Nil Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 .. hope some 'Real gamecritic' reviews come in soon. Or if you have something positive to add to the discussion?http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/il-2-sturmovik-battle-of-stalingrad
Dakpilot Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) LoL it is amusing to see the "usual (multi account)suspects'' by their copy paste of previous factually incorrect "reviews" Cheers Dakpilot Edited October 23, 2014 by Dakpilot 3
-NW-ChiefRedCloud Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Everyone needs to get involved in this. Though I personally do not put stock on such as I investigate and weigh things on my own before deciding. However an honest review in such as this can help other decide. So take a moment and add your thoughts. Chief
Vaxxtx Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Oh no....some people dont like BoS! Light the torches! Time to put up some 10's, right?!? That is the correct action to take, right? It worked so well ast time.... Get over it people. Not everyone thinks BoS is good. Just because some people dont have blinders on and are not so damn brand-loyal that they see flaws in this release, does not mean they are wrong. I see points on both the postive and negative that are spot on. 12
LLv24_Zami Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 LoL it is amusing to see the "usual (multi account)suspects'' by their copy paste of previous factually incorrect "reviews" Cheers Dakpilot Its really funny how much energy and attention these guys put to the game which they claim to dislike . When I dont like a game, I just uninstall it, forget it and move on. Next step is that I install a game which is good in my opinion, play it and have a great time. Simple as that 7
HagarTheHorrible Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) "Not everyone thinks BoS is good", your right, not everyone does think BoS is good, but, and it's a massive but, you can still give it an honest score. Just because certain aspects don't fulfill your fantasy flight sim don't go around trashing it and basically taking a child like hissy fit. It does the developers an injustice but most of all it makes a fool of yourself regardless of whether we know who you are or not. The expression "Cutting off one's nose to spite yourself" never seems to have been more apt. Just be honest if reviewing it, nothing more. Just to be clear I'm not picking on anyone in particular, although I quoted a particular line it was meant as a general rebuke to anyone thinking to trash the game as a way of getting one over on the developers. Just grow up. Edited October 23, 2014 by HagarTheHorrible 3
Trooper117 Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 There is going to be bad reviews for gods sake... live with it. I can understand the pissed off actions of many, and having said that, there will be many more that will give it the thumbs up! If I was to write a review on metacritic I'd give it a 5. Do I think the game will flop, no... Do I think it answers all my tick boxes as the true successor to carry forward the IL2 brand? No... Di I think it will improve as time goes on? Yes! Will there be people trying to stick the knife in? Yes, it happens with many games. Will I still play the game?.. Yes! Jesus... the world will not end because of a few bad words on Metacritic... 3
SCG_Space_Ghost Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 "Not everyone thinks BoS is good", your right, not everyone does think BoS is good, but, and it's a massive but, you can still give it an honest score. Just because certain aspects don't fulfill your fantasy flight sim don't go around trashing it and basically taking a child like hissy fit. It does the developers an injustice but most of all it makes a fool of yourself regardless of whether we know who you are or not. The expression "Cutting off one's nose to spite yourself" never seems to have been more apt. Just be honest if reviewing it, nothing more. Giving an honest score is the same as choosing not to ignore all of its problems.
CaK_Rumcajs Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) Oh no....some people dont like BoS! Light the torches! Time to put up some 10's, right?!? That is the correct action to take, right? It worked so well ast time.... Get over it people. Not everyone thinks BoS is good. Just because some people dont have blinders on and are not so damn brand-loyal that they see flaws in this release, does not mean they are wrong. I see points on both the postive and negative that are spot on. That's why we have the freedom to share our opinions on the game. I personally have zero problems to get over your disapointment. Edited October 23, 2014 by Rumcajs 1
HagarTheHorrible Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) Giving an honest score is the same as choosing not to ignore all of its problems.That is very true, but scores of one or less are a sure sign of sour grapes rather than an honest appraisal, don't you think. The irony is that at the other end of the spectrum some people might feel compelled to give it a higher score, not because they feel it is worth it but just to offset overly negative reviews. I will, if I am honest, be an example of this. If I was to give it an honest score it would probably rate somewhere between 7 and 8. It's not perfect but flight sims develop over time so I full expect it to improve with age, I will however bump my score up to 8 or 9 though just to offset the overly negative, sour grape, reviews Edited October 23, 2014 by HagarTheHorrible
SCG_Space_Ghost Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) That's why we have the freedom to share our opinion on the game. I personally have zero problems to get over your disapointment. Than go on with it and quit trying to be dismissive of people who don't care for it. That is very true, but scores of one or less are a sure sign of sour grapes rather than an honest appraisal, don't you think. I agree, but I think scores greater than 7 are no less. (4-7 would be fairly objective depending on your dissatisfaction of current features [looks like reviews in this range at least attempt objectification].) (1-3 is being a bit pedantic [substance of reviews looks pretty spot on to me, but the scores are a little disheveled].) (8-10 seems borderline ignorant [assuming you read the substance of the review].) I have said before and will say again regarding all of my opinions and gripes: the foundation is there, the respect and legacy has yet to be determined. Edited October 23, 2014 by FalkeEins 2
Dakpilot Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Than go on with it and quit trying to be dismissive of people who don't care for it. I agree, but I think scores greater than 7 are no less. (4-7 would be fairly objective depending on your dissatisfaction of current features.) LoL nice edit Cheers Dakpilot
VRPilot Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Giving an honest score is the same as choosing not to ignore all of its problems. "all of its problem" so, go on, show ALL the problems. There are not many. It's one the few games that it not released as an open beta. The unlocks, well, it's a design choise. One of many in the game, it to be fair, not a gamebraking one. To pick one individual part out of hunderts and go full force to rage mode, giving 0 points is maximum retard is far away from being honest 2
SCG_Space_Ghost Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 LoL nice edit Cheers Dakpilot What are you getting at? I don't think this title is a turd to be polished, so I decided to edit that out. I do not care for a lot of what this product is.
