Next "logical" steps after BoS

[chris455]

I was musing over the theorizing that some have engaged in regarding possible sequels to BoS.

Mind you, my crystal ball is just as dirty as anyones, but it did cross my mind to look back at the flow of events of the original IL2: Sturmovik and extrapolate from there.

 

It dawned on me, however, that this line of thinking is fraught with peril from the outset- due to the fact that we are dealing with two different developers, a 13-year timespan between the first and most recent releases, plus the huge developments of what modern PCs are capable of.

That being said, a few facts stand out:

WWII air combat history doesn't change, only our interpretation of it does;

 

The market for the genre hasn't changed much, based on what we know of the demographics of our niche;

 

And finally, the original IL2: Sturmovik series was wildly successful and is tempting for developers to emulate.

 

It should be remembered that the first expansion pack for IL2 was The Forgotten Battles, based on the Finnish and Hungarian fronts and the air battles fought there.

Which makes me wonder if the next logical step for 1C and  777 studios would be to follow the spirit of The Forgotten Battles and plan a release based once again on the Ostfront, but maximising the number of planes in the exisitng planeset that could be used with little modification, perhaps adding a handful of new mounts for effect.

 

I'm thinking, of course, of the Kursk battle.

 

I understand that literally thousands of aircraft took part in this epic struggle. Plus the fact that the Kursk battle is well known even outside of Russia. It is near and dear to Russian hearts, and would encompass nearly every aspect of WWII air combat imagineable. Add to this the fact that, IIRC, no air combat simulator has ever been dedicated to this conflict.

I'd love it. I think the community would love it. 

 

But let's face it guys- we would love pretty much anything WWII these guys put out there- eastern front, western front, North Africa, the Med, the Pacific ( my heartthrob   )

Kursk is just my idea of one possible next step.

 

Well, there you have the results of my surmising as I peer through my dust-covered crystal ball.

50% logic and reason, 50% hope, 100% wild-a$$ guess.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see if there will ever be a IL2: Battle of Kursk.

 

If not- I'm good with any WWII theater of aerial operations, and I'd be lying if I said I won't buy it, whatever it turns out to be.    

In the meatime, I'm very impressed with what has been acheived with IL2 BoS- which I think I'll get back to playing-

 

Cheers, Chris

Edited October 18, 2014 by chris455

[Finkeren]

Kursk would make sense, as would the Kuban/ Kerch region.

 

Personally I'm hoping for Moscow or Leningrad 1941.

Edited October 18, 2014 by Finkeren

[BeastyBaiter]

I'd be surprised if the first addition is anything other than Kuban 1942 (most likely) or Moscow. Both scenarios would allow for greatly filling in the existing plane set with planes relevant to both maps. I suppose Kursk could work too, but Kuban just seems more likely.

 

As for team fusion, I respect what they are doing for IL2: Flop Edition but they have no relevance here.

[Finkeren]

The one problem with a Kuban 1943 scenario is, that it has fewer posibilities for adding new planes than either Kursk or Moscow, especially for the Germans.

[15[Span.]/JG51Costa]

 

Personally I'm hoping for Moscow or Leningrad 1941.

 

The one problem with a Kuban 1943 scenario is, that it has fewer posibilities for adding new planes than either Kursk or Moscow, especially for the Germans.

 

To my also seems that Moscow is the next most logical.

Taking into account that they perhaps inherited the work done by the team of the CoD,

Edited October 19, 2014 by 15[Span]/Costa

[Feathered_IV]

 

[Voidhunger]

First off, I'd like to see Stalingrad done in Summertime and Autumntime.

+1

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

I see what you did there: IL-2 Sturmovik Episiode 5 "Zhe Germanzs Straike beck!

 

Would be a great addition to current campaing.

[SYN_Ricky]

First off, I'd like to see Stalingrad done in Summertime and Autumntime.

