FlatSpinMan Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 I hear you, guys. No need for that kind of sneering attitude about how someone chooses to play a videogame.
=LD=Hethwill Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Not sure why the developers are avoiding the conversation about Multi player servers. Because the system is not yet fully ready to be made available to everyone ? And those that have access to it are helping in its development and testing ? Glad we have Official mock up sandbox servers and then a couple with the "community" testers setup. In months we will all have our slice of the cake. First I challenge you all to fill all available servers at prime time for 2 weeks in a row. That means more MP places are needed... Got it ?
[TWB]80hd Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 And this is one of the biggest reasons why the majority of players never venture online. Who wants to spend time around egos like this? Ego? Because I can't understand why you'd pay $100 to ignore literally the best part of the game? That equates to ego? Hahahahaha... alright then. Have fun playing alone, I guess... I have 100x more fun getting shot down online (And believe me, that's usually what is happening) than I do winning in the campaign. Either you guys have had some seriously bad experiences in the past or.... I dunno man... but that response to my post... breathtaking. I give you my solemn promise that you are going to have more fun, and actually become a better pilot, by flying online. There has been exactly 0 smack talk (except one guy whining about 109s being easy mode - and that was intrasquad) during our little Tuesday night war-parties... So... if my opinion that ignoring the best part of the sim is nauseating somehow comes off as egotistical to you... I don't really know what to say other than I promise it doesn't actually hurt getting shot by real players. I've never in my life experienced a better online community than BoS... if anything, it's too quiet. Sure people are going to piss and moan about various things, yes you're going to get strafed on the ground... yes you're going to get killed both by people better than you AND by people worse than you... but it's exponentially more rewarding. Some people might say "if you're having fun playing offline, why stop?!" where as I would say "don't sell yourself short". But either way... thicken that skin up a bit, if you think that my nausea is induced by ego... it's literally the opposite. I see a bunch of people that would have more fun, and in turn allow me to have more fun, by engaging in human vs human combat online. It's not just more people to shoot and get shot down by, it's more people to cover and be covered by. And for you dedicated bomber/ground attackers... this is the first sim I have ever played online that allows bombers/attackers to compete: Watch the end of this highlight: http://www.twitch.tv/pand_twb/c/5317139 You DO have to cover each other, but a couple Stukas take out 2 La-5s... If you plan on getting better as a pilot, shake off that anxiety and get in now... there aren't that many absolutely amazing sticks out there...yet. (By the way, this post is funny to me because I am one of the least effective pilots in my squad... I promise you, if I same something that comes off as egotistical or elitist, I am either joking or you are missing something in translation) 4
FlatSpinMan Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 What comes off as sounding elitist or egotistical is pretty much everything you posted. Look, I'm glad you like online play. The TWB guys seem a good positive bunch, so great. Have fun with it. But some people, according to the Devs, the vast majority, just don't like online. That's totally fine, too. End of story. 5
Mastermariner Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Kinda makes me sad, theres a total of 15 people playing online atm.That's your "community" mate. The rest of us are happy offline. Master 2
t4trouble Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Very strange thread so close to final release,I think some of the old MP crowd will not grind offline to get unlocks and find it hard to go play because choice is taken away and i'm one of them, that is my choice. I was going to gift a game to one of my squad members so we could fly MP but he has very limited time 3-4 hours once a week.Offline grind don't work for some of us. 1
Brano Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 For those lazy to translate LOFT,yesterday,russian forum Work on additional software starts tomorrow. Viewer for authors skins, Editor and Dedicated Server. First you will likely get a server, and then the viewer and later the entire editor, will be updated and update the game for a long time. http://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/topic/2045-obsuzhdenie-83-j-chasti-dnevnikov-razrabotchika/?p=219145
SR-F_Winger Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Well, in germany every normal one is working right now:)
[TWB]80hd Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 What comes off as sounding elitist or egotistical is pretty much everything you posted. Look, I'm glad you like online play. The TWB guys seem a good positive bunch, so great. Have fun with it. But some people, according to the Devs, the vast majority, just don't like online. That's totally fine, too. End of story. Wow... okay... First off, this thread is specifically about multiplayer being dead... why are single-player only players posting in it at all? Second, you're a moderator, not a thread babysitter... I have never said anything personal against anyone... however, YOU on the otherhand cannot make the same claim. So why don't YOU cool it with the personal attacks. I am not elitist, or egotistical. Don't call me that, and don't tell me "end of story". 3
Feathered_IV Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 MP flying is enjoyed by literally dozens of people. Dozens. 2
Brano Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Dont remember who had this idea (think it was HagarTheTerrible) to split this forum,now after official release, into 2 basic parts:OFFline and ONline.First I did not get it but now I completly understand.
