1CGS LukeFF Posted October 24, 2014 1CGS Posted October 24, 2014 The poll about unlocks was just a play for the scene, they dont listen to the audience annyway. Did you really expect significant changes to be made in the time between when the poll was posted and the release of the game? Give them a chance to evaluate where they want to go from here. And as for saying they don't listen to us, that's a load of nonsense. 2
III/JG11_Tiger Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 That is very true, but scores of one or less are a sure sign of sour grapes rather than an honest appraisal, don't you think. The irony is that at the other end of the spectrum some people might feel compelled to give it a higher score, not because they feel it is worth it but just to offset overly negative reviews. I will, if I am honest, be an example of this. If I was to give it an honest score it would probably rate somewhere between 7 and 8. It's not perfect but flight sims develop over time so I full expect it to improve with age, I will however bump my score up to 8 or 9 though just to offset the overly negative, sour grape, reviews Its much like using trip advisor or any other ratings sites, you have to look at the the lopw scoreres complaint and see if it is valid, usually you find the low ratings are because the person is either very hard to satisfy or has had some personal experience that has encouraged them to set a very low score, but of course the very high scores should also be looked at closely, the overall rating is usually the closest to being correct, IMO.
MarcoRossolini Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 The problem IMO with Metacritic is that when a game is taken against other games, the requirements to be a good game are too high. Any game at 8 or below simply isn't worth the code its written in, if you were to go by metacritic. A game that is rated like BoS is currently appears to the outside world like its rubbish, even though it got a score of say 7 (like its getting currently). I think this is something we all have to keep in mind when rating the game.
3instein Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 Did you really expect significant changes to be made in the time between when the poll was posted and the release of the game? Give them a chance to evaluate where they want to go from here. And as for saying they don't listen to us, that's a load of nonsense. What about the seemingly simple changes/ideas suggested from day one that never got a look in? Obviously in the last few months of development you wouldn't expect major changes but at the start they could'ave, should'ave but didn't. If they didn't listen to very decent suggestions at the very start, then what is "give them a chance" going to achieve? Mick.
Vaxxtx Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 Skins, Dserver and FMB are coming. Give the developers a break. Hasn't anyone noticed them pumping out patches at midnight or beyond over the last couple of weeks? Sheesh. Really? When? You got an exact date on that? As of right now, the game is launched, its been released, its retail. The FMB and Dserver are not in my version. As of this moment whats in the game is in the game, what isnt...well isnt. If the developers wanted those things in the game to be reviewed, then they should have thought about it before saying, its done. Anything reviewed now is fair. The devs have completed their vision for the release of their game. So, because people are not happy with the final product and missing key features that they are used to with every other sim, there will be some negatives. Thats on the devs, not on the people making the review.
6./ZG26_Gielow Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 Dark Souls 2 is number one on that list. I think DS2 is not as good as DS1 (A real classic uber perfect game). This score system only shows game popularity not quality.
