Next "logical" steps after BoS

[Finkeren]

russia would be too repetitive.

another operation theater would be better.

You know what would be repetitive?

 

Doing another Western Front/Pacific sim.

 

Both of those have been done like a million times before. The Eastern Front has been done once before (one, single time) and that sim later included both WTO and PTO just for good measure.

Edited October 22, 2014 by Finkeren

[LLv24_Zami]

Agree with Finkeren. I hope they stick on eastern front. Kuban would be ok to me.

[Dakpilot]

The only "logical step'' is to expand into a theatre where all of the current planeset and ground units can be continued to be used in a historical scenario, and the new ones can be used to flesh out the current one(s), Win - Win with least amount of wasted work

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[A-E-Hartmann]

You know what would be repetitive?

 

Doing another Western Front/Pacific sim.

 

Both of those have been done like a million times before. The Eastern Front has been done once before (one, single time) and that sim later included both WTO and PTO just for good measure.

 

Yes, but the MTO theater has not been done also.  

Edited October 22, 2014 by A-E-Hartmann

[Trooper117]

It will be on the Eastern Front (be sure)...

 

Close second... North Africa.

[Matt]

As far as the planeset is concerned moving west to Kuban and then further to North Africa would just work pretty well. Some of the Kuban lend-lease planes could be adapted for North-Africa and if we would get Italian planes for North-Africa, they could also be used on a Kuban and Stalingrad map ("BoS Fw 190 style" so to say).

[Finkeren]

Yes, but the MTO theater has not been done also.

MTO will be next on my list also, right after they do Smolensk, Kiev, Kharkov, Leningrad & Karelia, Moscow, Crimea, Rzhev, Kuban/Kerch, Kursk, Lower Dniepr, Bagration, Kurland, Vistula-Oder, Berlin and Budapest.

[LLv24_Zami]

MTO will be next on my list also, right after they do Smolensk, Kiev, Kharkov, Leningrad & Karelia, Moscow, Crimea, Rzhev, Kuban/Kerch, Kursk, Lower Dniepr, Bagration, Kurland, Vistula-Oder, Berlin and Budapest.

 

Yep that pretty much covers it 

 

If I had to choose other than eastern front it would definetily be MTO.

[Dakpilot]

MTO will be next on my list also, right after they do Smolensk, Kiev, Kharkov, Leningrad & Karelia, Moscow, Crimea, Rzhev, Kuban/Kerch, Kursk, Lower Dniepr, Bagration, Kurland, Vistula-Oder, Berlin and Budapest.

 

Sorry, but did you leave out Murmansk!!   LoL, have fond memories of the great North Norway/Zapolarie  Mixx map in Mod IL-2, still a visual treat

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[Finkeren]

Murmansk I left out deliberately, because the numbers involved were so small and the action so infrequent and spread out over such a long period of time.

[Emgy]

MTO '42 planeset is almost 100% compatible with the Eastern front... Spitfire V, Hurri, 109 F4->G6, P-40E(/F), Macchis, 190A-4, A-20/Boston, B-25, Stukas, 88, 110, 111... You can buy these planes and fly them on the Stalingrad map as well as a desert map.

Edited October 22, 2014 by Calvamos

[1./JG42Nephris]

Keep in mind, that most sells of the sim are in Russia.

So it would probably of more sense to create another russian based theatre.

They speak the language which makes things a lot easier, most planes of Stalingrad could be used in another russian theatre aswell.

So my bet, although I still dont mind as, long as BoS in not running properly with all anounced features, a russain theatre.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 Murmansk and the Arctic was far from boring or without action. Convoy battles and constant fighting. JG 5 Gave a stiff opposition to VVS up north. Plane set would be more interesting than late war, JG 5 was last to receive last models of planes, using Bf109E-7's as late as 1942 etc. A properly done MTO has not been done yet, carrier landings could be something different with DN engine.

[wtornado]

Personally I would like the Kuban theater of operations seeing that SchG 1 and the FW-190 entered the theater too april 28th 1943.

 

All the planes from 1943 and onward were excellent on both sides giving no distinct advantage to one or the other.

 

I think personally on all that I read on the Kuban air battles that they were the most bloodiest time for the V.V.S and the Luftwaffe and all

their pilots.

 

It was a fight for survival for both sides.

Edited October 22, 2014 by WTornado

[Dakpilot]

Interesting fact : Kirkenes (Murmansk theatre) was the second most frequently bombed town in Europe..with Valletta in Malta being the Most

 

Cheers Dakpilot

Edited October 22, 2014 by Dakpilot

[Trooper117]

MTO will be next on my list also, right after they do Smolensk, Kiev, Kharkov, Leningrad & Karelia, Moscow, Crimea, Rzhev, Kuban/Kerch, Kursk, Lower Dniepr, Bagration, Kurland, Vistula-Oder, Berlin and Budapest.

If that happened I'd probably sack it for sure... I'm only hanging on because I'm hoping we get another theatre sooner rather than later.

[bivalov]

yeah baby...

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/topic/2045-obsuzhdenie-83-j-chasti-dnevnikov-razrabotchika/page-34?do=findComment&comment=219404

[Trooper117]

and it says... what?

