000 mark. Who knows, maybe they can get to $150,000.  Kickstarters usually have a large flurry of donations towards the end. Personally, I would have rather had any other plane than the ME262. Jets against props is just poor sportsmanship.

[dburne]

 Personally, I would have rather had any other plane than the ME262. Jets against props is just poor sportsmanship.

 

I am with you on that one, no interest whatsoever in a ME262.

[DD_bongodriver]

Me 262 pffft!!.....another score for the Mcsimulator and large fries crowd

[Tektolnes]

Doubt we'll see it much in MP - would think most servers wouldn't include it in mission sets. Would be fun to fly it in a SP campaign.

[Revvin]

From a multi-player point of view ifs not a good choice but I'd be interested in a single player Me 262 campaign. It would be intriguing to see an early jet modelled to DCS standard.

Edited September 22, 2013 by Revvin

[Mac_Messer]

Finally all the speculation about doing lesser models in DCS has been dealt with. Now there`s even a chance to hit the 150000 mark. Smart move.A me262 is both doable and more interesting for the additional 50000$ than the unreachable B17. I was hoping we`d shift the plan into the Typhoon instead but it is not AI so the Schwalbe is an obvious choice.

[AndyJWest]

How is a plane that never got within 800 km of Normandy an 'obvious choice'?

[Tektolnes]

It's an extra flyable that can be done for the $50k. People like extra free flyables so it makes sense from that point of view. We're getting the FW190 in BOS and that was nowhere near Stalingrad. Life will go anyway in both games.

[Bearcat]

And it is so easy to generate more traffic at their WWII forum: More interaction by the Dev team, regular updates (even a few very early WIP pre-alpha screenshots will be appreciated) and for God's sake make the updates easy to find on the site. Now the updates #1 to #4 are well hidden in the forum. So for a curious newcomer there ain't much to see and they won't turn back the next time.

 

Ya know...

 

As for the other AC.. the 262 is Meh (for me..) .. but it will be interesting to see it modeled in DCS.. I wonder is we will see different variants of AC in DCSWWII.. I also wonder about the P-51B/C. The model is already in the DCS model viewer.. I would love to see Korea done under the DCS model though.. and IMO that is where they should go next.. I don't think they will do a full blown WWII sim ... I also don't think we will ever see anything on the level; of IL2 again as far as theater and plane set in one sim but if that was to be done I think it is more likely to happen in the IL2:BoS series..

[TheBlackPenguin]

There wasn't much else they could do to place something at the 150K stretch goal mark, the 262 was really the best option available as they have the intent to have it modelled anyway.

Edited September 23, 2013 by TheBlackPenguin

[Bearcat]

Updates for this are to be found on the KS site.. not DCS.. but it would be nice of some of the screenshots they post there were at a higher resolution because as they are you really can't tell much of anything..

[Dutch]

Im not allowed to use the phone until after ive done the ironing....washing....mopping the floor...etc...etc.

Married then, eh Furbsy? Know the feeling well......

[Skoshi_Tiger]

 Jets against props is just poor sportsmanship.

 

It really depends on how well they are modeled.

 

Great top speed and firepower but fragile engines, poor accelleration, helpless on takeoffs and landings. 

 

I think it would be a very difficult plane to master.

 

But if it sparks the interest of the DCS Jet crowd and draws in more potential customers then that is a good thing.

Edited September 23, 2013 by Skoshi_Tiger

[Revvin]

How is a plane that never got within 800 km of Normandy an 'obvious choice'?

Because as they said in the update they are already working on the Me 262 as an AI unit so they have done some work on it already and therefore the extra 50k would pay to complete it as a flyable aircraft.

[JG27_Chivas]

I agree, I don't have any interest in the  262, but it could spark some of the DCS jet crowd to make a donation.   Its possible that Luthier could do a Korean War sim, as he and RRG were in the process of creating a Korean war sim based on the COD game engine, but were enlisted by IC to help Oleg finish COD.  That said,  I have little interest in the Korean war, and assume that Luthier will carry on making WW2 content as he has already suggested, if the initial release is successful.

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

I dont think there is a chance of reaching the 275K for the map, but were still getting the English coast for take offs and landings though right?

 

Again, no interest in ME262 but understand why its the first goal, would of much rather had the Typhoon or a Tempest though.

[DD_bongodriver]

It really depends on how well they are modeled.

 

Great top speed and firepower but fragile engines, poor accelleration, helpless on takeoffs and landings. 

 

I think it would be a very difficult plane to master.

 

But if it sparks the interest of the DCS Jet crowd and draws in more potential customers then that is a good thing.

 

Have to admit maybe my initial fears of the 262 darkening the sky in multilayer may be unfounded, if accurately modelled then many of the pilots hoping to rule the skies will get a shock........ironic but without the B-17 then the 262 has no purpose.

[Tektolnes]

The B-17 will be there as a non flyable.

