Metacritic banter already started..

[150GCT_Veltro]

The game has a really solid base to work on for the future, some people was waiting the release date just to kill it.

 

This is very sad considering the team has given us a wonderfull sim within a year of work.

Edited October 23, 2014 by 150GCT_Veltro

[aletto]

Seems a little harsh, since it was only released yesterday. Can you give them a minute to continue on with it?

Then they should've released it later. Now I know, they probably were behind schedule, but now that the game is officially out, it's completely acceptable to expect a finished and polished game. If it isn't, well, that would be reflected in the verdict.

[wellenbrecher]

Seems a little harsh, since it was only released yesterday.  Can you give them a minute to continue on with it?

When people give it a 10/10 now and say everything is perfect at the moment, why should "the other side" not be allowed to say what is not currently working? I didn't post any of that on Metacritic, but that would be my review if I were to judge the current version, i.e. the actual release.

It's probably not fair in the long run, true, but Metacritic is useless like that.

[ECV56_Palex]

For me is a 6/10. Without FMB and COOP option my squad is out of this sim for the moment! 

 

regards!

[avlSteve]

Well I gave them a 10 because I saw that 0 laying there, and because this title has consumed my life for the last couple of months, and I desperately want them to bring this new series to its full potential.  Only review I've ever given, and I think I'm now retired from it.

 

I've learned one thing, though, and that's to be careful looking at user review scores and comments, as they may not mean diddly squat.

Edited October 23, 2014 by avlSteve

[DD_bongodriver]

 

 

This is very sad considering the team has given us a wonderfull sim within a year of work.

 

They have 'given' us nothing, they have 'sold' us a years worth of modification of an existing game engine, I don't go down to my local shop and buy a loaf of bread and praise them for 'giving' me a wonderful loaf of bread.

[wellenbrecher]

Well I gave them a 10 because I saw that 0 laying there, and because this title has consumed my life for the last couple of months, and I desperately want them to bring this new series to its full potential.  Only review I've ever given, and I think I'm now retired from it.

 

I've learned one thing, though, and that's to be careful looking at user review scores and comments, as they may not mean diddly squat.

Seems a little overly confident, since it was only released yesterday. Can you give them a minute to continue on with and not rate in based on things that are as of yet only promised?

[SYN_Per]

You should try that Bongo. You might make them very happy.

[LukeFF]

They have 'given' us nothing, they have 'sold' us a years worth of modification of an existing game engine, I don't go down to my local shop and buy a loaf of bread and praise them for 'giving' me a wonderful loaf of bread.

 

Say what?

[avlSteve]

They have 'given' us nothing, they have 'sold' us a years worth of modification of an existing game engine, I don't go down to my local shop and buy a loaf of bread and praise them for 'giving' me a wonderful loaf of bread.

 

It feels to me like what they consistently give us is their best effort.

[Yakmaster]

Thanks. We trying. Some times this is not easy. But from the moment you choose your road, you have only 3 options, stop here, move forward or move back, but only one of them pushing you closer to the target. I mean, we working. We hope release means start. Early Access was preparation for take-off.

 

Or option 4, maybe you could spend some time on this forum and explain why unlocks need to be locked in MP and QMB, and why only graphic presets and not open options like in RoF, i dont remenber this was ever answered by dev

[CheeseGromit]

"Not everyone thinks BoS is good", your right, not everyone does think BoS is good, but, and it's a massive but, you can still give it an honest score.

 

An honest score based on what criteria though? Some are trying to objectively review the game based on its perceived quality, others are voting more around do they like the game, is it what they wanted or expected. I don't think they're less honest scores even if they are overly harsh when viewed from a more objective position.

[sallee]

They have 'given' us nothing, they have 'sold' us a years worth of modification of an existing game engine, I don't go down to my local shop and buy a loaf of bread and praise them for 'giving' me a wonderful loaf of bread.

Blimey Bongo, that might be a bit of a non-point even if a native English speaker had used the word "given". Given, as in provided, whether for money or not.