[TWB]80hd Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 MP flying is enjoyed by literally dozens of people. Dozens. Ahhhh so it's cool for you "single-player only" guys to come in and troll threads about multiplayer? Noted. 1
Trooper117 Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 And this is one of the biggest reasons why the majority of players never venture online. Who wants to spend time around egos like this? I agree... 1
Feathered_IV Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Ahhhh so it's cool for you "single-player only" guys to come in and troll threads about multiplayer? Noted. You wanted to know where everyone is. I'm telling you.
7.GShAP/Silas Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) You're taking a simulation of air combat, war between humans, and rather than choosing to fill those aircraft with humans you fill them with computers(with the AI being the most obvious weakness of any simulation) . I admit I find the idea alien and disappointing(because I want more people to struggle with/against!), but I certainly can't force anyone to fly with and against their fellow humans. I'm glad emphasis has been placed on the multiplayer aspect of the game, though. I think a large portion of newcomers to the series are going to focus their attention on multiplayer, which will act as a counterweight to the older simmers who stick offline. Times are changing. Just my guess. Edited October 23, 2014 by Silas
FlatSpinMan Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 TWB guy - I did not attack you. You said in your post that if it sounded elitist or egotistical it was not your intention, or words to that effect. I pointed out, echoing your phrasing, in my position as moderator, that your post could in fact very easily be read to sound exactly the way you hoped it would not, because of the style and tone of your post. Now if you want to discuss this issue further, PM me or any other moderator and we will discuss it. As to people who prefer single player posting here, they are within their rights. Pointing out that 'one reason the servers aren't busy is due to many people not liking multiplayer gaming' does not equal trolling. It is contributing to the discussion.
[TWB]80hd Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 You wanted to know where everyone is. I'm telling you. Oh, then thank you for the tip! Here's one for you: Flight sims are like intimate relationships... sure I can have a good time all by myself... but once I started involving another person, I realized how primitive playing with myself really is. Yeah there is an increased level of risk, but the rewards are increased geometrically. I used to be pretty egotistical... I refused to fly online because I couldn't handle the thought of getting my tail kicked by another person... sure I would say "I don't fly online because of the egos!" Or whatever excuse made me feel better... but in the end, it was because I didn't like to lose... and while air combat against AI can be frustrating, air combat against another real live brain is frightening. But, one day, through the miracle of alcohol, I overcame that ego... I suppressed it... and I went online, and I got my ass kicked for about a year... but the entire time I had a blast... things started clicking... I wasn't a great pilot, but I could defend myself... and looking back on the days when I was a "single-player only" kind of guy, I wished I would have had the intestinal fortitude to take the next step years ago. I dunno how to convey that, but I will say that those casting stones about egos should open their windows first... I'm not afraid to get shot down, by real people, over and over again... even if I may hear something that hurts my feelings. Are you? 2
IIN8II Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Ego? Because I can't understand why you'd pay $100 to ignore literally the best part of the game? That equates to ego? Hahahahaha... alright then. Have fun playing alone, I guess... I have 100x more fun getting shot down online (And believe me, that's usually what is happening) than I do winning in the campaign. Either you guys have had some seriously bad experiences in the past or.... I dunno man... but that response to my post... breathtaking. I give you my solemn promise that you are going to have more fun, and actually become a better pilot, by flying online. There has been exactly 0 smack talk (except one guy whining about 109s being easy mode - and that was intrasquad) during our little Tuesday night war-parties... So... if my opinion that ignoring the best part of the sim is nauseating somehow comes off as egotistical to you... I don't really know what to say other than I promise it doesn't actually hurt getting shot by real players. I've never in my life experienced a better online community than BoS... if anything, it's too quiet. Sure people are going to piss and moan about various things, yes you're going to get strafed on the ground... yes you're going to get killed both by people better than you AND by people worse than you... but it's exponentially more rewarding. Some people might say "if you're having fun playing offline, why stop?!" where as I would say "don't sell yourself short". But either way... thicken that skin up a bit, if you think that my nausea is induced by ego... it's literally the opposite. I see a bunch of people that would have more fun, and in turn allow me to have more fun, by engaging in human vs human combat online. It's not just more people to shoot and get shot down by, it's more people to cover and be covered by. And for you dedicated bomber/ground attackers... this is the first sim I have ever played online that allows bombers/attackers to compete: Watch the end of this highlight: http://www.twitch.tv/pand_twb/c/5317139 You DO have to cover each other, but a couple Stukas take out 2 La-5s... If you plan on getting better as a pilot, shake off that anxiety and get in now... there aren't that many absolutely amazing sticks out there...yet. (By the way, this post is funny to me because I am one of the least effective pilots in my squad... I promise you, if I same something that comes off as egotistical or elitist, I am either joking or you are missing something in translation) For some people the single player aspect is the best part of the game, no need to get sick over it . 4
