Next "logical" steps after BoS

[=LD=Hethwill]

As a Developer the challenge of doing a Pacific scenario is great. 

 

Naval aviation really lacks proper sims and it is quite understandable given the hardship of modelling all the aspects, from winds ( BoS has it in place ) and sea.

 

The most logical step is to stick with Easter Front scenarios. Leningrad would be my bet over Kuban.

[Trooper117]

Kuban is next... unless they have changed their plan. We may see lend lease planes as well!

[=LD=Hethwill]

Kuban is next... unless they have changed their plan. We may see lend lease planes as well!

 

Oh, anywhere to read this plan ? Thanks.

[SvAF/F19_Klunk]

hmm there are quite a few N. African desert skins available in the unlocked skin packs for German planes

[Finkeren]

The more I think about it, the more I hope for a Kuban/Kursk scenario. Not only will it have the La-5F, but likely will also feature the Yak-9T, which would be so much fun.

[SYN_Ricky]

The more I think about it, the more I hope for a Kuban/Kursk scenario. Not only will it have the La-5F, but likely will also feature the Yak-9T, which would be so much fun.

 

And the P-39

[Trooper117]

Oh, anywhere to read this plan ? Thanks.

 

 

I was having a conversation with Zak on sim hq awhile back... he told me this is what they were hoping to do if they can make enough sales after release.

I don't know if that is still in their plan. I assume we will hear soon enough after release.

[SvAF/F19_Klunk]

And the P-39

 with a Alexander Pokryshkin skin :D

[Feathered_IV]

Libya, Western desert, Tunisia, Crete, Malta... or anywhere without bloody snow!

 

Actually, Malta has just about everything.  Short distance, long timeframe.  Carrier ops, ship busting, night intruder, bombing of every sort, close quarter dogfights, legalised vulching, small landmass...

[Sokol1]

More like:

 

 

 

Why don't

, will by nice dogfight then. Edited October 20, 2014 by Sokol1

[slm]

Kuban area would have a much more interesting map than Kursk.

At least if these maps in IL2 1946 are anything like what we'd get in the sequel.

[SYN_Per]

And the P-39

with a Alexander Pokryshkin skin :D

Mmmmmmmmmm....

[YSoMadTovarisch]

Most logical choice would be Kursk, it's the second most known battle on the Eastern front after Stalingrad(good for marketing purposes), lots of ground attack/close escort actions, lots of planes both domestic and lend-lease, and the balance would be almost perfect as the the differences in speed at the common combat altitude is almost none existant for both sides while still having unique strengths and weaknesses.

 

And yes there were La 5FN in Kursk, having slightly worse performance than later production model but they were presented there almost as much as FW 190A3 during Stalingrad.

 

So...

 

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Edited October 20, 2014 by GrapeJam

[BraveSirRobin]

There are desert skins to unlock for the German aircraft that don't seem to be very useful around Stalingrad...

[Blitzen]

Would love Kursk...it was a big dangerous battle that this sim could just about dupicate it in a day by day way for both sides & different squadrons...yes, Kursk would be great if done right.

On the other hand I notice there are "desert "skins on the menu for earned points in campaigns.I don't suppose they mean anything...still....

[Jaws2002]

There are desert skins to unlock for the German aircraft that don't seem to be very useful around Stalingrad...

There are also 1945 skins for the FW190 F8 in the unlocks. ...That doesn't mean you'll get an F8.

Would love Kursk...it was a big dangerous battle that this sim could just about dupicate it in a day by day way for both sides & different squadrons...yes, Kursk would be great if done right.

On the other hand I notice there are "desert "skins on the menu for earned points in campaigns.I don't suppose they mean anything...still....

 

Kuban is a lot more interesting than Kursk. More interesting planes also much more interesting map.

[bivalov]

btw, P-40, which were used in Stalingrad area, during 42-43 - P-40E (summer-autumn), P-40K (end 42- beginning 43), Tomahawk (apparently, end 42 in PVO).

 

plus, in 42-43 USSR got batch of P-40L (ie plane, which based on F-5)...

[III/JG53Frankyboy]

IF , than im also for Kuban - very interesting map. Kursk would be so boring........................

 

German fighters are almost the same , so they could Focus on Bombers and attack planes for the german side, and for the soviets they can Focus on L&L planes.