That would be the first step as to increase the time frame while bringing more diversity to the landscapes and scenarios but still staying on the same map.

After that I'd like to see Kuban and or Kursk and some Lend-lease planes: P-39/40, A-20, B-25 along newer versions of planes already in-game. I'd prefer they stay focused a bit before moving somewhere else, in Il-2 there were enough half completed scenarios...

Edited October 19, 2014 by SYN_Ricky

[FlatSpinMan]

F_IV - Subconcsiously I'd been waiting for someone to post something like that. I would actually buy and play that game.

 

Can we please leave CoD out of this thread - no promoting it, no attacking it. This thread is about BoS.

 

And yes, a quick summer and autumn Stalingrad with earlier planes, maybe a mini-release, then Kuban. Massed tank battles would look great but it'd be hard to achieve, I think.

[Matt]

To me, Battle of Moscow is about the least likely expansion, simply because they would need to make both a autumn and winter map to cover the entire battle (i hope and doubt that they would only cover the late stage of the battle and make another snowy winter map).

 

Cuban or Kursk would be my guess and i would be happy with both, Kursk would probably be easier to do, Cuban could make use of the water engine (RoF channel map). Hopefully an autumn map for Stalingrad before that, but maybe this could even be 3rd party.

 

 

The one problem with a Kuban 1943 scenario is, that it has fewer posibilities for adding new planes than either Kursk or Moscow, especially for the Germans.

I'm not sure about that. Just thinking quickly, i believe the Ju 88, Bf 109 G-6, Bf 110, Hs 129, Ju 52 (if we don't get it in BoS first) were all there and i think they should also be pretty popular.

[SYN_Per]

I'd be surprised if the first addition is anything other than Kuban 1942 (most likely) or Moscow. Both scenarios would allow for greatly filling in the existing plane set with planes relevant to both maps. I suppose Kursk could work too, but Kuban just seems more likely.

 

As for team fusion, I respect what they are doing for IL2: Flop Edition but they have no relevance here.

+1

 

But then I would love the Mediterranean sector!

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 Kursk or Operation Bagration. It is hammer and crescent time boys, smile and wave. Smile and wave.

[FlatSpinMan]

Sickle. Hammer and sickle.

[bivalov]

I'm thinking, of course, of the Kursk battle.

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I'd love it. I think the community would love it.

you know, during all last time i also think about possible new theatre, or just about new addon.

 

and here 2 serious thoughts for you and for all -

 

 

1 BOKuban will be very interesting, BUT - during this battle, in LW were used ONLY "old" Bf 109 G2/4 and a bit of Fw 190 A-5 as attack plane.

 

and it's all (other planes its 110 etc), meanwhile, in VVS were used lot of types.

 

ie personally i dont think that all LW-players will be happy WITHOUT really new different planes.

 

and here can help only not historical additions like G-6 etc.

 

 

2 BOKursk it's very good choice, it's very famous battle etc etc etc.

 

BUT, it's and very big piece of cake - here need to change almost all types of planes, which we have now, plus lot of L-L planes, plus need almost all planes like Bf 110, Ju 88, IL-4 etc etc etc.

 

and there were used really lot of planes in one place.

 

 

so, personally i guess STRICTLY about NEAR future, and personally for me it's - summer (autumn) map for BOS, and help for guys who create "Velikiye Luki".

 

moreover, for VK also are needed - Yak-1b, Yak-7b and early/modernized La-5 type 37 + Ju 87 D-1 and, apparently, even Fw 190 A-X (2/4/5).

 

 

plus, just a bit about Leningrad or Murmansk area...

 

the Pacific

 

one rumor for you and all pasific-lovers - B6 recently said, during talks with new map-makers, that possibility of japanese army and navy aviation = 0 in near future.

 

although, if devs really must choose 2nd variant of developing of game - planes for interest, instead of full theaters - there absolutely no problem to get first A6M (which was tested in 1940 against I-15/16), A5M, Ki 27, Bf 109 B or C (1 plane from Spain, was used by USSR in 1941, for reconnaissance), B-239, Hawk-75, D.520 etc etc etc.

