US planes in the future?

[Vig]

Here's to success!

[Frequent_Flyer]

Wow

 

I don't even know where to start.

Would like me to suggest some books ?

[FuriousMeow]

To success!

[nynek]

O Mighty Developers !!!!

 

Please, PLEASE give them a sim in which after a single player mission or online experience They will start to have nervous breakdowns, broken marriages, drinking problems, pre heart attack issues, insomnia etc...

so They stop thinking about some bull...t things like theaters, speeds, envelopes, markings, politics, nationalities, accuracy and so on. Don't let Them think. Enroll Them in the Army, Order Them on pain of death some impossible missions. Kill individuality and allow for customization of planes after 10000 winning streak. Make zombies out of Them so after in rage  5th uninstall and three days looking at the turned off monitor They reinstall for the 6th time.

 

In short make this shit as real as possible.

 

For this little I ask You O Mighty Developers.....

Edited September 8, 2013 by nynek

[GP*]

I think in the flight sim world, it is almost avant-garde to rail against P-51s or Spits. You only have to look at the favorite WWII A/C thread here to see it. Some favorites list almost looked like the most obscure planes were chosen to illustrate how "knowledgeable" the poster was. If we get a Mustang down the road, I'll be thrilled and probably would fly it almost exclusively. Til then, I'll fly the plane I like best that fits whatever theater we are given.  

 

Lots of hipster simmers here, apparently

 

"I'd tell you my favorite plane, but...you've probably never heard of it." 

[Lord_Haw-Haw]

Well I have to admit I would willingly dish out money for some early theatres, like Poland 1939, Spanish civil war or China 1937,

as these are fields with wonderful aircraft, but since they do not belong to the main stream favorites, will most likely never make

their appearance anywhere. A shame actually!

[Capt_Hook]

I don't want to be disagreeable, yours is the very reaction that I expected and, like I said, you may be right. But I don't think flight simmers are dolts who would shy away from a sim with unfamiliar aircraft; I think that would be a positive attraction to most of us.

 

Vig, I agree with your statement above completely, but the point FuriousMeow is making is around those words I bolded... Flight Simmers as a group represents too small an audience these days to justify modern development costs without a lot of risk, and you're not going to grow it by presenting a sim full of planes that non-simmers have never heard of.

[Frequent_Flyer]

Vig, I agree with your statement above completely, but the point FuriousMeow is making is around those words I bolded... Flight Simmers as a group represents too small an audience these days to justify modern development costs without a lot of risk, and you're not going to grow it by presenting a sim full of planes that non-simmers have never heard of.

Precisely, the  health and longevity of this franchise will depend upon inducing " new money " into the flight sim addiction.  All of the usual suspects around here will buy anything related to WW II aviation, they have stated as much.

[Vig]

You are all probably right, but I can't help wondering if there's a way to have my cake and still eat some of it. 777's business model of "selling airplanes" could provide an answer. I would happily buy any rare or out-of-era planes offered even if they were not available for air-to-air combat so long as I could fly them offline. Just a plain flight simulator. That would help pay to get the models built, with the understanding that the flight models would need to be tweaked before they became available in the relevant theater or era.

Edited September 8, 2013 by Vig

[Bf-110]

Well I have to admit I would willingly dish out money for some early theatres, like Poland 1939, Spanish civil war or China 1937,

as these are fields with wonderful aircraft, but since they do not belong to the main stream favorites, will most likely never make

their appearance anywhere. A shame actually!

 

Good point.Spanish Civil War and chinese campaign before 1943 aren't covered by any flight sim,if I am right.

What is strange is that IL2 had a PZL P.11 and even a 7TP,but it didn't had a Poland map.

Two great air forces to have in the future will be Italy and France.Both had a lot of different planes,Italy used them almost till the end of the war and Germany used them till the end.France used its planes for a brief period,but those planes later were used by Romania,Bulgaria,Finland and even Italy.

BTW,anyone know how often Germany used their italian planes and how often Vichy France fought on the war?

Edited September 8, 2013 by Bf-110

[LLv44_Mprhead]

Book by Christopher Shores, Dustclouds in the Middle East covers some of the subject of Frace and Italy air forces. http://www.amazon.com/Dust-Clouds-Middle-East-Madagascar/dp/189869737X

[Vig]

Vichy aircraft fought Wildcats during the Torch invasion - that would be fun.

 

About halfway down some individual actions are described: http://airgroup4.com/torch.htm

Edited September 8, 2013 by Vig

[Heywooood]

You are all probably right, but I can't help wondering if there's a way to have my cake and still eat some of it. 777's business model of "selling airplanes" could provide an answer. I would happily buy any rare or out-of-era planes offered even if they were not available for air-to-air combat so long as I could fly them offline. Just a plain flight simulator. That would help pay to get the models built, with the understanding that the flight models would need to be tweaked before they became available in the relevant theater or era.

this would be the only way for me to get an F3F - so I would also be good with it...for offine, non combat, personal flying time fun

[III/JG53Frankyboy]

Good point.Spanish Civil War and chinese campaign before 1943 aren't covered by any flight sim,if I am right.What is strange is that IL2 had a PZL P.11 and even a 7TP,but it didn't had a Poland map.Two great air forces to have in the future will be Italy and France.Both had a lot of different planes,Italy used them almost till the end of the war and Germany used them till the end.France used its planes for a brief period,but those planes later were used by Romania,Bulgaria,Finland and even Italy.BTW,anyone know how often Germany used their italian planes and how often Vichy France fought on the war?