CaK_Rumcajs Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Than go on with it and quit trying to be dismissive of people who don't care for it. Wasn't the original post dismissive of people who like the game? In my eyes it was. Also your imperative what I shloud do has no influence. I'm not going anywhere, I do not quit regardless of what you suggest.
SCG_Space_Ghost Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 There are not many. And this is precisely why I will not humor that request. Wasn't the original post dismissive of people who like the game? In my eyes it was. Also your imperative what I shloud do has no influence. I'm not going anywhere, I do not quit regardless of what you suggest. Great on you. Go have yourself a pat on the back.
=LD=Hethwill Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Not liking a product is no justification to tell lies. Plus a critique MUST always have a individual/personal tone to it and not a UNIVERSAL gospel attitude. It is my only observation towards the red meta submissions.
[TWB]80hd Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 (4-7 would be fairly objective depending on your dissatisfaction of current features [looks like reviews in this range at least attempt objectification].) (1-3 is being a bit pedantic [substance of reviews looks pretty spot on to me, but the scores are a little disheveled].) (8-10 seems borderline ignorant [assuming you read the substance of the review].) This is pretty much spot-on.
VRPilot Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Than go on with it and quit trying to be dismissive of people who don't care for it. I agree, but I think scores greater than 7 are no less. (4-7 would be fairly objective depending on your dissatisfaction of current features [looks like reviews in this range at least attempt objectification].) (1-3 is being a bit pedantic [substance of reviews looks pretty spot on to me, but the scores are a little disheveled].) (8-10 seems borderline ignorant [assuming you read the substance of the review].) so if I like the SP part I'm what? I have said before and will say again regarding all of my opinions and gripes: the foundation is there, the respect and legacy has yet to be determined. I'll give it 8: + grafics, FM, DM, overall presentation and based on the fun I have in MP and SP - minor stuff, it's sure not perfect +/- unlocks, I don't care about
sallee Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Some of these comments aren't actually reviews, they are just petulant rants and I don't think there's anything controversial about adults calling them that. There are things I don't like, but shouting about them like a spoilt child doesn't help anyone. 2
=AVG=Zombie Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Made a submission... for what its worth...
Brano Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 I do not care about metacritics or whatever it is.I will not create account just to post my review right next to those full of hatered.And I do not have time and will for that.I am going to fly my LaGG now,not to waist time reading that !@#$%. 1
[TWB]80hd Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 To me, the only thing that noticeably changed from the last early access update and the "release" was that the price went up $5. Regardless of what percentage of the player base is truly 100% single-player, the long-term playerbase will consist of multiplayer pilots... unless this game wildly differs from every other multiplayer capable sim ever made. So, I will hold off on my review until the dserver and associated tools are released, assuming that is quite soon... because the multiplayer promise is what plenty of us spent our investment on, not a shallow and ultimately bland campaign experience. If I am forced to write my review based solely on that, the score will reflect that.
avlSteve Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Well, I've done all I can. My ma always told me if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything. I can't imagine what would motivate someone who obviously has an issue with a product, to spend time to give it a zero rating. A zero. They must be amazing in everything they do, and I wish they would get into the flight sim business to show us all how it's done.