 

And please Torpedos for the He111 and a possible A-20

[Adriaan]

Kuban would be amazing, flying P-39s, anti-shipping in a Yak-9T...

 

Fw 200 would be lovely to fly, and usable for Stalingrad too, but a lot of work for little gain I guess. Especially considering they don't seem to have done more than transport missions, and were pulled away from the Eastern Front after Stalingrad was lost.

Edited October 20, 2014 by Adriaan

[chris455]

Yak-9 was available for the Kursk fight. Henschel Hs-129 was introduced there.

Not sure about Lend Lease planes, although it would seem strange that with the thousands that were delivered, none were to be found at Kursk.

 

If a P-39 or P-40 were to "show up" in  a  Kursk sequel, would it be any more out of place than the Fw-190 or La5 in the current sim?

 

As far as a Kursk map being "boring", yes-it would be. If you plan on liesurely sightseeing in a FW-189. 

Otherwise- from a dev perspective, maybe all the more attractive than the countless hours of work a Kuban map would entail, with it's hills, oceans, and beaches that would be involved.

 

I am not a protagonist for Kursk, or any other sequel- nor am I Nostrodamus. I'm just saying- just because a Battle of Kursk sequel might seem "boring" to some (I find this difficult to understand) doesn't mean it  can't happen.

 

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a New Guinea map- hoping somebody's around to uncross them with a pair of pliers in 4 years. 

 

In the meantime, I'm boning up on my Soviet tank recognition manuals- just in case I find myself in the cockpit of an Hs-129- flying over Kursk.

 

Cheers, Chris

Edited October 21, 2014 by chris455

[YSoMadTovarisch]

Yak-9 was available for the Kursk fight. Henschel Hs-129 was introduced there.

Not sure about Lend Lease planes, although it would seem strange that with the thousands that were delivered, none were to be found at Kursk.

 

If a P-39 or P-40 were to "show up" in  a  Kursk sequel, would it be any more out of place than the Fw-190 or La5 in the current sim?

 

P39 was definitely at kursk, not sure about P40 and definitely no Spitfire. FW 190 was presented at Stalingrad but didn't see that much combat, La-5 was used in large number in Stalingrad and saw loads of combat.

[chris455]

P39 was definitely at kursk, not sure about P40 and definitely no Spitfire. FW 190 was presented at Stalingrad but didn't see that much combat, La-5 was used in large number in Stalingrad and saw loads of combat.

Sources please? 

Not doubting you but I found it very challenging to document LL types use at Kursk-

Also- Fw-190 during Stalingrad? These references would be very enlightening.

Cheers,

Chris

Edited October 21, 2014 by chris455

[bivalov]

during battle of kursk were used limited number of A-20, P-39 and Hurricanes (plus, most likely, very limited number of very old P-40).

 

ie looks like that BOKursk is not L-L paradise

[YSoMadTovarisch]

Sources please? 

Not doubting you but I found it very challenging to document LL types use at Kursk-

Also- Fw-190 during Stalingrad? These references would be very enlightening.

Cheers,

Chris

About P39 at Kursk:

http://books.google.com.vn/books?id=UhvgHC2AlBMC&pg=PA75&lpg=PA75&dq=p39+at+kursk&source=bl&ots=icaytKQUJI&sig=LKHqntA-Nwqw2gcmeKRZiOnkHX4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=NeFFVPmGAebAmQXKwoHoDQ&ved=0CDsQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=p39%20at%20kursk&f=false

Regarding FW 190 at Stalingrad, there's a whole debate on this forums:

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/1342-stalingrad-and-why-fw190-should-be-game/

[YSoMadTovarisch]

Yeah checked again, apparently there were no 190 at BoS, but P39 was definitely at Kursk.

[FlatSpinMan]

Kuban would be lovely. The scenery for one thing...

[III/JG53Frankyboy]

Kuban map

Hs129B

Bf110F

Ju88A

Yak-1B or -9

Spitfire V

P-39D (or other batch before N )

A-20

 

and ships as Targets

 

 

but such discussions we had a lot during CoD times , all were for nothing :D

so , lets first let them release BoS..................

Edited October 21, 2014 by III/JG53Frankyboy

[Bearcat]

A logical sequel would be the Battle of Britain. They have plenty of ready materials and research.

 

I don't think that would be worth the hassle to them or us... not at this time anyway. They need to tap into a theater not touched in a next gen sim.. Kursk, Kuban,Moscow, Med... any of those would be fine with me .. as long as there is a sequel..