Feathered_IV Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 Judging a game by the scores from Metacritic's population of zit pickers, kiddy fiddlers and closet nazis is like gauging a racial minority's right to exist based solely on youtube comments. 7
II/JG17_HerrMurf Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 What about the seemingly simple changes/ideas suggested from day one that never got a look in? Obviously in the last few months of development you wouldn't expect major changes but at the start they could'ave, should'ave but didn't. If they didn't listen to very decent suggestions at the very start, then what is "give them a chance" going to achieve? Mick. It's called feature creep and it basically destroyed the last WWII flight sim with the Il2 name on it. These developers had a vision and stuck to it, for better or worse. I think we will see the amendment or elimination of several controversial elements in the future along with the promised features. Give it a little time. FMB and DSERV is coming. Unlocks...................dunno. Many player suggestions made it into the game. Even one of mine FTR. 2
BlitzPig_Bill_Kelso Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 Axe to grind? more like %100 justifiable complaint, the dev's already knew that a lot of the community was against unlocks but they went ahead with their plan anyways, fair enough this is a business after all but what is really illogical is they put time and resources into a mickey mouse unlock system ahead of maybe the most important item to both on and off line players....the FMB! the FMB would give all players the opportunity to build and or play other people's mini-campaigns, CO-OP's or DF scenarios or just get their feet wet with the new tool. the true list of prioritizes should have been FMB,Dserver, Skins (<<<these 2 interchangeable according to whether you are on or off line) then the unlocks, speaking of Skins it appears that you can unlock different skins for the same plane....which means there are in fact Templates..... why not give us at least one at time of release?... the Dserver is really only important to the MP crowd but the SP crowd also benefits from it as well because a lot of campaigns and CO-op's that are made for on-line can also be flown off line which adds more content making the game that much more attractive and adds depth along with another positive selling point. 777 has no bigger development team or sales force then it does with its customers, every skin made becomes a screen shot posted here there and everywhere. Online wars, dog fight servers, campaigns all at some point wind up as a youtube video... I have watched a 30 minute movie 3 times in 2 days...it was made using another flight sim but is so well done that my BF4 friend started telling me how much he loves ww2 in general...he does not like flight sims but this has peaked his interest. The screen shots the videos and the enthusiasm of an immersed community are walking talking visual points of sale waiting to happen. I give it a 5, I have enjoyed what I have seen so far but I took 2 away for no FMB 2 away for no Dserver and 1 for skins, IMHO they really put the cart before the horse by not focusing on the FMB over the unlock system. So you knocked 4 points off for no FMD or Dserver? Odd considering that the Devs have made it clear that they are working on releasing these after the Gold launch. What you meant to say in your terrible review is that even though the Dev's communicated to you that they are working on those options to be released you are telling people that they did not release it with those options. This would give a person reading that terrible review the impression that A: The Dev's are NOT going to release these options or B: T^hey have not communicated that they will. Both are not true and neither is your review. Just because you are impatient for the release of the FMB is not 777 fault and it was most unfair and undeserving of you to rate that against them. I can only assume based on your actions that you are an unreasonable person. 1
BlitzPig_Bill_Kelso Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 Really? When? You got an exact date on that? As of right now, the game is launched, its been released, its retail. The FMB and Dserver are not in my version. As of this moment whats in the game is in the game, what isnt...well isnt. If the developers wanted those things in the game to be reviewed, then they should have thought about it before saying, its done. Anything reviewed now is fair. The devs have completed their vision for the release of their game. So, because people are not happy with the final product and missing key features that they are used to with every other sim, there will be some negatives. Thats on the devs, not on the people making the review. Actually no, it's on you as the Dev's have communicated that these features are indeed coming. Just because you are impatient is not the Dev's fault. You are using straw man arguments and splitting hairs. You are either disingenuous or obtuse. 2