[Caudron431]

They have 'given' us nothing, they have 'sold' us a years worth of modification of an existing game engine, I don't go down to my local shop and buy a loaf of bread and praise them for 'giving' me a wonderful loaf of bread.

Thanks for buying it anyway and supporting our fun Bongo, you rock !

[1./KG4_Blackwolf]

I'd give it a 7, there are things I don't like about but overall its a good game. I can't see putting up a 0/10? That helps no one. I think that's why Amazon has 1 to 5 stars..no zero's.

[Bearcat]

The game has a really solid base to work on for the future, some people was waiting the release date just to kill it.

 

This is very sad considering the team has given us a wonderfull sim within a year of work.

 

I agree.

 

 

An honest score based on what criteria though? Some are trying to objectively review the game based on its perceived quality, others are voting more around do they like the game, is it what they wanted or expected. I don't think they're less honest scores even if they are overly harsh when viewed from a more objective position.

 

Others still are reviewing this product based on emotion and their perceived superiority of another product. Which has little to do with the merits or potential merits of BoS.

 

 

 

They have 'given' us nothing, they have 'sold' us a years worth of modification of an existing game engine, I don't go down to my local shop and buy a loaf of bread and praise them for 'giving' me a wonderful loaf of bread.

 

Semantics. You know good and doggone well what he means and he is absolutely correct. They have produced a pretty darned good WWII sim with a lot of potential in under 2 years. I think that is quite a feat all things considered. Now BoS is not going to be all things to all people and to some people it will never be anything..because it isn't something else.. but it is a very good WWII sim and it is the best new WWII flight sim out of the box made over the last decade. The absolute best. It runs well on the rigs of most of the people who have it. Most of the complaints are about features that are missing not the overall quality of the sim or it's potential.

[DD_bongodriver]

 

 

you rock !

 

I know

[No601_Prangster]

I see that the negative posts have dropped from 11 last time I looked to 8 now. It looks like the Metacritic people have finally started weeding out the multiple logins from the same IP that plagued the voting last time.

[DD_bongodriver]

Blimey Bongo, that might be a bit of a non-point even if a native English speaker had used the word "given". Given, as in provided, whether for money or not.

 

I know mate, but the fawning that goes on around here is a bit nauseating.

[BlitzPig_Bill_Kelso]

The people scoring 6 or below simply have an axe to grind and are not objective in the least bit. The game is a solid 7 in my opinion and will only get better. Being fair and reasonable is no longer a trait most people have these days.

 

Give me 110% and that is all I will accept or I will make your life miserable is the standard it seems.

 

Peoples sense of entitlement is so over the top these days it's sad. Accepting people and things for what they are rather than trying to change them to suite you makes for a healthier life.

 

Personally I could do without the unlocks but it does provide goals and objectives, you know something to work towards. If you want the additional content than unlock it, if you  don't want to put forth the effort than that fine as well and that is your choice. The Dev's have made it available to anyone willing to put forth the effort.

 

The game still works fine without the additional plane skins and load outs.

[Wandalen]

I love it and i hate it at the same time. The poll about unlocks was just a play for the scene, they dont listen to the audience annyway.

And only members with the Tester badge in the forum can host servers and play with the FMB and even brag about it, It makes me grumpy!

But the game is a eye candy.I love the pretty landscape and environment of the different weather systems.

And it is a true dream to fly missions in both SP and MP. Right now BOS my nr1 game.

 

~S~

[HagarTheHorrible]

An honest score based on what criteria though? Some are trying to objectively review the game based on its perceived quality, others are voting more around do they like the game, is it what they wanted or expected. I don't think they're less honest scores even if they are overly harsh when viewed from a more objective position.

 

I think, sour grapes not withstanding, some people are giving a review score on what THEY wanted and not necessarily on the objective strength of the game overall, as it has been presented.

