indiaciki Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 I thought about buying a mi 8 or a huey... No chopper experience. Any suggestions?
HagarTheHorrible Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 I've always found helicopters to be a bit tricky in flight sims. The DCS ones are very good, I've certainly enjoyed the Huey but I think until the Oculus Rift, or similar, comes out I'll leave it parked on the hanger. I think that helicopters are going to be one of those things that will really benefit from that feeling of presence or being in the cockpit. It might not solve all of the issues, like the lack of tactile feedback, but it might just make the difference to being aware of what the aircraft is doing that it feels more natural and intuitive.
AndyJWest Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 Of the two, the Huey is probably easier to fly, though I've not really mastered it yet - I'm still struggling with the transition between forward flight and the hover, which needs a lot of care with the collective to do with any precision. The Mi-8 is a much heavier beast, with a lot of inertia, and accordingly can't easily be hoiked out of difficulties once it starts to go wrong - you need to know what it is doing, and avoid pushing it into problems in the first place. With either of them, I think you'd struggle if you don't have rudder pedals - a twist stick isn't going to be precise enough. Though both have weaponry for ground attack, the Huey is much better suited to it, being more manoeuvrable. In true DCS fashion, both have lots of gadgetry to master. In particular, the Mi-8 cockpit is rather daunting if you want to learn all the systems - there is an unofficial English-language cockpit mod which helps (particularly useful as the English translation of the flight manual isn't out yet, though there is a fair bit of useful material available elsewhere). On the other hand, it has an autopilot, so for long flights you can just set it up pointing in the right direction (checking drift with the doppler radar) and let it fly itself. The Huey is much more hands on, and more of a seat-of-the-pants machine, so probably better for learning the basics on.
indiaciki Posted October 20, 2014 Author Posted October 20, 2014 (edited) Thanks Andy. I think I could get a yugoslav airforce i.e. serbian original manual for the mi-8 so the russian cockpit is no problem though I don't speak russian I can figure that part out -i.e. read it. The mig descriptions in the original yugoslav RL manual and the serbian DCS manual are in russian, too, But yet, the huey smells like napalm in the morning. Iconic bird Edited October 20, 2014 by indiaciki
Chuck_Owl Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 have you tried the mi-8? The Mi-8 is, IMHO, easier to fly than the Huey. The thrust generated by the engines is simply mindblowing. The rotorcraft itself is a bit less stable but a tad more forgiving than the Huey as well. What I like about the Mi-8 is the fact that the cockpit itself is HUGE! You really feel like you're into a living breathing "thing" with a crew that is right there with you.
indiaciki Posted October 20, 2014 Author Posted October 20, 2014 That's what I thought. I saw a couple of mi-8 some days ago. They are really huge and they are amazingly quiet. I guess they have an AP - the huey doesn't have one? They have a ventilator in the cockpit for sure
oneeyeddog Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 I find the Helos in DCS just an absolute blast to fly. A Very different Flight Sim experience from flying a fixed wing AC. There is a healthy learning curve, but nothing too daunting. For me taking off and maneuvering is fairly easy - landings however are a real challenge.
indiaciki Posted October 20, 2014 Author Posted October 20, 2014 what helicopter would you recomend? Just downloaded the RL manual for the Mi-8. It's just 168p
oneeyeddog Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 what helicopter would you recomend? Just downloaded the RL manual for the Mi-8. It's just 168p Indiaciki, I agree as stated above that the MI-8 is a bit easier to fly and land, but 90% of my helo flight time is an the Huey.
indiaciki Posted October 20, 2014 Author Posted October 20, 2014 Since I'm new to helicopters I'll try the Mi-8 and the go to the huey. The Huey is the chopper I'd love to fly. Charley don't surf But I'm new to helicopters
Chuck_Owl Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 I see it like this: you can't go wrong with a Huey. I didn't learn to really appreciate the Mi-8 until I was much more proficient with the UH-1H.
johncage Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 it's just a process of systematization and learning controls. i don't understand the question. are you saying flying fixed wing is mutually exclusive to flying helicopters? i fly both in sims.
indiaciki Posted October 20, 2014 Author Posted October 20, 2014 I was saying that transition from fixed wing to helicopters might be pretty tough.
Tektolnes Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 Get the Huey first in my opinion. For starters it doesn't have any flight assists like the Mi-8 does. You have to learn how to fly completely on your own which will stand you in good stead later if you get the Mi-8. The Huey is a more complete product at the moment too as the Mi-8 is still in open beta. Also as others have mentioned it's a more nimble and flexible helo for just zipping around. The campaign for the Huey is pretty good too and gets you to use various different aspects of the helo.
Nil Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 I certainly think the Huey is easier to fly the the MI-8 (I have them all, ant the Ka-50 easiest to fly.) In startup it's from fast and easy to harder to remember Huey, MI-8 and KA-50 if you do the full manual startup.I'd say buy them all while on sale!
Sakkay Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 (edited) I love the huey. Very good to fly with him, and hard. But a great experience. I hope you will be too long will be news for the cobra. But the great desire of the Apache, and the mil-24. Sorry my Englis. Edited October 20, 2014 by Sakkay
oneeyeddog Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 I was saying that transition from fixed wing to helicopters might be pretty tough. I don't really think that its that difficult of a transition , Indiaciki, as much as its a New Flight sim experience. And yes, if you are only going to get one Helo at this time definitely make it a Huey.