FuriousMeow Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) The emotional maturity of some in the air combat "community" is amazing. It's a genre that has the most demanding individuals. It's a genre that expects everything but gives little. It's a genre that will be left to hacking borked up titles previously released or the shooter/air combat mixup that is War Thunder because eventually no devs will bother with it due to the low income and some of the fanbase. It's a genre that brings in little monies for the developers and yet the deal with more crap from the end users than million dollar titles. If there was a snapshot of the Gamergate stupidity, and the emotional stunted nonsense from some here with regards to this title - it would match up pretty evenly. Inane, childish outburts that belong in a kindergarten room rather than amongst individuals that claim to be grown men - leaving out women because the few here that are willing to state they are women are very much absent from the infantile bickering/refund demanding/small man syndrome nonsense - and quite simply a very stunted emotional maturity displayed by a very vocal and very select few individuals. It is disgusting, and it is pathetic. Most demanding refunds have had this game for almost a year, maybe 6 months, and yet no software return policy would allow that. If there was any uncertainty, any questionable doubt, don't buy it. I just now purchased Interstellar Marines, something I followed for 6 years - and it finally became something I wanted and so I paid for it. If, in two months or a year - or three, it doesn't meet every single item they set forth I will not be demanding a refund, I will not have childish outburts on a forum, I will not be doing anything some very vocal individuals here are doing. I will do something so outrageous it will boggle the minds of every sane person out there, I will stop playing it and I will find something else to do - and that is what some of you just need to do because obviously computer games are just too much for you to handle. Some of you act like this:(Language!!!!) http://youtu.be/omg7gnz1uhg?t=10s That is Francis, and he is doing that as a parody/joke - and yet it fits perfectly here. Edited October 24, 2014 by FuriousMeow 15
bzc3lk Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 The emotional maturity of some in the air combat "community" is amazing. It's a genre that has the most demanding individuals. It's a genre that expects everything but gives little. It's a genre that will be left to hacking borked up titles previously released or the shooter/air combat mixup that is War Thunder because eventually no devs will bother with it due to the low income and some of the fanbase. It's a genre that brings in little monies for the developers and yet the deal with more crap from the end users than million dollar titles. If there was a snapshot of the Gamergate stupidity, and the emotional stunted nonsense from some here with regards to this title - it would match up pretty evenly. Inane, childish outburts that belong in a kindergarten room rather than amongst individuals that claim to be grown men - leaving out women because the few here that are willing to state they are women are very much absent from the infantile bickering/refund demanding/small man syndrome nonsense - and quite simply a very stunted emotional maturity displayed by a very vocal and very select few individuals. It is disgusting, and it is pathetic. Most demanding refunds have had this game for almost a year, maybe 6 months, and yet no software return policy would allow that. If there was any uncertainty, any questionable doubt, don't buy it. I just now purchased Interstellar Marines, something I followed for 6 years - and it finally became something I wanted and so I paid for it. If, in two months or a year - or three, it doesn't meet every single item they set forth I will not be demanding a refund, I will not have childish outburts on a forum, I will not be doing anything some very vocal individuals here are doing. I will do something so outrageous it will boggle the minds of every sane person out there, I will stop playing it and I will find something else to do - and that is what some of you just need to do because obviously computer games are just too much for you to handle. Couldn't agree more!
JG4_Sputnik Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 Wanted to give the game a 7.5 but since thats not possible on metacritic I gave it an 8 instead of a 7 because I sincerely believe the devs wanted to make a good flight sim and worked hard for the last years, including a good comunication to us fans (which doesn't mean I always liked what I heard, and I still wait for them to release the FM data to finaly end the FM debate). But overall a good quality product which doesn't satysfie all my needs, and alas, that's mostly how it is in life. Good start, solid foundation, time to improove on it.
pilotpierre Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 Couldn't agree more! Et mois. Well said/written Furious. Some comments on this forum leave me flabbergasted.
Felix58 Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 Judging a game by the scores from Metacritic's population of zit pickers, kiddy fiddlers and closet nazis is like gauging a racial minority's right to exist based solely on youtube comments. LOL! Pretty close to the mark. I put my two bobs worth into Mcritic for what it is worth and gave an honest appraisal - quite positive. Must admit I would not go to mcritic to get a punters review of a game but there must be some I guess. Surely any WW2 aviation enthusiast would understand that il2 BOS has to succeed commercially for the next title to get on the drawing board (surely that is a goal we all are hoping for). The short-sighted petulant behaviour of a loud minority is beyond my comprehension. If you don't like the game, play something else, why go on a crusade about it? I'm guessing this is not the end of development of BOS by the devs (always a patch or two follows). Anyway, well done on a very nice piece of work and on the conduct of the beta program.
