Unlock Modifications is a boring process to be honest...

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 IBTL

[FlatSpinMan]

Whaaaat are you guys doing here??!! We can't allow this kind of antagonism towards other members. What is going on these days?!

[SYN_Haashashin]

Well, as FSM said, we cant allow this kind of conducts in here so I cleaned it.

[III/JG11_Tiger]

I own the game. Since they introduced the unlock this is about the second time I have fired up the game. I looked at the ping to the syndicate server and tried to convince myself I should start to grind the unlocks in SP... I then closed the game. Kudos to the idiot  who thought unlocks was a great idea.

Im much the same haven't had a go since the unlock fiasco, not sure if I have the time to bother, and when I pay good money for a product I want to use how I like, this is why I have an android phonr and never touch Apple products.

 

Damn shame as a few in our squadron were thinking about coming out of retirement but unlikely to happen with the current setup.

[=SqSq=Sulaco]

Im much the same haven't had a go since the unlock fiasco, not sure if I have the time to bother, and when I pay good money for a product I want to use how I like, this is why I have an android phonr and never touch Apple products.

 

Damn shame as a few in our squadron were thinking about coming out of retirement but unlikely to happen with the current setup.

I didn't mind unlocking them myself and managed to bang 'em all out fairly quickly but the guys I usually fly with just aren't interested in the grinding and because of that have no interest in flying online right now.

 

That's been the biggest bummer for me concerning the unlocks, losing solid guys to fly with.

Edited October 24, 2014 by 72ndSulaco

[avlSteve]

I wish they would replace aircraft modifications with something else to unlock.  A medal, a video, item of clothing, anything that doesn't affect flying.

 

That would let the dev team keep the unlock system in place, and I think it would relieve much of the animosity toward it.

[Trooper117]

Its kinda forcing us to play 20-30 hours (or even more) of single player to be able to experience "full" game in MP... Any hint about how to unlocks things a little bit faster, I don't want to jump in to MP with no unlock,,~

Use auto pilot on, and time skip to x16 that's... no wait,... they stopped us doing that! (it's like a polite Russian telling off, lol!)

So it's either MP without specific load outs you would like, or nose to the grind old chap

Edited October 24, 2014 by Trooper117

[ST_ami7b5]

OTOH,

thanks to the unlocks I 're-discovered'  my DCS modules which were collecting dust in the corner

[KoN_]

i hate the unlocks ...and the lack of thought for the paying customer that bought early .

Also no mini map.

silly 109 nose bug.

i want proper skins .

i want proper pilot career

proper medals that i have earned

Edited October 24, 2014 by II./JG77_Con

[bigchump]

Ok, I spent many more than the 4 hours I get credit for - where is the medal for surviving numerous CTD's?

[Bumfluff]

Short missions Expert...I was able to do it in under 40 hours. Also there not unlocks there Field mods.

40 hours? Who has 40 hours to waste?

[[TWB]80hd]

I know the "Great Unlock Battle" has already been fought and we lost... I know that.

 

I'm not even complaining, in fact I've been flying the campaign like 90% of the time.

 

However, considering the furor over Metacriticgate... I found it interesting to observe how a community isolated from ours would feel about the "unlocks".

 

I'd been doing 777/1C's marketing job for them over on the Aces High BBS... (not to steal players, but because some of them play a lot of different flight sims).... showing them trailers and twitch highlights... to mostly favorable responses.

 

At release I went over and let them know it was out, with the caveat that they'd have to unlock things (playstation style, as one user put it) and so far it has been met with universal derision... I figured at least a dozen players would buy it on day one, and many more over time once they told their squads, etc...   exactly 0 people that weren't early access have purchased it.

 

Take from that what you will, but the responses ranged from "I think I'll wait for a sale."  to "No thanks, pass."

[Trooper117]

And I think the dev's are kicking themselves because of that kind of backlash... if they are not they should be!

 

Still, let's hope they change their minds, here's hoping

[III/JG11_Tiger]

I think this is the first time I've owned a new and exciting FS and not immediately played it , I'm just not sure I want, or have the spare time, to invest hours into unlocking some things I thought I already had when I bought in early, the lack of numbers online compared to before the crazy decision on unlocks is stark in the message it sends or at least should send to the Devs and also makes it hard to find a server with enough players to make it enjoyable at the moment although I'm sure that will pick up

 

I certainly haven't given up all together but it is hard to understand why anyone would make a decision like this and to think it could be reversed so easily ending a lot of negative publicity and sentiment immediately.

