How do you deal with fire in the HE111?

[jadebullet]

Just wondering what the procedure to deal with a fire in an HE111 is. I would assume that with an engine fire, you would cut that engine out and shut off the fuel pump, but I don't know if that would do anything in this game(and sometimes I am sure it wouldn't in real life) but I have no idea how to deal with one in the wing or fuselage. I tried the ROF technique of cutting throttle and diving, but that didn't put it out. Is my only resort to gain altitude and bail out? I am sure that that is the realistic way to deal with a fire in the wing structure since I think that is where the fuel tanks are, but I am not sure about a fuselage or engine fire, since you can do things to try and mitigate it in real life. (Cutting fuel and extinguishers, which I admit, I don't know if HE111 crews had.) 

[39bn_pavig]

Emergency landing beats bailing if you can manage it.

[Felix58]

prepare to bail out!

 

Generally, the plane fires in BOS are of the catastrophic type.  IRL they would burn the wing off pretty quick.  We are not talking about a minor engine malfunction.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 Fire needs 3 components: oxygen, heat and a burning substance. Remove one of them and fire is put out. So say you get hit in the engine, a fuel line ruptures and fire starts. Cut the fuel flow thus removing the burning substance IF the fire has not developed too much igniting other things near the source. Quite a few bombers limped home when being able to put out the fire with different tehcniques from diving to fire extinguishers. In game: if fire then jump

[=SqSq=Sulaco]

All of that being said, I did find that while flying an HE-111 (unless my memory is tinted with rose coloured glasses and I'm making this up) that if your engine is damaged to the point of pouring thick black smoke (no fire) you can shut that engine down expelling the smoke while still flying on engine 2, reducing the chances of that engine bursting into flames.

[Finkeren]

prepare to bail out!

 

Generally, the plane fires in BOS are of the catastrophic type. IRL they would burn the wing off pretty quick. We are not talking about a minor engine malfunction.

Not just IRL. The wings often fall off after a short period of fire in BoS as well.

[D3vil]

S!

 

 Fire needs 3 components: oxygen, heat and a burning substance. Remove one of them and fire is put out. So say you get hit in the engine, a fuel line ruptures and fire starts. Cut the fuel flow thus removing the burning substance IF the fire has not developed too much igniting other things near the source. Quite a few bombers limped home when being able to put out the fire with different tehcniques from diving to fire extinguishers. In game: if fire then jump

 

 

 

I remember reading about the big bombers, fortresses and Lancasters, diving to put out fires. That must have taken balls, big big balls.

Edited October 24, 2014 by D3vil

[Finkeren]

I remember reading about the big bombers, fortresses and Lancasters, diving to put out fires. That must have taken balls, big big balls.

That's mostly engine fires caused by a leaking fuel line, as written above cutting the fuel supply to that engine and diving to remove the source of the heat (blowing away the already burning fuel vapor) is a fairly surefire way of putting out the fire, especially if the engine's air cooled.

 

A punctured and inginited fuel tank, which is what most fires we see in BoS are caused by, will be much harder to put out. In fact you can put out the (rarer) engine fires by diving in BoS.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

S!

 

 Fire needs 3 components: oxygen, heat and a burning substance. Remove one of them and fire is put out. (...)

I've somewhere heard that

 

Point is that stream of air could extinguish fire, so often tactics for those set afire was to drop the bombs and go into dive. Risky, because bombers are not designed to make steep dives but ... well, its last hope.  Also many planes at that time started receiving fire extinguishers, cant speak about German ones since I am specialist of Japanese warbirds. 

[[TWB]80hd]

If you're flying the He-111 online, a friend of mine gave me this one pretty good tip:

 

Press LeftAlt+1 to tell your gunners to fire at will.  Then press LeftAlt+9 to tell them to fire at long range.

This way, when you hear them start shooting, you know that your flight will be over in a few seconds.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 Off topic, but seriously 80hd. That hair

[[TWB]80hd]

S!

 

 Off topic, but seriously 80hd. That hair

 

Dude, they don't call me panty melter for nothing.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 I do not miss the 80's or 90's :D Just do not say you had Levi's pulled up above hip with a belt and big buckle and white tennis socks in walking shoes, brown of course  Vanilla Ice hair with a mullet. Priceless. Hardcore.

Edited October 24, 2014 by LLv34_Flanker

[6high]

S!

 

 I do not miss the 80's or 90's :D Just do not say you had Levi's pulled up above hip with a belt and big buckle and white tennis socks in walking shoes, brown of course  Vanilla Ice hair with a mullet. Priceless. Hardcore.

My god i had forgotten about those things. How dare you.

[Georgio]

I've somewhere heard that

 

Point is that stream of air could extinguish fire, so often tactics for those set afire was to drop the bombs and go into dive. Risky, because bombers are not designed to make steep dives but ... well, its last hope.  Also many planes at that time started receiving fire extinguishers, cant speak about German ones since I am specialist of Japanese warbirds.

 

Lol, in that case you are well versed on how well most Japanese types were prone to burst into flame.... :D

[Descolada]

ctrl+e

[[TWB]dillon_biz]

If you're flying the He-111 online, a friend of mine gave me this one pretty good tip:

 

Press LeftAlt+1 to tell your gunners to fire at will.  Then press LeftAlt+9 to tell them to fire at long range.

This way, when you hear them start shooting, you know that your flight will be over in a few seconds.

 

Edited October 24, 2014 by [TWB]dillon_biz

[III/JG2Gustav05]

Does the He111 have extinguisher in real life? This bird is extremely easy to burn.

[-TBC-AeroAce]

Diving will put out the fire. But I do wish we had more flexibility over sub systems such as fuel cut off and cross feed. The later is more important IMO as if you had a wing fuel leak you could stop the aircraft from completely running dry

[Steambat]

Or try this!

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Allen_Ward

[-TBC-AeroAce]

What a brave dumb ass lol. Much respect!!!!

[Jade_Monkey]

If you're flying the He-111 online, a friend of mine gave me this one pretty good tip:

 

Press LeftAlt+1 to tell your gunners to fire at will. Then press LeftAlt+9 to tell them to fire at long range.

This way, when you hear them start shooting, you know that your flight will be over in a few seconds.

I have those two commands bound to a single switch on the saitek software.

 

It's a must if you are flying with a rear gunner. The closest thing to a radar

[III/JG2Gustav05]

Another thing I found that the He111 AI gunner's firing is not so accurarte. in most cases I need to control the machine gun by myself.

[Potenz]

would be great to be able to control the fuel pumps to cut a damaged engine also

some plane has a pump to move fuel from one tank to the oder.

[Finkeren]

would be great to be able to control the fuel pumps to cut a damaged engine also

some plane has a pump to move fuel from one tank to the oder.

 

Fuel pump control is high on my wishlist for future features. It's already modelled (you can actually see the fuel pump switching back and forth and the fuel gauge change accordingly on planes with wing tanks) so it should not be too hard to do and would be a great lead-in to full manual startup procedure (which I'm still convinced the devs would want to do at some point in the future)