Vaxxtx Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 I am going to suggest the KA50. Still the most fun helo to fly IMO. Not to hard getting it started up, but hard to master the flight and more in depth systems, especially during a battle. The nice thing is, when you learn the ins and outs its very rewarding. The neat thing about the Blackshark is the fact its a single seater and it almost needs the work of a 2 pilot crew. The mix of older tech with newer tech. Such a blast. But all in all you cannot go wrong with any DCS helo. The only drawback is you will want them all...
Dakpilot Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 Helicopters that don't interact with trees seem to lose a bit of their charm has this been sorted yet, have been not keeping up, maybe there is a chance this can be sorted with EDGE? Cheers Dakpilot
Brano Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 I just got my hands on Mi8 yesterday.Did first tutorial how to start that thing and after several restarts due to messed procedure I finally managed to lift my butt up in the air.Then I crashed It is challenging but thats what is best in it.Challenge and "back to school" feeling.Will try more crashings this evening.
Vaxxtx Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 There are always the easy starts for people just wantign to get in the air. Hit the keys and step away for a few mins while the aircraft goes through the procedure. I did this a lot when I started DCS out of pure frustration lol.
Nil Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 It would take me more then an hour to re-learn the startup in the MI-8 .. and another <30 mins to remember the controls (since in the setting you click on a joystick button and it tells you what it does and you don't have to try it out 20 times)
indiaciki Posted October 21, 2014 Author Posted October 21, 2014 (edited) I don't really think that its that difficult of a transition , Indiaciki, as much as its a New Flight sim experience. And yes, if you are only going to get one Helo at this time definitely make it a Huey. I did... Charlie don't surf :D Edited October 21, 2014 by indiaciki 1
oneeyeddog Posted October 21, 2014 Posted October 21, 2014 I did... Charlie don't surf :D good for you Indiaciki, I hope you are enjoying your Huey.
oneeyeddog Posted October 21, 2014 Posted October 21, 2014 Good to hear.Although I did not make it very far in the Huey Campaign I did find it challenging and fun. It starts off easy and the first few missions are really a training aid. There seemed to be a good deal of variety in the missions and enough "story" to keep it interesting. Plus, you get to fly in formation with other Hueys,which is pretty cool. So, Give the Campaign a try when ready.
indiaciki Posted October 21, 2014 Author Posted October 21, 2014 I'll do. I'm surprised that I can land her easily after just 30min. Transistion isn't that harcore as I thought. Didn't do a cold start yet but flying is not that hard as I thought. Love that aircraft.
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted October 22, 2014 Posted October 22, 2014 Ka-50 and Huey are p.baller. Mi-8 needs to be *actually* finished.
indiaciki Posted October 23, 2014 Author Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) Is the Mi-8 still in beta? I totally got addicted to flying helicopters...it's really a challenge. It makes you a better fixed wing pilot after a couple of hours balancing gyroscopes around the air - don't know why... works for me. Edited October 23, 2014 by indiaciki
Chuck_Owl Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 One thing I liked to practice was autorotation. Strangely enough, it saved my butt more than once. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f6J0Plt0w4&index=1&list=PLMZJbpYtQsUZ1bxt1N2sRVWWM5G-u7Ib2 Sorry for my horrible, horrible accent. 2
LLv34_Flanker Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 S! The amount of coordination required to fly a helicopter for sure helps you in a fixed wing plane.
indiaciki Posted October 23, 2014 Author Posted October 23, 2014 One thing I liked to practice was autorotation. Strangely enough, it saved my butt more than once. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f6J0Plt0w4&index=1&list=PLMZJbpYtQsUZ1bxt1N2sRVWWM5G-u7Ib2 Sorry for my horrible, horrible accent. Great. I'll try it today. Love the huey.
johncage Posted October 25, 2014 Posted October 25, 2014 belsimtech contracted to do ah-1w http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/3/0/4/0997403.jpg i'm saving my money for that, none of these antiques
Megatherion Posted October 25, 2014 Posted October 25, 2014 DCS helicopters are all excellent in my opinion, KA-50 Black Shark especially; with all of its modern HUD instruments (SHKVAL) and FLIR. Take On Helicopters is another great helicopter sim - no combat but flying "missions" for your own helicopter company; and you can lift / carry cargo (sling load). It is quite inexpensive too: $28 for the bundle which includes the Hinds helicopter (so there is actually combat! my mistake).
indiaciki Posted October 25, 2014 Author Posted October 25, 2014 belsimtech contracted to do ah-1w http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/3/0/4/0997403.jpg i'm saving my money for that, none of these antiques Too high tech DSC helicopters are addictive !
Vaxxtx Posted October 25, 2014 Posted October 25, 2014 DCS helicopters are all excellent in my opinion, KA-50 Black Shark especially; with all of its modern HUD instruments (SHKVAL) and FLIR. Take On Helicopters is another great helicopter sim - no combat but flying "missions" for your own helicopter company; and you can lift / carry cargo (sling load). It is quite inexpensive too: $28 for the bundle which includes the Hinds helicopter (so there is actually combat! my mistake). I can totally agree....I love the Blackshark. I could NEVER get Take On Helicoptors to work right. Got frustrated and uninstalled. I know its not DCS level, but it looked fun. Too high tech DSC helicopters are addictive ! x100000
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