Edited October 19, 2014 by MK.Bivalov

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

S!

 

 Kursk or Operation Bagration. 

Bagration would be a completely different story, but front would huge. I mean this outstanding operation brought Red Army from East Belarus to the gates of Warsaw. This would involve plenty of ground attack missions to support advancing troops. And there would be a struggle of few German units trying to do anything to stop the offensive.

 

Huge potential with desperate actions. I'd be interested in it.

 

 

What would also be interesting and by many forgotten is Winter War. Finland opposing great Soviet advantage in numbers. Earlier machines, more snow and plenty of interesting actions. 

 

 

 

 one rumor for you and all pasific-lovers - B6 recently said, during talks with new map-makers, that possibility of japanese army and navy aviation = 0 in near future.

 

although, if devs really must choose 2nd variant of developing of game - planes for interest, instead of full theaters - there absolutely no problem to get first A6M (which was tested in 1940 against I-15/16), A5M, Ki 27, Bf 109 B or C (1 plane from Spain, was used by USSR in 1941, for reconnaissance), B-239, Hawk-75, D.520 etc etc etc.

To make Sino-Japanese conflict all you would have to bring is early I-16, SB-2 (which in fact could be brought much earlier), I-153 from Soviet side. Japanese would have A6M2 mod 11, A5M2, Ki-27, Ki-21, G3M, D3A1, Ki-32. That would also allow to play Khalkin Gol with some of these machines.

 

But yeah, as I said in other thread. For the time being hopes for Pacific sim are very low. 

[JG27_Chivas]

First off will there be a sequel?  It will depend on sales of BOS, and if the other project they've announced doesn't use up most of their resources.

 

If all goes well the developer had talked about staying on the eastern front in the next sequel.  A logical decision in that much more of the work they put into the sequel could be used by the BOS theater.   

[avlSteve]

Yeah, I wish they would announce "IL2 - Pacific Battles" next. 

Edited October 19, 2014 by avlSteve

[Rjel]

"IF" I were a developer for this series, for my next trick, I'd pick the theater sure to piss off the largest number of simmers on the website possible. Why you might ask? Because so many, if not most of them here seem to always look for the darkest cloud to dive into. Repeatedly.

 

However, because I'm not, I'd bet on different seasons of the three maps we already have with some new content added.

Edited October 19, 2014 by Rjel

[Static]

 

Yes!

[Nonolem]

Knowing that the devs need to work about summer/autumn textures anyway for further development, what about an autumn Stalingrad map, with some new planes (Bf 109 E, I16...)?

It could be a small add-on before some other theatres...

 

Edit : Sorry, I didn't see your post before I post mine, Rjel. But I was thinking in the same way...

Edited October 19, 2014 by Nonolem

[Rjel]

Knowing that the devs need to work about summer/autumn textures anyway for further development, what about an autumn Stalingrad map, with some new planes (Bf 109 E, I16...)?

 

It could be a small add-on before some other theatres...

 

Edit : Sorry, I didn't see your post before I post mine, Rjel. But I was thinking in the same way...

Great minds and all that.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

2 Minor Pre-Great War Theaters that deserve consideration too.

 

 

 

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And

 

 

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Edited October 19, 2014 by myfabi94

[bivalov]

about fights during february-march 1943 near Красный Бор and Смердынь (Leningrad area).

 

only in this good book (by Ilya Prokofjev), are mentioned - Fw 190 А-4 and Bf 109 G-2 from JG 54, Bf 110 F-3, Ju 88 A-4, Do 215, Ju 87 D-3 (plus R-2/4), Hs 126, He 111 H-6.

 

Yak-1/7b, La-5, IL-2 (one-seater and two-seater), Tomahawk and Kittyhawk, LaGG-3, I-153, Mig-3, Pe-2, U-2.