 

There are precious few flight sims in development, even fewer that take the genre seriously. BoS is developed, first and foremost, by flight simmers who were passionate and talented enough to develop there own game.  The reality between what one would like to do and what one can reasonably afford to do is, unfortunately, their cross to bare.  We should give them some respect for the difficult decisions they have to take.  Giving them an ultra low score on something like Metacritique is unfair, unjust and really rubs the face of not only the developers but the entire flight simming community in the mud.  The game is not perfect, but and again it is a huge but, it is an ongoing project that will fill out and develop over the next few years, as flight simmers, we know this and our honest appraisal should reflect this reality.

[IIN8II]

I love it and i hate it at the same time. The poll about unlocks was just a play for the scene, they dont listen to the audience annyway.

And only members with the Tester badge in the forum can host servers and play with the FMB and even brag about it, It makes me grumpy!

But the game is a eye candy.I love the pretty landscape and environment of the different weather systems.

And it is a true dream to fly missions in both SP and MP. Right now BOS my nr1 game.

 

~S~

Very good point there. I believe an overwhelming majority are against the unlock system, but there has been no change as of yet. Would be nice to here an official statement regarding the poll.

[DD_bongodriver]

 

 

Would be nice to here an official statement regarding the poll.

 

We've had it, the game released with no changes.

[IIN8II]

Why would anybody be nervous?

Some are afraid that it will break apart their community. I don't understand why it has to be one or the other in some peoples minds. Why can we play and enjoy both?

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

I gave it Floral and fauna rating, with tinted rose color glass's.. all though I wear mirrored because of the bright sun light. 

Edited October 23, 2014 by 71st_Mastiff

[Brano]

I just finished my best offline campaign mission.

  We took of in para together with my fellow comrade Unknown Unknownovich.It was just after 5:30 PM,sky was getting dark and clouds were dangerously low.My estimation - no higher than 800m.And they were plenty.Our order was to escort zveno of peshka's from neigbouring BAP over german airfield.

  We took off in order and shortly after joined our big brothers.We climbed together thru clouds to some 3km.I almost lost them due to poor visibility.I checked course according compass as I couldnt see anything thru layer of clouds beneath.I told myself: "Either this is correct way or you are most probably flying to hell''.Suddenly there was a clearance in clouds.Like a wall of seawater created by Moses.I could see bends of Don river down under.Peshkas started their bombrun.We closed in and saw how bombs were leaving their bellies and fell down on that damn fashist opressors.That was a good feeling indeed.I lost concentration and did not pay attention what was going on around....

  There they were.Like hungry wolfs they fell upon us from high above.Four messers.I did not have much time to think.Quickly checked that peshkas ran away into clouds and my wingmen was nowhwere to be seen.Damn Unknown Unknownovich.I knew he was lacking discipline since we started to fly together,but this was really first time I would appreciate his help a lot.Two messers were behind me,ready to open fire.I could feel their lust for kill.But no!Not today and not me! Only maneuver that came into my mind was doing split S and try to lure them down and do turnfight.They followed.Leader of german zveno dived too much and then tried to bank and turn very sharply.That was my moment.I climbed slowly behind him to cut his escape route.He saw me and pushed his nose down to slip away.I did not follow.Something told me he will try to make a battle turn to gain advantage over me.Just as he was pointing his nose up,I got for few seconds into good firing solution and pressed trigger.My SHVAK in unisono with UB hurled salvo of bullets on messer.I could see hits on his rudder and something separated from his fuselage.But he kept flying and zooming up away.I swore at my poor shooting.Such an opportunity wasted.Suddenly there was another line of tracers coming from 3oclock.That was Unknown Unknownovich! He literally saw off messer's right wing.Damn bastard.I never thought I will be so happy to see that siberian ugly face.I shouted loud: ''Well done you devil creature!''