 

Now that would stir up a hornets nest,  that might not end so well.

 

Ya think....

[avlSteve]

 .. as long as there is a sequel..

 

Amen! 

[1./JG42Nephris]

Before I would buy a sequel, I´d expect to make the current version running properly.

Enough work to do in BoS than thinking on a sequel in any way.

Let em proove to ship out a decent product with Bos in all belongs and we can start this discussion again.

One step after another. However dreaming is fine but pointless.

Imo.

[Trooper117]

They have a pretty good working product at the moment.

We may not like all the design decisions on how certain aspects are implemented, but you can get in there and battle offline or online, and there is much more going on now in the Stalingrad world, in the air and on the ground

[Blitzen]

Before I would buy a sequel, I´d expect to make the current version running properly.

Enough work to do in BoS than thinking on a sequel in any way.

Let em proove to ship out a decent product with Bos in all belongs and we can start this discussion again.

One step after another. However dreaming is fine but pointless.

Imo.

Was going to say much the same thing...I look forward to Stalingrad campaign being fleshed out,hopefully with a more historical view of the ground & air forces in and around the city & missions reflectingsome sort of historical reality Right now it seems a very quiet place with 6-8 aircraft trying to find each other & approximately the same number of vehicles on the ground,Surely it was busier than this.( I won't go into controlability& communication issues etc...)Don't get me wrong this is a good start & doenjoy ...all I want is that they get this right first before they do anything else.

Assuming they do ( and they don't just do a Summer map of the same area ..) then I still vote for Kurskand they should start with this book:

 

 

 

It would involve a new & fairly large map with large numbers of ground forces involved ( probably need two or three new German tanks- Panther & Tigers) and as mentioned only one new German aircraft ;the Hs-129 ( it would be sweet to have a Ju-88 & P-39 &/or P-40,but I'm not sure how much developement time they would take..) It was a huge 10 day battle & proceeded at  a chess like pace,but included gigantic aerial fights for air supremacy. Il-2 had several different campaigns based on it and they were very hard to live through.

 No matter what ( if) they do next I hope it will be done in a better way than we have now with action happening beyond the horizon so to speak,CloD does a pretty good job at having different air raids in different places.Wouldn't it be great to have the actions of your Stuka unit make a difference to events on the ground or even affect the direction of the battle? Heavy losses by your unit could be hard to make up foror efect your ability to escort scheduled missions.I don't know much about the game engine for BoS and such things that are common place in Il-2 ( now almost ancient) & to some degree in CloD might be beyond it...time will tell.Perhaps a third party will eventually be able to step in ?

finally for those interested in reading more about Kursk ,the best book I have found ( best researched & best written that is) is this one:

Just fascinating & jam packed with maps & photos.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 Kursk would be nice, but the DN engine most likely won't be able to produce it in the same intensity it was. Forget the big tank battles, lot of AI and artillery fire and all that. Slide show at best. Plane set would not be too hard to update, but to get an interesting set of them could be a big task. Externally the easiest would be the EARLY La-5F as it has not a cutdown fuselage as the later La-5F had. Early La-5FN(Type 39) with wooden wing construction and lack of the refinements the later Type 41 had etc. IL-2 external model propably would not require too much work to make it the later model than in game now. LaGG-3 in another version maybe? Pe-2 later series, Yak-7/9 and -1b? For Germans Bf109G-6, Fw190A-4 and later, He111H, Bf110, Stuka D-5(?), Hs129, Fw189 as AI recon and so forth. 

Edited October 21, 2014 by LLv34_Flanker

[Dennis_Nedry]

Kursk would be a great choice for the next battle to focus on.  After the Eastern Front I would love to see some Guadalcanal.  The Battle of Guadalcanal could be the starting point and after that expand more broadly into the Soloman Islands Campaign which lasted until the end of the war.

[Trooper117]

It's not going to be Kursk...

[Dennis_Nedry]

Yeah it won't be Kursk...most likely will be obscure theater 42-43

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 Kuban?

[Feathered_IV]

It's not going to be Kursk...

C'mon. What do you know. Spill it!! Ve hav vays...

[A-E-Hartmann]

russia would be too repetitive.
another operation theater would be better.

[avlSteve]

The game is not released yet, and we're anxiously anticipating the sequel.  That's got to say something!