SYN_Per Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 Some people move on, others are just stuck in their own hell of retrospect. 2
LLv34_Flanker Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) S! Use of common sense and thinking with own brains is these days a rarity. Filter the information from the reviews and you will get a statistic or whatever and can note singular issues and how much it is an issue compared to others. For BoS it could have a list of most positives and most negatives. I still bet the positives outweigh the negatives and devs could take a look on the hardest hitting negatives and see what can be done about them. This will add more to the positive side and in time lessen the negative flow. The game is good but has issues that need to be tackled. Edited October 24, 2014 by LLv34_Flanker 1
Matt Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) Did you really expect significant changes to be made in the time between when the poll was posted and the release of the game? Give them a chance to evaluate where they want to go from here. I don't think anyone expected a change in a week, but we got an official response to that and it was, that they will stick with their current solution. So they either have evaluated already or the answer was too hasty. Both doesn't help the situation. I think most of the negative reviews definately mention points which also annoy people who are giving BoS good reviews (including those that give it a perfect "10" rating for some reason). I would currently give it a 7.5. But i don't plan to register there and rate it, especially not until we get some sort of road map and still missing features like FMB and skinviewer/templates and custom graphic settings (the current solution is not acceptable to me, no matter how hard people try to defend it). Edited October 24, 2014 by Matt 1
SR-F_Winger Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) Review written. The one and only true successor to the original IL2 series! EDIT: I compare it with other sims in that state (immediate after relase). And for that it DESERVES a 10! I had so much of a blast yesterday in MP. I really hope hte wait until preorder of the next theater/content isnt too long. Edited October 24, 2014 by VSG1_Winger
Brano Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 The short-sighted petulant behaviour of a loud minority is beyond my comprehension. If you don't like the game, play something else, why go on a crusade about it? Answer is easy.They still fight the war that is 70 years over.Someone should tell them that germans lost. 1
LLv34_Flanker Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) S! Yes they lost and so did Eastern Europe for the next 50 years under Soviet oppression....errr...liberation and grace of communism Edited October 24, 2014 by LLv34_Flanker 1
Livai Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 Yes it really is. You have to remember that most of the reviews are done by kids. They are used to War Thunder and Call of Duty. And this one http://www.eurogamer.de/articles/2014-08-22-il-2-sturmovik-battle-of-stalingrad-nichts-ist-so-harcore-wie-dein-eigenes-unvermoegen Its an OK gauge on how well received the game is, for instance X:Rebirth when it was released was a bug ridden mess, and it duly got slated: http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/x-rebirth Il2:BOS by contrast has done quite a bit better. Unbelieveable BoS beats War Thunder the most played game.
II/JG17_HerrMurf Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 The emotional maturity of some in the air combat "community" is amazing. It's a genre that has the most demanding individuals. It's a genre that expects everything but gives little. It's a genre that will be left to hacking borked up titles previously released or the shooter/air combat mixup that is War Thunder because eventually no devs will bother with it due to the low income and some of the fanbase. It's a genre that brings in little monies for the developers and yet the deal with more crap from the end users than million dollar titles. If there was a snapshot of the Gamergate stupidity, and the emotional stunted nonsense from some here with regards to this title - it would match up pretty evenly. Inane, childish outburts that belong in a kindergarten room rather than amongst individuals that claim to be grown men - leaving out women because the few here that are willing to state they are women are very much absent from the infantile bickering/refund demanding/small man syndrome nonsense - and quite simply a very stunted emotional maturity displayed by a very vocal and very select few individuals. It is disgusting, and it is pathetic. Most demanding refunds have had this game for almost a year, maybe 6 months, and yet no software return policy would allow that. If there was any uncertainty, any questionable doubt, don't buy it. I just now purchased Interstellar Marines, something I followed for 6 years - and it finally became something I wanted and so I paid for it. If, in two months or a year - or three, it doesn't meet every single item they set forth I will not be demanding a refund, I will not have childish outburts on a forum, I will not be doing anything some very vocal individuals here are doing. I will do something so outrageous it will boggle the minds of every sane person out there, I will stop playing it and I will find something else to do - and that is what some of you just need to do because obviously computer games are just too much for you to handle. Some of you act like this:(Language!!!!) http://youtu.be/omg7gnz1uhg?t=10s That is Francis, and he is doing that as a parody/joke - and yet it fits perfectly here. Completely agree but, of course, this will fall on deaf ears from the primary culprits and/or start the next tantrum. 1