 

Mission designers will have to handle how the 262 appears in mp games. Despite it's challenges and faults when flown right it would wipe the floor with everything else. Think we'll mostly see props only missions.

[LLv44_Mprhead]

From a multi-player point of view ifs not a good choice but I'd be interested in a single player Me 262 campaign. It would be intriguing to see an early jet modelled to DCS standard.

I agree. Any other planned plane would have been more interesting from MP point of view, but on the other hand SP campaing with Me 262 could be very interesting. And anyway, getting one more plane (maybe) done now instead of later is good.

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

I think its more a novelty plane, something different and since the model is being worked on already i can see why its going in there, even if not historical to the theatre.

 

It does seem a odd initial plane to be modelled though knowing the map.

[DD_bongodriver]

in this case 'flown right' means BnZ strictly as TnB would be fatal for the 262, yes the B-17 is AI only and that will be the staple diet for the 262 jocks.

 

Yes it's a novelty plane like the 190 is for BoS I guess.

[Mac_Messer]

Have to admit maybe my initial fears of the 262 darkening the sky in multilayer may be unfounded, if accurately modelled then many of the pilots hoping to rule the skies will get a shock........ironic but without the B-17 then the 262 has no purpose.

I expect the Me262 to arrive with most if not all the problems Jumo jet engines had. Even in IL2 it was more of an experienced pilot`s aircraft since it required precise engine management and tactical discipline.

Edited September 23, 2013 by Mac_Messer

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

The 262 does bring back memories of my most "thoughtful" kill i ever achieved.

 

Back in EAW, flying a 262 i intercepted a box of B17s with no escort in sight, it took a bit of time to set up a head on attack, so i had plenty of time to watch the bombers as i overtook them on flank just out of gunner range. I pulled out about 2 miles then turned back, i picked out the lead bomber and bore straight in, the closing speed was very very fast and i only had time for a quick 1 second burst with out having time to notice any hits before i dipped just below the lead B17 and went straight through the box in a blur of bombers and tracers.

 

As soon as i was clear i climbed and turned to set up another head on attack, as i climbed, i was watching the bombers and trying to pick out the lead B17 that i attacked, there he was flying along as if nothing had happened, dam i must of missed!

Then a few seconds later as i was still watching him, i noticed that he was banking slightly and losing speed, no fire and no smoke,  the bank increased and he dropped back out of the box of bombers, then fascinated, i watched as he rolled over on his back out of control and fell from the sky, i stopped my set up run and turned and dropped down towards the stricken bomber carrying 10 men, i watched in almost horror as the B17 fell like a brick, spinning all the way down, i found myself willing the crew to escape and then a few moments later i noticed a dot fall away from the B17 and blossom into a chute, that's 1 i said, i looked back to the still falling B17 and followed it down all the way to ground, but no more chutes, no more crew got out before it smashed into the fields just outside Berlin.

 

I didn't go back after the other bombers, i was too busy thinking about that B17 and that lonely guy in the chute, i must of killed the pilots in the head on attack and it slowly lost control, the g forces in the spin preventing the crew from escaping apart from that one guy.

It got me thinking about how it must of felt to have done that for real, it was a sobering thought.

 

I flew back to base, landed and turned off the PC.

Edited September 23, 2013 by =BKHZ=Furbs

[Mastermariner]

Now 99820! Ten...nine...eight..seven....six...five...four..three....two....ONE...!

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Master

[Tektolnes]

in this case 'flown right' means BnZ strictly as TnB would be fatal for the 262, yes the B-17 is AI only and that will be the staple diet for the 262 jocks.

 

Yep you're right about BnZ. Though TnB also works pretty well for the 262 as well once it's a fast TnB. The design + jet engine gives it good energy retention in the turn. But low speed TnB would be a pretty dumb move to make. Though some just won't be able to help themselves no doubt just like in CloD when some genius E4/N pilot decides to get into a turn match with a Hurri.

[Goanna1]

Kicked in $75

(given up the cigs so xtra cash)

 

Its worth giving these blokes a shot at providing us with another good and hopefully 'Great' Flight Simulator.

 

I've Bet more than that on the G-Gs!  (and I only bet on the Melbourne cup carnival- 1 week and very small Bets too!).

Needless to say lost most of that,

but I do it for the Fun and that's what these games are to me.

 

So all in all I figure its worth supporting these guys and them it's up to them to give us the GOODS Just my take on the whole thing

 

some people take things too seriously here-- or is it just a forum where they can 'bleat on' and get some response

.

I know that at home if I carried on like some of the stuff I've read over the past many years i would have been told to 'Pull my Head In and Get Real'

 Another thing is that this is our enjoyment not a chore to be bad-mouthed about!!

They got it!! 

 

1,409

Backers

 

$100,057

pledged of $100,000 goal

 

12

days to go

[Skoshi_Tiger]

Way to go guys! Congratulations!

 

Now comes the hard part! Trying to meet the first stretch goal!

 

If anyone's into WWII Jets then now's the time to pledge!