Nil Posted October 23, 2014 Author Posted October 23, 2014 I stood by my decicion I made at my own poll.. when I didn't know that the release were so imminent. So in the lack of a .5 system I still waivered about to give it a 7 or and 8.. as I currently would like to give it a 7.5 .. so it turned out to be an eight, as I actually still belive in the game, and it's future.The B-career in ROF wern't there at day one exactly and the weapon mods or fieldmods weren't for free there either.And compare the AI from ROF vs the one in BOS (except the cases where people reported them crashing into themselves, or your own plane) Bit the BOS AI on a one vs one or more, is pretty good at times.. not just spiraling down in a slow circle where you have the fight at treetop level
Trident_109 Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 I look at it this way. I read a lot of reviews and decide on what works for me based on a reviewer's similar likes and dislikes. If several posters detail why the campaign isn't really acceptable with thought out reasons, I'll likely align my opinion with theirs (based on similar likes and dislikes) and make my purchasing decision from that. There are several well written reviews on METACRITIC that detail the short comings of the campaign system. As a EA I'm aware of the short comings and agree with them. While the unlocks are annoying, it's the boring minimalist mission generator that ruins the experience for me. A hundred bucks is a lot of money to spend on something that I probably am not going to continue using for very long. I think it's a service to advise potential buyers with honest reviews and opinions. Based on the campaign system we have right now, I can't recommend BoS. Some may be willing to over look what I find unacceptable, purchase it and enjoy the game for other reasons, but I have given them an honest opinion. It's not about getting over it, sucking it up, or moving on. I won't denigrate the game by giving it a zero or one, but I certainly don't find a seven or eight to be fair either because of so little enjoyment I'll get from playing. People have the right to informed decisions and that's what I hopefully do when I post a review. 1
wellenbrecher Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) "all of its problem" so, go on, show ALL the problems. There are not many. It's one the few games that it not released as an open beta. The unlocks, well, it's a design choise. One of many in the game, it to be fair, not a gamebraking one. To pick one individual part out of hunderts and go full force to rage mode, giving 0 points is maximum retard is far away from being honest Released in a sorely incomplete state. Having a FMB and the ability to host MP (outside of some people blessed by the Devs) should've been utterly central to the experience of a game like this. The "campaign" is a string of slightly randomised QMB-presets. No story, no immersion, no drama, no continuity. Very limited set of planes and only snow/winter maps (expected, still a factual shortcoming). Schizophrenic graphical quality. Unlocks enforced on everybody. Despite being promoted and described as some sort of in-depth SP experience we have that bare-bones model and alreadey were promised pay-to-play third party content to make better stuff. Wow... To name the five big ones. If we want to add more: It's a bit of a shame that the visual DMs are so "standard" and not really trying anything innovative or in-depth. Then it's a shame that we have no comm system that either works or has a workable UI for it. It's a bit sad but by no means central that we can't compile our own ammo belts or select from different preset. Should I keep going? You may say it's not many, but for many customers or potential customers these things are deal-breakers. For many that have bought it already this means they made the decision to no longer buy any of the upcoming DLC/content packs. Or even play the game at all. The utter wilful waste of consumer good-will amongst many of the important elements for the success and longevity of a game such as this is a crying bloody shame. Just compare the forum three weeks ago and today. Edited October 23, 2014 by [JG2]G3_wellenbrecher 1
354thFG_Leifr Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Reviewing Stalingrad with a perfect 10 is just as damaging as providing a flat 0. Be objective and review fairly, anything else is just negligent. 4
LLv44_Mprhead Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Some of the "reviews" were quite funny. Like this part "If you're a proper simmer avoid this at all costs, it's the worst betrayal of the famous IL2 series since 1C dumped Cliffs of Dover." Kind of obvious where he is coming from... Anyway, gave it 8, since that is the score it deserves from my point of view. I can sort of understand someone giving it 4, maybe even 3, if all the stuff that is not so good are the only ones that matter for you. It's not 10, but it most certainly isn't 0 or 1 either. 1
1CGS =FB=LOFT Posted October 23, 2014 1CGS Posted October 23, 2014 Thanks. We trying. Some times this is not easy. But from the moment you choose your road, you have only 3 options, stop here, move forward or move back, but only one of them pushing you closer to the target. I mean, we working. We hope release means start. Early Access was preparation for take-off. 11
FlatSpinMan Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 We've been down this road once?twice? already. People are free to post as they like on Metacritic. We hope they are reasonable in their praise and criticism. If this topic is locked, it will be to prevent excess aggression between fellow forum members, not because of some censorship issue. Just post nicely without bad language or there will be editing, removing and banning going down, all of which should be completely unnecessary in a community of adult flight sim fans. 1
CaK_Rumcajs Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Reviewing Stalingrad with a perfect 10 is just as damaging as providing a flat 0. Be objective and review fairly, anything else is just negligent. We are given the option to score from 0 - 10. Why would we limit ourself to score like 3-8? It's not an objective score. It's highly subjective. It's everyones perception involved. I love BOS even in its not exactly perfect state. I consider my 10 pts as valid as someone else's 0. People who score the game at 0 probably dislike or even hate the features it has. So ok, it's their opinion and it's valid. Again those are subjective scores we give.