wellenbrecher Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) Judging a game by the scores from Metacritic's population of zit pickers, kiddy fiddlers and closet nazis is like gauging a racial minority's right to exist based solely on youtube comments. That's a perfect comparison if I ever heard one And this one http://www.eurogamer.de/articles/2014-08-22-il-2-sturmovik-battle-of-stalingrad-nichts-ist-so-harcore-wie-dein-eigenes-unvermoegen Oh sweet lord have mercy... And that's a good example as to why "gaming journalism" as a rule of thumb, is so utterly useless, worthless and laughable. Edited October 24, 2014 by [JG2]G3_wellenbrecher
I./JG1_Baron Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 The emotional maturity of some in the air combat "community" is amazing. It's a genre that has the most demanding individuals. It's a genre that expects everything but gives little. It's a genre that will be left to hacking borked up titles previously released or the shooter/air combat mixup that is War Thunder because eventually no devs will bother with it due to the low income and some of the fanbase. It's a genre that brings in little monies for the developers and yet the deal with more crap from the end users than million dollar titles. If there was a snapshot of the Gamergate stupidity, and the emotional stunted nonsense from some here with regards to this title - it would match up pretty evenly. Inane, childish outburts that belong in a kindergarten room rather than amongst individuals that claim to be grown men - leaving out women because the few here that are willing to state they are women are very much absent from the infantile bickering/refund demanding/small man syndrome nonsense - and quite simply a very stunted emotional maturity displayed by a very vocal and very select few individuals. It is disgusting, and it is pathetic. Most demanding refunds have had this game for almost a year, maybe 6 months, and yet no software return policy would allow that. If there was any uncertainty, any questionable doubt, don't buy it. I just now purchased Interstellar Marines, something I followed for 6 years - and it finally became something I wanted and so I paid for it. If, in two months or a year - or three, it doesn't meet every single item they set forth I will not be demanding a refund, I will not have childish outburts on a forum, I will not be doing anything some very vocal individuals here are doing. I will do something so outrageous it will boggle the minds of every sane person out there, I will stop playing it and I will find something else to do - and that is what some of you just need to do because obviously computer games are just too much for you to handle. Some of you act like this:(Language!!!!) http://youtu.be/omg7gnz1uhg?t=10s That is Francis, and he is doing that as a parody/joke - and yet it fits perfectly here. My words. Well said.
Bearcat Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 Ok guys, answer me this: What is the big deal with the Full Mission Builder? I ask in honesty, why do you guys care so much? I absolutely hated using it in the old IL-2, and games afterwards that did the same thing have always been the same way for me: Clunky, hard to use, and way too friggen' time consuming versus what you get in the end. I mean absolutely no offence to people who DO like Full Mission Builders, I just want to know what makes you guys so attached to the idea. Oh, and by the way, taking off a point for skins? Really? I don't think that's exactly.....correct, if-you-ask-me. The thing with the FMB is it allows users to contribute to the growth of the sim in a way that developers alone cannot. This is my main beef with the lack of one.. and the implementation os skins.. among other things.. However the devs have stated on more than one occasion that it is just not ready yet. No where did they say there will never be a FMB in this sim.. My take is.. yes there is a lot to not like about BoS .. but there is quite undeniably from where I sit more to like than to not like. These guys have busted their butts over the last two years to get this out close to on time and keep their word.. I just don't see going all postal and trahing the sim in every venue I can because it isn't what we thought it would be. That's like chopping down a tree because it yields some bitter fruit.. Wait a while till more fruit is on the tree before you cut it down. S! Yes they lost and so did Eastern Europe for the next 50 years under Soviet oppression....errr...liberation and grace of communism And this one http://www.eurogamer.de/articles/2014-08-22-il-2-sturmovik-battle-of-stalingrad-nichts-ist-so-harcore-wie-dein-eigenes-unvermoegen Unbelieveable BoS beats War Thunder the most played game. No more of that please..