[bivalov]

this is a bit of repeat of last posts.

 

but, LOFT said that he wants Kuban, but it's will be too fast, that summer-autumn will be very attractive in game, etc.

 

and all this now really looks like FAT HINT on summer-autumn BOS with I-16 and Mig-3.

 

plus LOFT again said about VEF4/PvP/PvE, anf that all concrete plans in december-januar'15, but before this date will be 2 surprises.

 

 

further try to use translator, because i dont see here almost any feedback (it's not +1, just looks like that my english is so bad).

 

 

here LOFT said, that "Ju 52 are WIP, plane will be free and for all MAIN types of game modes".

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 Translators simply do not work, Russian is a language with a lot of nuances so translators really have a hard time with it Whatever they will release as add-on or DLC should be done relatively fast along with patches.

[YSoMadTovarisch]

You know what would be repetitive?

 

Doing another Western Front/Pacific sim.

 

Both of those have been done like a million times before. The Eastern Front has been done once before (one, single time) and that sim later included both WTO and PTO just for good measure.

I don't think other than Il2 there's been a game about the late ETO and PTO period of the same caliber, DCS comes close but it doesn't feel like a war game.

[Finkeren]

I don't think other than Il2 there's been a game about the late ETO and PTO period of the same caliber, DCS comes close but it doesn't feel like a war game.

Except that every. single. WW2 CFS. ever. has been about BoB, ETO or PTO. The fact that none of them has been of "the same caliber" as the original IL-2, just illustrates how great that sim was.

 

Doesn't change the fact that the Eastern Front and the MTO are desperately underrepresented in flight sims, and that's why some of us balk at the idea of going back to the West or the Pacific right away.

Edited October 23, 2014 by Finkeren

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

Except that every. single. WW2 CFS. ever. has been about BoB, ETO or PTO. The fact that none of them has been of "the same caliber" as the original IL-2, just illustrates how great that sim was.

Out of 50+ simulators or quasi simulators I can name maybe 7 were dedicated to PTO, 5 of these were made before year 2000. One, more known for people now, Il-2 Pacific Fighters by Maddox was developed in 2004. That is a decade ago. Since than no production was focusing on that operation theater. Last I could recall with decent Japanese input was War Thunder, but that is ... well, hard to call simulation. 

Sure, there were few more games having few maps, like Midway or Guadalcanal or something. But it takes more than putting F4F, A6M2, P-40 and Ki-43 to call it "Pacific Sim". 

So no, being completely honest, there was no proper production in this area for more than 10 years now. Not to mention that all previous had incredible amount of incorrections, mistakes and things which from my, historical researcher, point of view were barely acceptable.  

 

New and focused on that topic sim, particularly based on BoS engine and solutions would be something I would buy any day.

 

 

Except that every. single. WW2 CFS. ever. has been about BoB, ETO or PTO. The fact that none of them has been of "the same caliber" as the original IL-2, just illustrates how great that sim was.

 

Doesn't change the fact that the Eastern Front and the MTO are desperately underrepresented in flight sims, and that's why some of us balk at the idea of going back to the West or the Pacific right away.

Soviet planes in sims were not than underrepresented, the usual problem for western companies was rather getting data. Russia is not as open for researchers as United States or Great Britain or even Germany (vide Bundesarchive), so bringing more and more interesting warbirds was simply complicated. But still there were some. Never felt lack of Eastern Front in general, sure, when focused like BoS on single area of operations than it is absolutely correct.

 

MTO - absolutely I agree.

[Venom]

First off, I'd like to see Stalingrad done in Summertime and Autumntime.

 

dry summer

 

Libya, Western desert, Tunisia, Crete, Malta... or anywhere without bloody snow!

+1, you speak my words!

Of course, the Pacific ─ sunny beaches, palms and the occasional Zeke ─ is always welcome...

Edited October 23, 2014 by Venom

[GP*]

Agree with Finkeren. I hope they stick on eastern front. Kuban would be ok to me.

 

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I'm probably one of the few Americans who isn't dying for a P-51 anytime soon. 

[Finkeren]

Soviet planes in sims were not than underrepresented, the usual problem for western companies was rather getting data. Russia is not as open for researchers as United States or Great Britain or even Germany (vide Bundesarchive), so bringing more and more interesting warbirds was simply complicated. But still there were some. Never felt lack of Eastern Front in general, sure, when focused like BoS on single area of operations than it is absolutely correct.

This I simply cannot agree with. To my knowledge prior to IL-2, Soviet planes had only been featured in one single sim (Luftwaffe Commander) and only as AI opponents.

 

Since 2001 we've had plenty of Soviet representation in a number of games, but none that would quality as a "sim" by the standards of the time they were released in.

 

Sure, it might be harder to get good data on the Soviet birds, and that could serve as an explanation for the lack of proper Soviet focused WW2 sims, but it still doesn't mean that theatre isn't underrepresented.

Edited October 23, 2014 by Finkeren

[Finkeren]

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I'm probably one of the few Americans who isn't dying for a P-51 anytime soon.

I honestly don't think there's that few of you.