[[TWB]80hd]

As someone who dropped close to $100 (twice, mind you) on this game in Early Access, I would be absolutely fine with them coming out with a $25/$30 version of the game that started you off with the Lagg-3 and the 109F4 and made you earn every single unlock and every other plane (except the premium planes), and then included ALL "unlocks" with the $60/$100 version.  Everyone wins there.  But there is this NOT ONE STEP BACK mentality that I think will be impossible to overcome.

 

Sorry for beating a dead horse, but sometimes they get back up hahaha

 

[siipperi]

This game NEEDS multiplayer unlocking option. Give 10-20 points per destroyed plane, tank.... There are absolutely no reason to force people play singleplayer if they don't like it. And im singleplayer guy mostly... Give us options to play game how we like.

[Talisman]

I think this is the first time I've owned a new and exciting FS and not immediately played it , I'm just not sure I want, or have the spare time, to invest hours into unlocking some things I thought I already had when I bought in early, the lack of numbers online compared to before the crazy decision on unlocks is stark in the message it sends or at least should send to the Devs and also makes it hard to find a server with enough players to make it enjoyable at the moment although I'm sure that will pick up

 

I certainly haven't given up all together but it is hard to understand why anyone would make a decision like this and to think it could be reversed so easily ending a lot of negative publicity and sentiment immediately.

Well put Tiger, I have lost enthusiasm for BoS at the moment as I am a squad player in MP and we are just not getting into this unlock thing as a group.  Unlocks appear to have killed enthusiasm and made it harder for squads to FLY TOGETHER as an organised group.  The other thing that is putting me off is that I have to turn joystick FFB off in-game to be able to control the pitch axis with my Saitek Cyborg evo force feed-back joystick.  A few months ago I would have thought it would be unbelievable to be so down beat about this product just at the time of release.  Maybe BoS is going to be a slow burner and will get there eventually, but right now I think many hard core flight simmers are a bit disappointed.

It is just such an anti-climax.

[Sokol1]

"...with the Lagg-3 and the 109F4 and made you earn every single unlock and every other plane"

 

That Campaign is done exactly for this version, that will be sold in...

[[TWB]Pand]

Well put Tiger, I have lost enthusiasm for BoS at the moment as I am a squad player in MP and we are just not getting into this unlock thing as a group.  Unlocks appear to have killed enthusiasm and made it harder for squads to FLY TOGETHER as an organised group.  

What limitations from an unlock standpoint have prevented you from flying together in MP?

 

Just because Pilot A has a "removed headrest" and Pilot B does not, or pilot C has gun pods, and Pilot D has nothing, does that truly prevent a squad from flying as an organized group?  

 

To be clear I'm not happy with the BS unlocks--- but we haven't had an issues coordinating attacks, escorts, and so forth.

Edited October 24, 2014 by [TWB]Pand

[[TWB]dillon_biz]

What limitations from an unlock standpoint have prevented you from flying together in MP?

 

Just because Pilot A has a "removed headrest" and Pilot B does not, or pilot C has gun pods, and Pilot D has nothing, does that truly prevent a squad from flying as an organized group?  

 

To be clear I'm not happy with the BS unlocks--- but we haven't had an issues coordinating attacks, escorts, and so forth

 

Edited October 24, 2014 by [TWB]dillon_biz

[[TWB]80hd]

I'm simply not flying with you jerks until I have the stupid red prototype Yak skin.

 

You guys are like a combination of middle-school girls and Internet bullies.

 

I hate you.

 

(Spoiler: This is TWB)

 

[Trooper117]

Ah, the TWB's are going for the 'Red Baron' look eh? (by the way, if you all looked like that I'd send you back to school)

[[TWB]80hd]

This might be more appropriate for the crowd around here...

 

 

 

Still kind of aggressive.  Just my opinion, please don't take offense.

[Nerd_Rage]

you could always just set the speed to 2X and let the plane fly on autopilot and go do some chores.... just saying...

[Bearcat]

The unlock exclude our squad to be active, very few of us got the time for this crap. I really cannot understand why the developers choose to ignore 90 % of the customers

 

That was one of my main concerns with the whole idea. That it would turn folks with little time.. like me off from it. Penalizing me for having a lot on my plate.

 

Shouldn't have to grind though unlocks, to be honest. The fun if playing the sim should be actually playing the sim. gg.

 

I agree.. it is what it is for now though so I am sucking it up and doing what I have to.

 

What kind of "unlocks'' do you miss to fully enjoy MP? Each plane has its standard equipment right from the beginning.