=LD=Penshoon Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Are guys arguing about who is the best at having fun in the game? Your opinions about gameplay don't conflict with each other in any way. 1
[TWB]80hd Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 For some people the single player aspect is the best part of the game, no need to get sick over it . I'm not sick about them, or their behavior... I simply considered, for a second, the scenario where I dropped $100 on a game that I would only ever play by myself... and after having spent the last 3 or 4 days playing the campaign on and off, it made me ill hahahahaha Nothing against anyone who's having a blast doing that... I just hope we get more guys/gals willing to take the plunge. (I mean... my wife plays multiplayer... )
Trooper117 Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 I've played for years on MP with the old IL2. We had massive wars and the whole MP scene was vibrant and exciting, with many of us online daily in our respective squadrons or as individuals. You could say many of us 'lived for it'... Something has changed since then I have to say, sadly. Without doubt, there are MP players who do look down on SP members. I have to say I was never afraid of getting shot down, it was never about that. All the people in the squadron were there for the thrill of applying WWII tactics, the camaraderie, the team work, and more importantly, accomplishing the mission. Slowly, though, for many other people, it came down to the prestige of 'stats', almost worn like a bloody penis extension... Then the ego's started coming in to play. You could see it in the forums... ''oh yeah!... get online and fight me and we'll see what's what'' pathetic! Once that crap started on most aviation combat forums I played online less and less sad to say. I have yet to go online with BoS... I was hoping to find that attitudes may have changed.
wellenbrecher Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 That is nice you can play on the EU server. Sux most Canadians would like a server with good latency as well! Geezus, did you ever try or did you just look at the number and moved on? By that logic I should've never been able to play on Eagle's Nest with my EU ping, and yet that was all I ever bloody did... 1
[TWB]80hd Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 I've played for years on MP with the old IL2. We had massive wars and the whole MP scene was vibrant and exciting, with many of us online daily in our respective squadrons or as individuals. You could say many of us 'lived for it'... Something has changed since then I have to say, sadly. Without doubt, there are MP players who do look down on SP members. I have to say I was never afraid of getting shot down, it was never about that. All the people in the squadron were there for the thrill of applying WWII tactics, the camaraderie, the team work, and more importantly, accomplishing the mission. Slowly, though, for many other people, it came down to the prestige of 'stats', almost worn like a bloody penis extension... Then the ego's started coming in to play. You could see it in the forums... ''oh yeah!... get online and fight me and we'll see what's what'' pathetic! Once that crap started on most aviation combat forums I played online less and less sad to say. I have yet to go online with BoS... I was hoping to find that attitudes may have changed. I have yet to see ANY bad attitudes flying BoS MP... like I said above, so far it's the best MP community in a Sim I have seen... Some people seem shell-shocked, and appear to be taking things the wrong way, at least on the forum here. Syndicate and Eagle's Nest do not/did not tolerate shenanigans... I am positive LD's server is the same way. I'm not going to say you're not going to run into anyone who is not having a bad day, but there has been none of what you are describing while I have played online. A lot of salutes and "nice shots". Geezus, did you ever try or did you just look at the number and moved on? By that logic I should've never been able to play on Eagle's Nest with my EU ping, and yet that was all I ever bloody did... He's right man, I connect from Kansas, ping isn't that big of a deal in a flight sim. Give it a shot!
=362nd_FS=Hiromachi Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 I have to say I was never afraid of getting shot down, it was never about that. All the people in the squadron were there for the thrill of applying WWII tactics, the camaraderie, the team work, and more importantly, accomplishing the mission. Slowly, though, for many other people, it came down to the prestige of 'stats', almost worn like a bloody penis extension... Then the ego's started coming in to play. You could see it in the forums... ''oh yeah!... get online and fight me and we'll see what's what'' pathetic! Once that crap started on most aviation combat forums I played online less and less sad to say. Very true. Though the ego was always apparent around forums and was also a case of fighter pilots in real life, the games which featured statistics, especially open for others to see were usually full of such. Positive K/D ratio, Positive W/L ratio ... Jesus, and where is part of simulation ? Where is joy of flying ? Everyone goes for easiest plane and ends up in beating to the ground the other side, for the sake of stats ... In the meantime I will go with Il-2 and scare the s*** of the tankers. Only wish servers featured more tasks for bombers/ground attackers so we wont end in fighters vs fighters only. 1
Trooper117 Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 I'll get round to giving BoS MP a go at some stage no doubt... Co-ops and online wars will be the carrot to get myself, and I suspect a lot of others to come back to MP. If it just ends up with servers for stat whores, (is that the common term?) dogfights etc, then I will have no interest.