Dakpilot Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 Would be interesting to know how many missions/campaigns are hosted at somewhere like M4T to give an example of how important an FMB is Cheers Dakpilot 1
IIN8II Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) The emotional maturity of some in the air combat "community" is amazing. It's a genre that has the most demanding individuals. It's a genre that expects everything but gives little. It's a genre that will be left to hacking borked up titles previously released or the shooter/air combat mixup that is War Thunder because eventually no devs will bother with it due to the low income and some of the fanbase. It's a genre that brings in little monies for the developers and yet the deal with more crap from the end users than million dollar titles. If there was a snapshot of the Gamergate stupidity, and the emotional stunted nonsense from some here with regards to this title - it would match up pretty evenly. Inane, childish outburts that belong in a kindergarten room rather than amongst individuals that claim to be grown men - leaving out women because the few here that are willing to state they are women are very much absent from the infantile bickering/refund demanding/small man syndrome nonsense - and quite simply a very stunted emotional maturity displayed by a very vocal and very select few individuals. It is disgusting, and it is pathetic. Most demanding refunds have had this game for almost a year, maybe 6 months, and yet no software return policy would allow that. If there was any uncertainty, any questionable doubt, don't buy it. I just now purchased Interstellar Marines, something I followed for 6 years - and it finally became something I wanted and so I paid for it. If, in two months or a year - or three, it doesn't meet every single item they set forth I will not be demanding a refund, I will not have childish outburts on a forum, I will not be doing anything some very vocal individuals here are doing. I will do something so outrageous it will boggle the minds of every sane person out there, I will stop playing it and I will find something else to do - and that is what some of you just need to do because obviously computer games are just too much for you to handle. Some of you act like this:(Language!!!!) http://youtu.be/omg7gnz1uhg?t=10s That is Francis, and he is doing that as a parody/joke - and yet it fits perfectly here. "well you're just a fanboy and a yes man!".... On a serious note I totally agree. Edited October 24, 2014 by IIN8II 2
Bearcat Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 Really? When? You got an exact date on that? As of right now, the game is launched, its been released, its retail. The FMB and Dserver are not in my version. As of this moment whats in the game is in the game, what isnt...well isnt. If the developers wanted those things in the game to be reviewed, then they should have thought about it before saying, its done. Anything reviewed now is fair. The devs have completed their vision for the release of their game. So, because people are not happy with the final product and missing key features that they are used to with every other sim, there will be some negatives. Thats on the devs, not on the people making the review. Of course we don't have a date. C'mon man be realistic.. You know the thing that really really gets me more than anything else as far as you and people who share your rage is ... Some of you guys were the same guys who went through the entire CoD debacle and saw that from both sides and yet it would appear as if you have learned absolutely nothing from that entire experience. Now I don't know which side of the fence you were on in that whole fiasco but there are several differences here that demand mentioning. The Team - This team is an entirely different team. Not to trash anyone and I will make this brief just to make my point .. but by the time CoD was released it was 6 years in development from when it first started being announced and there were even rumors that it was vaporware if you will recall by 2010. Six years from announcement to release.. And what a release. We all know that story so I won't go into it in detail but I will close that portion of this with.. we all saw the way that CoD was handled once it was released.. This team has no resemblance to that team other than country of origin and a 1C in the name. This team announced BoS less than 2 years ago and today we have a GOLD product. Is it finished? Of course not!! Heck IL2 is not finished... it is still an ongoing WIP after going on what ... 