 

Good point.. but I still want to get the whole sim so I am going through it..

 

101 in sales:

 

- It is NEVER a good idea to give your customer the impression of "no choice" in his product !

 

I agree... even if it is an erroneous impression based on brano's post quoted above.

 

I can see why people don't like it, but think of the new players to the game. They'll hit MP with at least some idea of what to do, and I think that's one reason for doing it.

 

Probably.. but it still was a bad idea.. One of the few missteps IMO. It still does not take away from the fact that this is a good sim.

[[TWB]80hd]

 

 

 It still does not take away from the fact that this is a good sim.

 

100% agreed.

[ChillaSteve]

I know the "Great Unlock Battle" has already been fought and we lost... I know that.

 

I'm not even complaining, in fact I've been flying the campaign like 90% of the time.

 

However, considering the furor over Metacriticgate... I found it interesting to observe how a community isolated from ours would feel about the "unlocks".

 

I'd been doing 777/1C's marketing job for them over on the Aces High BBS... (not to steal players, but because some of them play a lot of different flight sims).... showing them trailers and twitch highlights... to mostly favorable responses.

 

At release I went over and let them know it was out, with the caveat that they'd have to unlock things (playstation style, as one user put it) and so far it has been met with universal derision... I figured at least a dozen players would buy it on day one, and many more over time once they told their squads, etc...   exactly 0 people that weren't early access have purchased it.

 

Take from that what you will, but the responses ranged from "I think I'll wait for a sale."  to "No thanks, pass."

I came from Aces High. Bought 2 copies

[[TWB]80hd]

I came from Aces High. Bought 2 copies

 

Cool, who are you in Aces?

[[TWB]Pand]

This might be more appropriate for the crowd here...

 

[[TWB]80hd]

This might be more appropriate for the crowd here...

 

 

That's all you multiplayer elitists on the right.

[LuftManu]

Someone said that Unlock things was enjoyable and funny, I find them boring, because If I need Bombs for the 109, I need to put a mission with , Short duration, Expert, x2 time, shoot kill, Repeat 4 times, So yes, it is very boring.

[[TWB]Pand]

That's all you multiplayer elitists on the right.

With a cryin' Ginger up front!

[LuftManu]

and for be honest, I am the "Typical " crowd that plays Call of Duty and Battlefield, (I am not older than 25) And I hate this Unlock style, I dont find a place for Unlocks in DCS or in Clod or in `46 , Please, Games with Games and Sims with sims, dont mix. This is like I have a bigger >·"$" because I played for 2 hours more than you so I have bigger bombs.

[RoterBallon]

Haven't played since they introduced the unlock torture and won't play again until it stays as it is, unless you can play the unlock game in MP.

 

They might have put much efford in SP, but it is just god damn boring for me. 

It is as simple as it is. If it stays like that I won't be playing again,

I regret funding the EA project.

Edited October 24, 2014 by RoterBallon

[=SqSq=Sulaco]

Talk about first world problems.

 

The sim takes place over a frozen wasteland of death, misery and heartbreak, go watch a documentary on the actual Stalingrad and then think really hard about how difficult your life is and how terrible it is that you get to sit on your ass for 40 hours in your warm house unlocking some stuff in a videogame.

 

Are you kidding me?! 

Edited October 24, 2014 by 72ndSulaco

[siipperi]

and for be honest, I am the "Typical " crowd that plays Call of Duty and Battlefield, (I am not older than 25) And I hate this Unlock style, I dont find a place for Unlocks in DCS or in Clod or in `46 , Please, Games with Games and Sims with sims, dont mix. This is like I have a bigger >·"$" because I played for 2 hours more than you so I have bigger bombs.

I think there are some room for unlocks but it's not how they did it. It's linear, dull and feels extreamly glued on top of the game. And dont force people pick up either mp or sp in order to unlock stuff... Give xp from both.. And restricting all extra weapons and skins behind unlocks is just stupid.

[USAF77]

Yup. Most players who would want to buy a game like this already have digital flight experience. Even if they have never played IL2 they can get up to speed and competative quickly. I know $100 they WONT make and thats from me. They must be insane for putting this unlock mess into the game cause it will actually hurt their sales. Sure I'll "check back in 6 mos" and see where the game is at then, AND, how much money I can save. Check Back in 6 Mos. should be the marketing mantra of anything with IL2 stamped on it. At least since COD.

They'd also have the same result without an unlock system. Most games when having a unlock system involves being competitive to other human opponents which fuels there reason for unlocking something in the first place. However if most people are single players for this series this system serves no purpose what so ever.