=LD=Hethwill Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Well... 120 spots to be tested http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/11977-loose-deuce-heavy-metal-server/ Surely it is not dead when it is just at its birth... right ? 2
[TWB]80hd Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Hey guys, please let me apologize for my "I just threw up in my mouth a little bit" comment... It was supposed to be funny: Not at all meant to belittle or to insinuate that those who play single-player make me ill. (After all, we ALL have to play SP, right?) There are apparently a lot of hard feelings under the surface between the dedicated single-player and dedicated multi-player base, and it's not at all my intention to exacerbate that chasm. I personally feel that the rewards and satisfaction from playing against other players so far outweighs going up against AI that my response to things related to AI may be misconstrued. This is partially due to my OWN bad experiences with the AI gunners and AAA in other games. I've been playing sims online for a long time now, and the story tends to universally be that even though everyone starts out as a single-player flyer to some degree or other, those that end up flying multiplayer tend to agree that it's simply more rewarding... there is a reason games like Aces High have large player gatherings every year or so... to meet the people you fly with. I am being dead honest when I say that the social interactions while flying online in BoS have been stellar... and that's unprecedented in my flight sim history. So, in closing, do whatever makes you happy, but at least don't let perceptions and prior experiences prevent you from flying multiplayer in BoS. 1
Dakpilot Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 It does seem a little premature to declare it dead before the game has hit the shelves, been officially reviewed at mainstream places, and the main tools for MP have yet to be released Cheers Dakpilot
[TWB]80hd Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 It does seem a little premature to declare it dead before the game has hit the shelves, been officially reviewed at mainstream places, and the main tools for MP have yet to be released Cheers Dakpilot I think the OP, like many of us, is still a little frustrated that prior to the release of the campaign, the locking of the field-mods, and the Eagle's Nest being murdered, we had 50-100+ players online from EU to US prime-time. Now it's a ghost town, and the release hasn't changed that. I too, however, believe that this is just a transitory state and that the best of MP is yet to come.
Mikey Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 i connect from mideast usa, even with server browser saying 180 ping for eu server it seems no different then the 80 ping i get in us server
wellenbrecher Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) Exactly! Two few people actually seem to try servers with "too high" ping. It's not a FPS, it's just fine even with 150 or something. I think the OP, like many of us, is still a little frustrated that prior to the release of the campaign, the locking of the field-mods, and the Eagle's Nest being murdered, we had 50-100+ players online from EU to US prime-time. Now it's a ghost town, and the release hasn't changed that. Same here, I really hope that for example =SE= comes back with a server as fantastic as their old one. Yesterday would've been too late for my taste. Edited October 23, 2014 by [JG2]G3_wellenbrecher
Urra Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Ping of 130 worked just fine yesterday. I managed to dogfight just fine. Was surprised to be honest. Although the ping of 20-30 was much more attractive in =SE=, when looking at the list.
[TWB]dillon_biz Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 I'll bite. People who limit themselves to single player exclusively are peasants. How someone can sit there and fight mindless bots just blows my mind. Ya'll must be great at parties too.
Dakpilot Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Exactly! Two few people actually seem to try servers with "too high" ping. It's not a FPS, it's just fine even with 150 or something. Same here, I really hope that for example =SE= comes back with a server as fantastic as their old one. Yesterday would've been too late for my taste. Seems the those are being run/tested on the new 130 player LD server Cheers Dakpilot
theOden Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 I'll bite. People who limit themselves to single player exclusively are peasants. How someone can sit there and fight mindless bots just blows my mind. Ya'll must be great at parties too. Seriously? What kind of bunch are you TWB folks? 2
SYN_Mike77 Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 I live in the "hollers" of eastern Kentucky, The heart of Appalachia and I can fly just fine on european servers. If I can do it, you can too! Well, unless you use DSL or live down under. Then, well, I do really feel sorry for you. Really, don't read anything elitist in that, I just feel bad for you. If you don't like MP, then fine, don't play. But don't stay away from a server because its based in europe!
[TWB]dillon_biz Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) Seriously? What kind of bunch are you TWB folks? Oh I'm sorry, I thought everyone was here just to throw their irrelevant opinion on single player in a thread that is about multiplayer. My bad. Edited October 23, 2014 by [TWB]dillon_biz
[TWB]Pand Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 I live in the "hollers" of eastern Kentucky, The heart of Appalachia and I can fly just fine on european servers. If I can do it, you can too! Well, unless you use DSL or live down under. Then, well, I do really feel sorry for you. Really, don't read anything elitist in that, I just feel bad for you. If you don't like MP, then fine, don't play. But don't stay away from a server because its based in europe! I'm out of LexVegas! It's CANtucky not CANTucky! WOOOO WOOOO!
Yakmaster Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Seriously? What kind of bunch are you TWB folks? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpZxRLIVwt8 good old WT gamers
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