13 years. So what in Sam Hill do you yahoos expect from these guys??!! A friggin miracle??!! They delivered a product and have proven over the last 22 months that they are a talented, dedicated bunch that will do their best to stick to their commitments.. So just what exactly is the problem? Some of you act as if now that the sim is released they are going to start on something else... WTH can these guys do to prove to you that they are in this for the long haul??!! You don't want to spend another penny till you "get the sim you paid for.." FINE!! Don't!! But for crying out loud stop acting like someone slapped your mother over this or ripped you off. This is an ongoing work in progress. This team is going nowhere unless the sim doesn't sell. The product- Yeah I know.. CoD was revolutionary.. nothing like it.. cutting edge.. but guess what. At the time it was released most of the folks who bought it could not run it. At all. Many who could, could not do so well after spending hundreds of dollars upgrading their rigs. The sim had so may issues at it's core and that is what created so much drama. BoS has little if any of that. At it's core it is a stable, viable product. The issues with it that some have with it are matters of implementation not the core of the product itself. Also ... it is not finished yet. The devs have never said that once we release it what you have is all you will have. They said that a ME, skin tools.. and other things will be tweaked and added as we go along.. but they want to get the sim out the door. I for the life of me do not get what part of that some of you do not understand. Just to be clear on this the only reason I mention CoD .. well there are two actually.. is because many (note I did not say all..) of the most vocal critics of BoS are diehard CoD fans who have approached this product from a highly critical point of skepticism from day one .. and .. and this is important here so pay attention.. CoD is the only other product released over the last 10 years that is a dedicated WWII sim. The only one worth mentioning.. so when comparing the only two dedicated WWII sims released over the last decade by measures of quality at release, development time, development team, and potential for developer support into the future... Things become a little clearer. You don't have to love the sim.. just don't hinder it's future by ignoring the good that is in it and trashing it alltogether it for the things that could be better.t. It seems to me as if some folks had to have their arms twisted to make a half hearted attempt to buy in and as soon as things didn't go the way they expected or wanted now they are ready to not only throw the sim under the bus but burn the bus as well. I don't get it... The emotional maturity of some in the air combat "community" is amazing. It's a genre that has the most demanding individuals. It's a genre that expects everything but gives little. It's a genre that will be left to hacking borked up titles previously released or the shooter/air combat mixup that is War Thunder because eventually no devs will bother with it due to the low income and some of the fanbase. It's a genre that brings in little monies for the developers and yet the deal with more crap from the end users than million dollar titles. If there was a snapshot of the Gamergate stupidity, and the emotional stunted nonsense from some here with regards to this title - it would match up pretty evenly. Inane, childish outburts that belong in a kindergarten room rather than amongst individuals that claim to be grown men - leaving out women because the few here that are willing to state they are women are very much absent from the infantile bickering/refund demanding/small man syndrome nonsense - and quite simply a very stunted emotional maturity displayed by a very vocal and very select few individuals. It is disgusting, and it is pathetic. Most demanding refunds have had this game for almost a year, maybe 6 months, and yet no software return policy would allow that. If there was any uncertainty, any questionable doubt, don't buy it. I just now purchased Interstellar Marines, something I followed for 6 years - and it finally became something I wanted and so I paid for it. If, in two months or a year - or three, it doesn't meet every single item they set forth I will not be demanding a refund, I will not have childish outburts on a forum, I will not be doing anything some very vocal individuals here are doing. I will do something so outrageous it will boggle the minds of every sane person out there, I will stop playing it and I will find something else to do - and that is what some of you just need to do because obviously computer games are just too much for you to handle. Some of you act like this:(Language!!!!) http://youtu.be/omg7gnz1uhg?t=10s That is Francis, and he is doing that as a parody/joke - and yet it fits perfectly here. Great post .. 2
USAF77 Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 Ive really found the IL2 crowd to be among the least objective among game "raters" Ive ever seen. There seems to be two basic types, 1. the fanbois who would give any turd wings and 2. those with an axe to grind. Ive already seen both in this thread and it makes me glad I still have that $100 in my pocket. Tho I'd probably still buy it if it wasnt for this 40 hour offline mode requirement for unlocks. What the heck is that about?