IIN8II Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Oh no....some people dont like BoS! Light the torches! Time to put up some 10's, right?!? That is the correct action to take, right? It worked so well ast time.... Get over it people. Not everyone thinks BoS is good. Just because some people dont have blinders on and are not so damn brand-loyal that they see flaws in this release, does not mean they are wrong. I see points on both the postive and negative that are spot on. Vaxx I do not believe to point is, "hey everyone make sure you go give it a 10 or else!" But rather if you enjoy the sim its important to say so people that are happy with something tend to be complacent. You don't have to pretend to like every aspect either. Reviews that appear honest and genuine hold the most weight whether they are positive or negative. 1
Bearcat Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Oh no....some people dont like BoS! Light the torches! Time to put up some 10's, right?!? That is the correct action to take, right? It worked so well ast time.... Get over it people. Not everyone thinks BoS is good. Just because some people dont have blinders on and are not so damn brand-loyal that they see flaws in this release, does not mean they are wrong. I see points on both the postive and negative that are spot on. That is not the issue for many. The issue is that regardless to what even it's worst critic may think BoS is not the arcade garbage that so many say it is. It just isn't.. unlocks, no ME at present, no skin templates and all the other things that have people acting like someone broke into their house not withstanding.. the sim is not that bad and it is certainly not deserving of any overall rating below a 5 by any standard. The fact that most of the harshest critics of BoS on any forum in cyberspace are some of the same folks who have been trashing it and it's developer .. and it's community (indirectly by insinuating that we must be a bunch of arcade loving dummies who don't know what a real sim is... like the one that these aces prefer... ) from the beginning. Even after buying it it is almost as if they were not buying it to give it a chance.. just buying it so they could later say .. "See I told you it was garbage.. and I bought it.. and it's garbage!!" . Of course I am not saying that every critic of BoS is that way .. but many of the loudest harshest ones are. These are some of the same guys who as soon as the DC SWWII project was announced they jumped on it like pink on pork.. insinuating.. ".. now we will have another real sim...." and we all see how that turned out. I have said it before and I will say it again.. warts and all this sim will stand on it's own merits, of which there are plenty. From where I sit ... if CoD can still be around after the debacle that it was... and developer abandonment then I have no doubts for now about this sim based on it's team and the product itself. 8
1PL-Banzai-1Esk Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Since Metacritic score is more important than some people think I will log in there to submit my review. I read that the dev team for Fallout New Vegas missed out on their bonuses because Metacritic score was two points short of what the investors expected. Now even if you think that Metacritic is a useless tool you should still submit your review for sake of fairness, we already supported the devs financially but now it's time to put few kind words out there too get more objective view on the game and possibly attract new people to the sim.
avlSteve Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) Released in a sorely incomplete state. Having a FMB and the ability to host MP (outside of some people blessed by the Devs) should've been utterly central to the experience of a game like this. The "campaign" is a string of slightly randomised QMB-presets. No story, no immersion, no drama, no continuity. Very limited set of planes and only snow/winter maps (expected, still a factual shortcoming). Schizophrenic graphical quality. Unlocks enforced on everybody. Despite being promoted and described as some sort of in-depth SP experience we have that bare-bones model and alreadey were promised pay-to-play third party content to make better stuff. Wow... To name the five big ones. If we want to add more: It's a bit of a shame that the visual DMs are so "standard" and not really trying anything innovative or in-depth. Then it's a shame that we have no comm system that either works or has a workable UI for it. It's a bit sad but by no means central that we can't compile our own ammo belts or select from different preset. Should I keep going? You may say it's not many, but for many customers or potential customers these things are deal-breakers. For many that have bought it already this means they made the decision to no longer buy any of the upcoming DLC/content packs. Or even play the game at all. The utter wilful waste of consumer good-will amongst many of the important elements for the success and longevity of a game such as this is a crying bloody shame. Just compare the forum three weeks ago and today. Seems a little harsh, since it was only released yesterday. Can you give them a minute to continue on with it? Edited October 23, 2014 by avlSteve
Bussard_x Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Thanks. We trying. Some times this is not easy. But from the moment you choose your road, you have only 3 options, stop here, move forward or move back, but only one of them pushing you closer to the target. I mean, we working. We hope release means start. Early Access was preparation for take-off. Sounds promising. Already working on a new map?
ducs Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) Just wait for them to give out dserver and tools in hte next few weeks to review. We know what the game is capable of and we've see it with the Eagle's nest. And once its time to review, be honest and objective. The game isn't perfect, but its damn good and has the potential to be even better. But all those people with 0's and 2's. You can tell they are just emotionally unstable and on some weird e-vendetta. Edited October 23, 2014 by [TWB]ducs
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