Well, the P.11 was one of rhe first 3.Party planes that made it in IL2, Oleg gave it a chance without a proper scenario.

About italian aircraft in Luftwaffe service, an example

http://www.ghostbombers.com/JG77/jg77_01.html

[Stray]

I guess it's a long way away from initial release, but I look forward to F4U-1C.

My favourite allied aircraft in 1946.

Good point.Spanish Civil War and chinese campaign before 1943 aren't covered by any flight sim,if I am right.

What is strange is that IL2 had a PZL P.11 and even a 7TP,but it didn't had a Poland map.

Two great air forces to have in the future will be Italy and France.Both had a lot of different planes,Italy used them almost till the end of the war and Germany used them till the end.France used its planes for a brief period,but those planes later were used by Romania,Bulgaria,Finland and even Italy.

BTW,anyone know how often Germany used their italian planes and how often Vichy France fought on the war?

The Fiat CR.42 was a biplane fighter used by the Italian Air Corps (Corpo Aereo Italiano). They only made one mission during the Battle of Britian when on 29 October 1940 they provided a bomber escort on a raid on Ramsgate. Following the end of the battle, the Italian force continued to carry out limited raids on England, and on 11 November 1940, four CR.42s acting as escorts were destroyed by RAF Hurricanes with no loss to the RAF. German Luftwaffe aircraft had difficulty flying in formation with the biplanes, which also proved to be poor match for the more modern British fighters, and the CR.42s were transferred back to the Mediterranean theatre.

 

all I could find right now.

[Furio]

One side had an edge in the "evil deeds" dept.. clearly..

 

This is a debate that remembers an underground river, resurfacing at unexpected times and places. Did good and evil ones exist? In a sense, no, they didn’t. It’s true that heinous crimes were perpetrated in the name of communism, but no less in the name of anti-communism. And probably the worst were perpetrated in the name of God. However, it’s not easy to find anything comparable to Shoah in recent history. Had the Red Army be defeated, or kept at bay for another year or two, the “Final Solution” would have reached its goal, or most of it.

 

That said I love American planes! I particularly like all P40 variants, and my favourite is the B26.

Also, I would love aircraft carrier operations, but I would prefer Atlantic to Pacific. Barracudas bombing the Tirpitz, Martlets intercepting FW200 Condors, or Albacores attacking U-boots are just some examples of what this theatre of war could offer.

[Capt_Hook]

You are all probably right, but I can't help wondering if there's a way to have my cake and still eat some of it. 777's business model of "selling airplanes" could provide an answer. I would happily buy any rare or out-of-era planes offered even if they were not available for air-to-air combat so long as I could fly them offline. Just a plain flight simulator. That would help pay to get the models built, with the understanding that the flight models would need to be tweaked before they became available in the relevant theater or era.

I'd buy any plane they made.     I own more planes in RoF than I've actually played and taken off in.  Heck, I may own more planes than number of times I've booted the game up.  Beautiful sim, but I found out that high-powered kites don't do much for me.  I support the studio, though.

 

Unless they make some uber-planes, though, I don't see why they'd not be allowed online.  Most of the niche planes are going to be average performers at best, or totally outclassed by the 'out of the box' planes in the scenario.  If they were real performance superstars they wouldn't be niche or rare, now, after all.  German / Japanese 'hail mary' late war planes notwithstanding.  I imagine the community might be just a 'bit' upset if you could buy a 262 for use with the Afrika Corp, for instance.  But niche planes or variants that helped flesh out an era but weren't popular enough to put in the base game and on the box art shouldn't upset the online community if they were available as an extra purchase.

 

I just want to see the effort successful from a financial perspective.  Seeing Cliffs fail so spectacularly and take 1C with it for all practical purposes was, from a hobby perspective, the saddest thing I've ever witnessed.  I want to go back to the days following the release of Pacific Fighters... that game had it's issues, for sure, but having to wait for a deathkick to open a spot up on Warclouds so I could get in and fly due the server being completely full at prime time every night was a problem I sure wish I had now.  Not to mention the tears of all the VMA 214 fans getting torn to shreds in their Corsairs from my beloved Frank...

[Sokol1]

In short make this shit as real as possible.

 

For this little I ask You O Mighty Developers.....

 

Well, if not, War Thunder already exist... and makes success.

 

Sokol1

[Frequent_Flyer]

You are all probably right, but I can't help wondering if there's a way to have my cake and still eat some of it. 777's business model of "selling airplanes" could provide an answer. I would happily buy any rare or out-of-era planes offered even if they were not available for air-to-air combat so long as I could fly them offline. Just a plain flight simulator. That would help pay to get the models built, with the understanding that the flight models would need to be tweaked before they became available in the relevant theater or era.

This would be very appealing to me, I play offline 75 % of the time .

[CUJO_1970]

Would like me to suggest some books ?

Sure, I love reading.

 

What pilot's and aircraft had the the toughest test is a topic for another thread though (and a good one at that).

[HeavyCavalrySgt]

Lots of hipster simmers here, apparently

 

"I'd tell you my favorite plane, but...you've probably never heard of it." 

 

 

Meh - any plane added would have to have been common enough to have contributed significantly.