IIN8II Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) Ive really found the IL2 crowd to be among the least objective among game "raters" Ive ever seen. There seems to be two basic types, 1. the fanbois who would give any turd wings and 2. those with an axe to grind. Ive already seen both in this thread and it makes me glad I still have that $100 in my pocket. Tho I'd probably still buy it if it wasnt for this 40 hour offline mode requirement for unlocks. What the heck is that about? You can say that about pretty much any game out there, it doesn't really say anything about the game. Edited October 24, 2014 by IIN8II
Bearcat Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 The unlocks are not what the name implies.. Try not to think of it in the context of X-Box unlocks.... and for the record I am not some blind fanboi who would give any turd with wings a thumbs up.. I just call them as I see them and at it's core BoS is still a viable product that has more potential to scratch that WWII simmers itch for a long time than any other next gen product on the market.
chris455 Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) What I posted on Metacritic: This simulation is very immersive and enjoyable in it's release version, and has tremendous potential to become even better. What others see as shortcomings are actually features that did not make it into the release version, but can (and I believe will) be retro-fitted in later updates. A quick comparison of the original IL2 vs 1946, or even the initial release of RoF compared to the current build will reveal what I am saying- those who expect perfection (however they define it) in an initial release are doomed to disapointment. The vast majority of outright bugs have been killed with the help of the community through the early access program, which I believe will become the model for future flight sims. Many, if not most of remainder have been acknowledged as remaining "in work". The dev team was very responsive to inputs from the community. One example: the "bar" that OM failed to fix in all the years of the original IL2, was corrected within a few days by 1C/777, to the delight of the community. Unfortunately, our community remains riddled with individuals who feel that if they are not allowed to direct 100% of the activities and decision-making of the developers, they attack the final product any way they can, no matter how un-objectively. It's amazing how some people feel that a $50 investment earns them a place on the Board of Directors. When the smoke has settled, this sim will deserve a solid 9.5. and will take it's place right next to its famous namesake. Right now I'll give it an honest 8. Now, back to flying! Edited October 24, 2014 by chris455
Trooper117 Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 In my view, inter game rivalry and politics should not even be mentioned in a review...
chris455 Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 In my view, inter game rivalry and politics should not even be mentioned in a review... Trooper, you are absolutely correct- I tried deep-breathing exercises for about 10 minutes after reading some of the tripe that was posted on Metacritic. Maybe I should have waited even longer. In any case, I stand by what I said. Cheers, Chris
Wandalen Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 Did you really expect significant changes to be made in the time between when the poll was posted and the release of the game? Give them a chance to evaluate where they want to go from here. And as for saying they don't listen to us, that's a load of nonsense. When they are setting up a poll one and a half week before the release, i assumed that it is for hear the customers before the game is released. But no, and now its out. And "significant changes" no its not significant to remove the unlocks from MP. I say the poll was just to calm the howling crowd I dont care about it annymore, i just take the game as it is and do the best out of it. If i bother to vote i vould give it 7. The DEV`s has done a great job and made a great game, but i got the right to disagree with some parts of the game. Ohhh.. my English is down the bucket ~S~
ChillaSteve Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 To me, scores are worthless. What I like/want in a game/sim/movie/music/ect... doesn't mean someone else will. Its a bit overrated.. I have never once purchesed something based on its reviews. I usually test drive my cars before i buy them, I watch movie trailers before I watch them, I listen to music on the radio before i buy the cd... When it comes to games/sims, and mainly sims i watch a hell of a lot of youtube/streamer videos before i make my own choice of if its worth it or not. I probably watched about an hour of videos on this before I bought 2 copies. Star Citizen had 0 reviews when it went kickstarter and Ive shelled out a shit ton of money to it.... well over 2k... Reading through some of those reviews and you can clearly tell a lot of them just down rated it and most likely havent even tried it for themselves and at the same time you have people who are giving it 10/10 without justification.. a lot of those reviews are pretty immature to begin with "im not wasting my money becasue it has unlocks in a sim", why even write the review if you havent "wasted" your money to even try to give it a real review. sorry just my rant on reviews/ratings/reviews.. I myself do give it a 7.5/10 at its current state... MP is badass (and yes the unlocks suck)
1CGS LukeFF Posted October 24, 2014 1CGS Posted October 24, 2014 Tho I'd probably still buy it if it wasnt for this 40 hour offline mode requirement for unlocks. What the heck is that about? There's no 40-hour requirements for unlocks.
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