 

I'm sure the average gamer who gives it a try won't be to bothered by it but I can't see how this method is going to boost sales. If anything I think it could potentially damage, as there are customers trying to avoid such games. 

 

War Thunder, World of Tanks, Mech Warrior online and many others have something all in common, they're all multiplayer only! Slapping this ridiculous system onto BoS has to be the worst decision. 

 

Talk about first world problems.

 

The sim takes place over a frozen wasteland of death, misery and heartbreak, go watch a documentary on the actual Stalingrad and then think really hard about how difficult your life is and how terrible it is that you get to sit on your ass for 40 hours in your warm house unlocking some stuff in a videogame.

 

Are you kidding me?!

Golly, now I feel guilty having to work 50 hours a week and not having the time for unlocks in my jammies in a heated house. Shame on you all, you could be spending $100 on a frozen tundra, slinging snot and getting shot at while playing on your computer.

 

Edited October 24, 2014 by USAF77

[Guest deleted@30725]

They should follow EA and add in 'optional pay to unlock'. Pay a small fee and get all the unlocks for the plane you like. (Bad idea for customer, good idea for devs)

 

I'm sort of enjoying the campaign because I'm so rubbish at the game I'm using it as training so I don't get clubbed in mp.

[Bearcat]

Haven't played since they introduced the unlock torture and won't play again until it stays as it is, unless you can play the unlock game in MP.

 

They might have put much efford in SP, but it is just god damn boring for me. 

It is as simple as it is. If it stays like that I won't be playing again,

I regret funding the EA project.

 

To me the plusses of this sim out weigh the unlocks..

 

They should follow EA and add in 'optional pay to unlock'. Pay a small fee and get all the unlocks for the plane you like. (Bad idea for customer, good idea for devs) I'm sort of enjoying the campaign because I'm so rubbish at the game I'm using it as training so I don't get clubbed in mp.

 

Are you kidding...? Then the "Pay to win!!!   " camp will be up in arms...

 

I wonder if anyone considered that maybe they can't remove it.. I don't know if that is true... but maybe that is why it is still here...

[kozo]

ROBUST MULTIPLAYER WAS no.1 EXPECT to this game title Battle of Stalingrad, now what we got? customer MUST play poor singleplayer where you cant fly in Expert mode. just NORMAL with some stupid autopilots like WarThunder arcade... or what it was... i dont even want to try it again. just terrible and for those who like to be free in multiplayer, wich skin or gun will take for battle, SHOULD NOT BUY THIS GAME. this is slavery or you still watching locked items and asking yourself  what did you paid for? it is very irritating, it still reminds you that some developers forcing you with their own bad idea.

Zak, on 20 Oct 2014 - 12:30, said:

Everybody responsible for this desicion in the studio knows what you guys think about it from your forum posts. And it was not easy at all for us to keep following the initial game design. But we're keeping on it, as we aways did. And we hope you understand.

 

reminds me old times with cliffs of dover, you just dont care, you say, and thats how it will be. you are smartest ofcourse but look back, as with old title you ruined it and never got real working patch as it got from TF community. shame  1C company!

 as i devoloping and selling 'tiny' games in compare to il-2 and i also work for game publisher company, not a small one in the world and nobody here gets your ideas . nobody gets purpose why you want to lose new potentional customers, why you want to lose some players who already spent money( becouse you dont care after you sell a one copy?)

 

dear 1C, did you ever heard about satisfied customer bringing more new customers? and same stands in reverse ! one disapointed could discourage tens in real word but hundreds or thousands via internet... i think your marketing guy isnt good one

 

again, only you telling that this unlocking in single has some sense and it is good and fun and whatever, rest of MP guys and perhaps your new potential customers does not.

 

YOU NEED CONTROL??? old times when you should say whats gonna be next with half of world ended i hope, why you keeping this bad russian habbit while creating GAME?

 

why there is no freedom  or just splitted profile for multiplayer if most of your custommers comming from older multiplayer oriented games. your way is just stupid. cant find correct words. just cant!

 

for me this game, il-2 battle of stallingrad, changed a way much than it was expected. yes the story about force people to play singleplayer against stupid AI ...

 

im totaly disapointed. so i wasted 100usd, enjoy that money! finaly i bought many craps in my old life, one more to the can cant ruin me, but sux. i was looking for this game for ages.... anyway im glad that other games still exist (DCS,COD,FSX) so if i get time for flying i could.

 

you just lost one customer .

 

bye