  We were alone.Down under clouds,few hundred meters above ground.Messers were gone.I decided that it was just enough fun for today and called Unknown via radio to get back to formation.He obeyed,most probably because he was happy about scoring a kill,for which he will get nice sum of rubels and extra bottles of vodka.I was also happy for him.Who knows,at the end he may become a very good wingman.We climbed above clouds to avoid ground fire when crossing frontline.It was getting really dark.6:00 PM was long over.I scanned horizon just to be sure that noone is following us.Noone.....noone? What the hell was that? Looked like three spots at my hight and two others above.Planes! But were they ours? Germans? They were closing in from my 9 oclock.I was desperately trying to recognize the type.Come closer...a bit more...a bit more..Stukas with escorting messers! Oh,my dear reader,I was almost out of ammo and Unknown was most probably too.But what? They did not see us! Most probably due to clouds we were dipping in.They flew away and left stukas alone.Soo tempting,soo irresistible.I was craving to smash at least one of them down.I turned hard and gained a bit of altitude.Unknown followed.I chose to attack last stuka in formation and started to close in from above.Perfectly sitting in my crosshair I fired my guns.After short salvo they went silent.I shouted into radio: ''Orechov net!'' But who cares.I have my trusty LaGG,it is weapon of its own.I decided to bring fashist down with the body of my airplane.I came slowly from above and scratched my belly against his canopy.Terrible noise.I thought this is the end.My LaGG will break apart and I will day inside him.But no! We survived! And stuka started to descend in slow spiral.I saw only one parachute....Bei vraga!

  I quickly checked where we are and headed straight to aerodrome.Fuel was disappearing from my tank far more quickly then usual.Most probably main tank was damaged during my taran.I saw in the distance flares shot up towards the night sky and bonfires lit along the runway.Home.I made it.And Unknown Unknownovich made it too.I ordered him to separate and land.Touchdown was one of my best executed so far.I rolled at the end of runway and turned right to park the plane.Unknown was behind me finishing his rollout.We parked both next to each other and smiled.We cheated death today.Will see what tomorrow brings.

[1PL-Banzai-1Esk]

Looks like the score is rising

[HagarTheHorrible]

Any score I wish to give BoS on a site like Metacritic is also tempered by the fact that I don't want to be staring at a blank screen in several years time because nobody is developing quality flight sims.

 

I appreciate some people claim sites like Metacritic are irrelevant but, in my own experience, when looking to make a purchase of a computer game in a genre that I don't usually frequent then, sad though it may be, I will often look at a site like metacritic and dismiss anything that isn't close to the top of the list.  I just go for the headline score as a litmus test because I have no experience to gauge the comments and just want a hassle free best in the genre game with the minimun expenditure of little grey brain cells.  If it floats my boat then maybe I'll give the genre a bit more time and consideration and burn a few more brain cells in it's cause.  For a trial toe dipping in a strange genre I'm rarely going to consider anything but the top scoring games.

[1PL-Banzai-1Esk]

Nice read Brano, i laughed, thanks.

[Brano]

That's my personal review of the game

[kissklas]

Thanks. We trying. Some times this is not easy. But from the moment you choose your road, you have only 3 options, stop here, move forward or move back, but only one of them pushing you closer to the target. I mean, we working. We hope release means start. Early Access was preparation for take-off.

 

Unlocks or not, IL-2 is by far the best combat sim experience I have ever had. I am having great fun just doing the campaign as well. I hope you keep developing this game for a long time. There is a lot I bet people would love to see in the game. Once the Oculus releases, I am never leaving my plane again...

 

A metacritic score of 9 from me. Keep up the good work:)

[1PL-Banzai-1Esk]

That's my personal review of the game

Is that on Metacritic? If yes then respect.

Edited October 23, 2014 by Don_Kojote

[CIA_Yankee_]

They have 'given' us nothing, they have 'sold' us a years worth of modification of an existing game engine, I don't go down to my local shop and buy a loaf of bread and praise them for 'giving' me a wonderful loaf of bread.

 

Neither do I... but I do thank them for providing me that bread. And if it's a good loaf of bread, I certainly will praise them.

 

Same goes for a good meal at a restaurant, a great haircut, a well-tuned and conditioned car.... and yes, a good sim as well.

 

Just because you paid for something doesn't mean you're entitled to perfection, and anything less is deserving of scorn.