Edited October 19, 2014 by MK.Bivalov

[[KWN]T-oddball]

First off will there be a sequel?  It will depend on sales of BOS, and if the other project they've announced doesn't use up most of their resources.

 

If all goes well the developer had talked about staying on the eastern front in the next sequel.  A logical decision in that much more of the work they put into the sequel could be used by the BOS theater.   

 

^^this, plus i am not sure how many other models (I16, I15,TsAGI-40?) from the doomed clod expansion  "battle of Moscow"they have, it would be easier for them to simple upgrade existing platforms (ju87,109,190,he111..etc) to later model and maybe throw in a couple of total new planes and a new map. I would like them to sell theater packs but my guess is it be per-plane sales

 

here is what you LaGG looks like in summer

 

Edited October 19, 2014 by T-oddball

[Reflected]

I agree with the OP. We can throw around wishes like Pacific/ Mediterranean, etc...but the most sensible step would be to complete the Eastern Front first, and Kuban or Kursk would be the most obvious ones. I would be really glad to see that happen.

[Trooper117]

Hmm... if that is summer, why are all the leaves brown?

[[KWN]T-oddball]

Hmm... if that is summer, why are all the leaves brown?

 

dry summer

[6S.Insuber]

A logical sequel would be the Battle of Britain. They have plenty of ready materials and research.

[JG27_Chivas]

A logical sequel would be the Battle of Britain. They have plenty of ready materials and research.

Now that would stir up a hornets nest,  that might not end so well.

[Y-29.Silky]

The next logical step would be the next major battle after Stalingrad, which I think was Kuban

[chris455]

"IF" I were a developer for this series, for my next trick, I'd pick the theater sure to piss off the largest number of simmers on the website possible. Why you might ask? Because so many, if not most of them here seem to always look for the darkest cloud to dive into. Repeatedly.

 

However, because I'm not, I'd bet on different seasons of the three maps we already have with some new content added.

This was simply brilliant.

[[KWN]T-oddball]

Now that would stir up a hornets nest,  that might not end so well.

No... a hornets nest would be the least of there worries, there are other reasons why they would not do BoB....

[GP*]

I just hope they stay on the Eastern front for some time to come; I'm not ready to go back to the banalities of Spits vs 109s...

[[KWN]T-oddball]

I just hope they stay on the Eastern front for some time to come; I'm not ready to go back to the banalities of Spits vs 109s...

Logically from a sim standpoint they would do a westward march in terms of maps and planes just like the real war did

[Feathered_IV]

I must admit I'm tired of the type of whiner that Luftwaffe aircraft attracts. I'd rather Nomonohan or the SW Pacific. Leave Siggi and the rest of them behind.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

I must admit I'm tired of the type of whiner that Luftwaffe aircraft attracts. I'd rather Nomonohan or the SW Pacific. Leave Siggi and the rest of them behind.

If that's already bugging you wait for the first Wildcat vs Zero and OP Browning discussions to appear

 

Would also love pacific scenario though it'd be less logical from devs perspektive. If they don't drop it in December already they must work on quick, easy to implement content and nothing is going to beat another eastern front scenario in this regard.

 

Still a different theatre would be quite nice some day.

Edited October 20, 2014 by [Jg26]5tuka

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

If that's already bugging you wait for the first Wildcat vs Zero and OP Browning discussions to appear

We already have Berezin UB which is not any worse than M2 Browning, and in some ways its better. 

 

Besides, there could also be discussions about OP Zeros. Or very delicate Wildcat. There is always a room for complains, in any kind of sim. There were complains on everything in Il-2 1946, Aces High and War Thunder

[Trooper117]

Libya, Western desert, Tunisia, Crete, Malta... or anywhere without bloody snow!

[A-E-Hartmann]

M.T.O would be excellent .

E.T.O 1941-1945 would be huge .

Ostfront In another season would be nice .