 

It's a silly reasoning tbh. To think that people will only be interested in sims that have their own country represented. So by that logic, I should only be interested in a sim focused on the heroic air defense of Denmark on April 9th 1940, which lasted a full 30 minutes and mostly involved target practice for Bf 110 crews, a paratroop drop at Aalborg (the first such combat operation in history btw) and German bombers dropping leaflets over the cities?

Edited October 23, 2014 by Finkeren

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

One way or another I dont mind putting more Soviet warbirds. Only if those would be interesting And so Kuban sounds for me very reasonable since gives new planes and also a few Lend-Lease machines.

 

 

I honestly don't think there's that few of you.

Same here. 

Though I could complain on lack of Polish aviation in simulators, considering there was air defense in 1939. But it was small compared to major battles on the western front. Would rather see it compiled with Battle of France and  air operations over Greece and Yugoslavia. That would also be fairly interesting, 1939-1941 with many never brought before warbirds. 

[pilotpierre]

Russia vs Finland would be good, I enjoyed that in Il2 Forgotten Battles

[Tektolnes]

The devs like to get a good bang for their buck. I'd be astounded if the follow-up wasn't more eastern front. It's by far the path of least resistance. 

Edited October 23, 2014 by Tektolnes

[EAF19_Charlie]

I think the next logical step should be the inclusion of the FMB and Dserver, not more maps,theatres etc. I feel that this alone would immediately attract more new players into the game and naturally boost the coffers of the dev team and enable them to work towards making future extensions.

 

Many people I fly with and against in the SEOW's have held back on buying BoS until this part of the game is functional.

 

Also I must remember that Rome wasn't built in a day

Edited October 23, 2014 by EAF19_Charlie

[GP*]

I honestly don't think there's that few of you.

 

It's a silly reasoning tbh. To think that people will only be interested in sims that have their own country represented. So by that logic, I should only be interested in a sim focused on the heroic air defense of Denmark on April 9th 1940, which lasted a full 30 minutes and mostly involved target practice for Bf 110 crews, a paratroop drop at Aalborg (the first such combat operation in history btw) and German bombers dropping leaflets over the cities?

Well...I was simply saying that to further illustrate that I agree with you. But if you want to take what I'm saying literally, that's fine.

 

Man, some people won't take yes for an answer

[Finkeren]

Well...I was simply saying that to further illustrate that I agree with you. But if you want to take what I'm saying literally, that's fine.

 

Man, some people won't take yes for an answer

My little rant wasn't directed at you. I understood what you meant. It was more of a general comment on the presupposition some people (not you) have, that Russian simmers are only interested in Russian AC, US simmers only interested in US planes etc.

Would rather see it compiled with Battle of France and air operations over Greece and Yugoslavia. That would also be fairly interesting, 1939-1941 with many never brought before warbirds.

Greece would make for one hell of an interesting map, I gotta admit.

[PA-Sniv]

this is a bit of repeat of last posts.

 

but, LOFT said that he wants Kuban, but it's will be too fast, that summer-autumn will be very attractive in game, etc.

 

and all this now really looks like FAT HINT on summer-autumn BOS with I-16 and Mig-3.

 

plus LOFT again said about VEF4/PvP/PvE, anf that all concrete plans in december-januar'15, but before this date will be 2 surprises.

 

 

further try to use translator, because i dont see here almost any feedback (it's not +1, just looks like that my english is so bad).

 

 

here LOFT said, that "Ju 52 are WIP, plane will be free and for all MAIN types of game modes".

 

Thanks Bivalov!

I wish I could speak russian (or at least understand googletrad russian)!

Some interresting news!!!

[avlSteve]

If the team announced their next theater included carrier ops, I guess I'd pre-purchase it for $500.  Probably need to be after Christmas though, so I don't upset my wife.

Edited October 23, 2014 by avlSteve

[Finkeren]

If the team announced their next theater included carrier ops, I guess I'd pre-purchase it for $500. Probably need to be after Christmas though, so I don't upset my wife.

Yep, I agree. They should definately make a fictional scenario, where the USSR and Germany had carriers in the Black Sea. Can't wait to fly catapult launched MiG-3s escorting Pe-2 torpedo bombers against the German landing fleets.

[avlSteve]

Yep, I agree. They should definately make a fictional scenario, where the USSR and Germany had carriers in the Black Sea. Can't wait to fly catapult launched MiG-3s escorting Pe-2 torpedo bombers against the German landing fleets.

 

Hold on a minute!  Did I say 500?

Edited October 23, 2014 by avlSteve

[ponhard]

Battle for Finland? Like in Forgotten battles? Russian planes and the 109 are already there. 

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

Battle for Finland? Like in Forgotten battles? Russian planes and the 109 are already there. 

I think they referred more to Talvisota, than Jatkosota.

[chris455]

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I'm probably one of the few Americans who isn't dying for a P-51 anytime soon. 

I'm certainly not.

And if I was, I can fly the very fine Mustang in DCS. But I'd rather fly a Jug, or anything else American, in a more immersive environment. That's why I'm hoping for a P-39 or P-40 to come along in BoS.