How To IL-2, Not War Thunder

[LeadTurn_SD]

I think posting and understanding the "Rules" for a given server is a great idea.... but "Vulching" has been and will probably always be a fact of life in most online servers.

 

And "Vulching" was also a fact of life in WW2.

 

While "honor" and "fair play" may have been practiced to varying degrees during WWI (at least in the beginning), it very quickly died in WW2. 

 

Intentional pilot "killing" (sometimes while they hung in parachutes, or as they tried to bail out from a damaged aircraft) is well documented, and all sides played that game.   Shooting an enemy on final approach or takeoff was fair game.  Shooting pilots, aircraft, ground crew as they scurried for cover or their aircraft on their airbase was also just fine.

 

It was understood, quite coldly perhaps, that a well-trained pilot was far more valuable than the aircraft he flew.  In the heat of battle, perhaps after watching a close friend go down in flames, pilots from both sides were not inclined to let a skilled opponent in a badly damaged plane live to fight another day, especially if that pilot could bail out over friendly territory and be back in the fight within hours.

 

Having said all that, I think it is a good thing to let your opponent bail or belly land.  If you've killed the aircraft, you've accomplished your goal and move to your next "victim".  Let the other pilot try to coax is plane in for a belly landing.

 

Best wishes. 

[Gort]

I would have flown alongside you and rendered an honorable salute.

 

Then I would have flamed your Jerry Arse so you couldn't bomb my wife and kids anymore!

 

That said, I would have hoisted a Vodka in your honor at evening mess.

Edited October 24, 2014 by Victory205

[Czar66]

I find the effort on informing how to act closer to WWII pilots did is constructive and interesting, but the community is pretty green at the moment. The game just released, there's a lot of new pilots finding their way into the game. There's a lot of players who jump in a Yaks, Laggs, 109s, 190s even Pes and 111s to unleash havoc as much the aircraft is able to, even nonconstructively. It's a game after all....for the most part.

 

In other hand, I found myself in the last 6 months learning a lot of public Multiplayer on sims ethics and improved upon it. Beginning with CloD.

I can no more vulch in a enemy airfield as realised the damage it did. We are playing together. It all came from forum information like these.

 

Singleplaying in Il-2 older titles and other sims/games do educate to do such thing, but they're not wrong. In WWII vulching was a legit tactic. Some planes did shot down others even when the target was on final approach on landing. War is war. We can only advert and informing this is another kind of deal.

 

Ofcourse, IF the server is hosting a game that plane numbers and plane losses take part into score and victory it's another kind of matter and the server can authorize based upon game rules.

 

If someone with high knowledge on what-to-do and what-to-not-do in a public MP server would make a list of rules very well written and organised, maybe even each server having one, it would be appreciated to those who find a little confusing these ethics and knowledge of communication between enemies and friendlies.

 

Some may not able to realize the damage behind some actions. Games/sims like this has a very complex environment and very fragile.

 

All the effort on information is a welcome one. +1

 

Good Landings 

Edited October 24, 2014 by FeliusCzar

[Cybermat47]

It's kind of ironic that people are calling this sort of thing the result of a 'gamer' mentality, when it happened in real life as well.

 

Wanting to shoot down a damaged aircraft for XP isn't much different from shooting down a damaged aircraft for a medal, or to gain respect from your squadron mates if you were new. Hell, the only reason Franz Stigler went up after 'Ye Olde Pub' was because he saw the damaged bomber as a ticket to getting the Knight's Cross.

[39bn_pavig]

Perhaps we should call it sociopathic behavior instead.

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

I will always remember what a WWII US fighter pilot in Europe had to say about the enemy.  "I didn't dislike the Germans, I hated the sons of bitches."

[HagarTheHorrible]

I suppose the logical thing to do, in order to cut short all discussion around this topic, and it's really very simple. As soon as you are shot down / killed according to the game, even if as a pilot you are still in rude health and the aircraft is still airborne, put it into a vertical dive and jump out thus denying any nare-do-wells the pleasure of wasting any ammo on you.

 

It's really very simple. If you want to keep flying then you should expect the consequences.

[LLv34_Untamo]

S!

 

I'm all in with the "war is hell" mentality. If I see an enemy plane, I will destroy it. Not injure it and then let it limp home to be repaired and then used again against my side. Only if I'm sure that the plane won't reach home, I let it go. I don't personally care about the artificial point/score systems. I try to act as the pilots did during WWII, try to keep myself and my wingmen safe, and if the opportunity comes, destroy the enemy.

 

If I get vulched, it's not the vulchers "fault", it is mine. Why did I take off from a front field when I could've taken the safer back field? I rarely make that mistake .. I rarely vulch myself, but if the opportunity presents itself where I can do it safely, I will take it.

 

Mission briefings on the servers should point out, that you should cover the front fields from vulchers. Mission design should include lot of AAA on the front fields also as deterrance, as it was in real war.

Edited October 24, 2014 by LLv34_Untamo

[Trooper117]

It all sounds quite realistic to me.... and let's face it, the Russians hated the jerries with a vengeance!

 

When I have played online with any combat sim, I don't ever expect 'gentlemanly behaviour' ...

 

I get vulched coming into land or just after taking off, well, that's realistic too, and many pilots and crew were lost that way.

Russian pilots were known to have rammed enemy aircraft to bring them down as well.

As others have stated, there is also the 'gamers mentality'... they want explosions and fire and they want their monies worth when they kill something.

I have even been shot at in a parachute... didn't like it I have to say and thought it was a bit unsporting... but again in happened.

Dowding even said that 'the Germans have every right to shoot at pilots in parachutes' as those same pilots would likely be up again that same afternoon shooting down more Germans... such is life!

 

Having said this, I was always happy to see that for the majority of time I flew online there were actually lots of gentlemanly pilots about, and good camaraderie on both sides of the fence

But if I met some git who had vulched me on take off, or was taking particular pleasure in showing me no mercy when I was obviously doomed,  then such is life, and death in an air war.

 

By the way, putting down your undercarriage would cut no ice with me if I was attacking an aircraft... in my mind it's simply hydraulic failure, so you might still receive the whole nine yards... lol!

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I tend to fly with honor for the most part; no chute killing, vulch only after getting vulched two or more times on startup, etc. I'm not terribly concerned about others behavior, unless it's excessive, or poor behavior by a wingman/teammate. There are different personalities, ages, styles and maturity levels.

 

What you should be upset about is no teammates came to your aid or escorted you in the first place. I know I would have.

 

But honestly, if you are airborne I couldn't care less about your landing gear or lights. You are a target. It's as simple as that.

Edited October 24, 2014 by HerrMurf

[M4rgaux]

I've seen some bad behavior too...

While I was voluntarily crash-landed at the enemy airfield with my pe2, in order to gently eliminate every plane spawning on the runway with my mighty gunner (it's only trolling if I say so, and I don't), some bad axis pilot took off somewhere else and did 5 pass to kill me !!!!

Since I landed without my wheels I was already shot down, therefor he got no point ! Such behavior musn't be permitted !!!

 

BTW, I didn't get any kill doing that, kills belong to the plane... Must be a bug... 

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Also,

 

I take great pleasure flying CAP over a forward base to protect my teammates in the pattern and killing vultures before heading east.

 

"Who's house? Run's house!"

 

And M4rgaux, don't sell yourself short. You are a pain in the @$$ in the air too. In a good way! ~S

Edited October 24, 2014 by HerrMurf