 

To me, BoS is a good sim, and on release compares very favourably with how other sims were on release. It's not perfect, of course, but I know the sim genre well enough to not expect everything I'd like to come out of the box (mods and future improvements will no doubt address my concerns).

 

So, yes, I do praise the BoS team for their efforts. Very well done indeed.

[6high]

Wow, the drama...quite some thing this place nowadays.

Torn between people who wait for BoS to crashland, others who panic at the thought of that happening (and i`m not talking the dev`s here, they have every reason to) and the simply impatient  members of mankind.

And worst, i also caught some of that fever....like looking at the presents on xmas eve, and wondering if i will get what i had wished for....

This`ll be a looong christmas

[IIN8II]

This type of view is present in every new release for a series.

 

one thread

"This is BS, they just sold us the same old game"

 

and the next thread

"this is BS, why didnt they just sell us the same old game"

Edited October 23, 2014 by IIN8II

[Brano]

Is that on Metacritic? If yes then respect.

No it is not.I do not have account there and I do not plan to create one.But feel free to use it as you like.

[CIA_Yankee_]

Clod boys are nervous i think

 

I have two things to say about that:

 

1- BoS and CloD are not in competition, and I proudly have both sims sitting in my hard drive.

 

2- Sadly, there ARE players out there who view everything as a competition. If a new sim comes out, they somehow feel the need to bash it because it doesn't do something they like as well as their current sim (be it CloD, 1946, EAW, whatever). Regardless that these things were often added in long after release, and of the very important fact that this is _not a competition_.

 

BoS is not competing against CloD, for example: BoS is a NEW sim, made by an active dev studio that actually depends on revenue to stay in business. As such, the only thing bashing BoS accomplishing is make it harder for them to succeed, and thus making an already risky niche genre even riskier.

 

That's not to say we should never be critical of BoS... but judging BoS - an active and evolving product - by comparing it to out of production games with years of modding behind them and then "reviewing" it into the ground because it doesn't cater specifically to you, is simply harmful to the genre. Those bad reviewers aren't going to "scare" the BoS team into giving in to their demands... the "best" they can achieve is drive the team out of business.

 

As has been said, it is a clear case of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

[Livai]

My personal review about BoS:

  - How I can review a game that is still "work in progress"?

  - Important Tools are not released yet

  - Modding not allowed yet

 

I see no reason to review this game yet

Edited October 23, 2014 by Superghostboy

[CheeseGromit]

I think, sour grapes not withstanding, some people are giving a review score on what THEY wanted and not necessarily on the objective strength of the game overall, as it has been presented.

 

There are precious few flight sims in development, even fewer that take the genre seriously. BoS is developed, first and foremost, by flight simmers who were passionate and talented enough to develop there own game.  The reality between what one would like to do and what one can reasonably afford to do is, unfortunately, their cross to bare.  We should give them some respect for the difficult decisions they have to take.  Giving them an ultra low score on something like Metacritique is unfair, unjust and really rubs the face of not only the developers but the entire flight simming community in the mud.  The game is not perfect, but and again it is a huge but, it is an ongoing project that will fill out and develop over the next few years, as flight simmers, we know this and our honest appraisal should reflect this reality.

 

Yeah. I guess I'm less convinced that that is an unreasonable way to go about reviewing a game. Whilst I personally would be giving a more objective review of my perception of the games quality I can understand and accept that others think differently. Is it unfair, arguably yes but there are probably others that are yet to buy that share the view of those posting low scores and in that regard those low scores can prove useful.

 

I know that on the occasions I look at metacritic to get an overview of a game I focus on the low scores. You do need to filter out a variable amount of rubbish depending on the type of game but I'm looking specifically for issues that I wouldn't like about a game. The positive virtues of games are frequently overstated in my opinion by gamers, reviewers and developers.

 

I certainly don't agree with the idea that any score should reflect an unknown future. I wonder how many are scoring high in fear that the product will come to a premature ending when they really want it to succeed due to a lack of other options for a genre they like.