New Poll: Which LW plane do you want in BoS?

[kov1985]

I could be wrong here, but I thought 190s were used at Stalingrad. Most didn't see service until 43, but the earlier models were used in 1942 aswell, on all fronts as far as I know.

[FlatSpinMan]

We've been here before, I'm afraid. If you're interested, have a look at General Discussion for a thread on which planes were in use.

[kov1985]

Sorry mate, I only just signed up. My bad...

[FlatSpinMan]

No probs at all. Didn't intend to come across as snippy as it reads.

[=69.GIAP=TARAS]

For which I would pay as an addon? 

P-39, Yak-1b, il-4, I-16, Ju52,U-2. In that order.

Edited April 21, 2013 by =69.GIAP=TARAS

[URUAker]

Assuming  that the main players will be included with release, then i will go for 2 of my favorite planes in IL2 1946, mc200, and IAR80-81. Give me one of those an bring your La5?

[heinkill]

Assuming  that the main players will be included with release, then i will go for 2 of my favorite planes in IL2 1946, mc200, and IAR80-81. Give me one of those an bring your La5?

[p00d73]

Assuming there wouldn't be any free Bf 109 included at release, I'd buy one of the Bf 109 Friedrich variants, but I could live with the Emils as well. I'm trying to master the FW too, but I just don't seem to get it right.

Edited May 11, 2013 by p00d73

[EAF_Stuntman]

I let my videos speak for themselves.

 

Playlist:

 

I want - the same atmosphere I have in my IL-2 when I fly these large multiplayer online SEOW campaigns you see in my videos. It is from the old game that is IL-2: 1946. It is heavily improved thanks to HSFX mod, but it has a limit.

I want a high fidelity IL-2 that makes me think back on the real pilots not so long ago that risked their life for their country. To give you a feeling and understanding of how dangerous their duty was. I want to feel the soul of the plane.

 

If the developers could bring this atmosphere to life, to an even higher fidelity than what IL-2: 1946 ever could, then I would pay hundreds of dollars to get my hands on my beloved Ilyusha.

 

 

Edited May 23, 2013 by EAF331_Stuntman

[Shea]

La-5 and fw-190 and i-16

Edited June 18, 2013 by shea

[Mysticpuma]

Well that is the problem, and it was so also in IL2, most whined for the over gunned late war monsters and got their wish granted.

So that when you had a look at hyperlobby, it was usually a bunch of kids in mindless fur balls, some where so crazy, they chose air bases very near to one another, and just turned their planes in the general direction of the enemy and let it rip.......The kids will always be in the majority and they will always wish for the aircraft with the biggest guns.

One can only hope that 777 does not soully view the under 12 year olds as their main customers. Otherwise you can forget the early war planes, the big slow bombers, the hassel of making nice missions, when the kids just want to fur ball.

 

"most whined for the over gunned late war monsters and got their wish granted."

 

So you use the word 'most', by which you mean the majority of players? That means that you were the minority then. So you wish to push your opinion as the minority as the opinion of the majority?

 

"hyperlobby, it was usually a bunch of kids in mindless fur balls"

 

Invariably the 'popular' servers had late war aircraft. This was due to the fact that the 'bunch of kids in mindless fur balls' had probably a long day at work in real life and didn't have time to sit down and plan a mission with their two mates, wait for both of them to join their lobby and then take off in their Sopwith Camels and fly around for 6-hours and not see anything. Sadly they did have a life outside of the game and wanted to play 'a game' and have fun....i.e a break from the monotony of their real life.

 

"The kids will always be in the majority and they will always wish for the aircraft with the biggest guns"

 

It's really disrespectful to use the term 'the kids' to describe people who have actually paid for a game and enjoy it no-matter what the aircraft. Once more I see the attitude that only people who build their own cockpits in their living rooms, banish their families from their lives and sit and admire the interior of the digital aircraft as they to take off, then fly in an aircraft that the minority demand the majority must use, 'because it's not fair that no-one will play with us in our early war aircraft and that means we only have a the choice of long bombing missions to keep us entertained as we certainly don't stand a chance in a furball, so we'll just say we don't want furball's to make us look proper and simulkation experts who know everything!'

 

"One can only hope that 777 does not solely view the under 12 year old's as their main customers. Otherwise you can forget the early war planes, the big slow bombers, the hassle of making nice missions, when the kids just want to fur ball."

 

Yeah I have to agree with you there. Everyone wants early war aircraft and that's why the sales of Cliffs of Dover went through the roof and it is a huge financial success. I haven't noticed anyone of the forums who still has CloD mentioning the addition of later aircraft (yeah right!) or the 'better' better versions with better weapons or engines (Check out ATAG forums).....oh sorry, I should say everyone wants the first generation of everything and no-one wants to move forward so that 'the minority' have someone to play with?

 

In-case my point isn't clear. no, I wasn't one of those who 'begged' for the late war aircraft but I do enjoy flying them. I was an admin on the Warclouds Servers and when IL2 was at it's height the players on their often numbered 40+ (at-least). The planeset was 1944 and included the majority's favourite FW-190's (A&D), BF-109 G6 onwards, P-51's, P-38's, B-25's + more. The servers were built for all abilities, so some airfields were 10-minutes apart, others 30-minutes. The targets were also varied and very widespread meaning it could take at-least an hour (sometimes more, sometimes less) to close and then rotate the map to the next mission.

 

There were many 'bomber' nights and these were undertaken by the Luftwaffe or Allied teams, so JU-88's (in a large human piloted formation) or similar B-25's would start circling and gain altitude and then the formation would head to a target and then RTB in a mission that could last at-least an hour. During that time I would be with a between 2 and 4 human players in P-47's flying high escort in a Racetrack pattern as we watched out for enemy contacts. It was a great team effort AND DIDN'T ALWAYS END IN A FURBALL!!! It wasn't about having the 'best' late-war aircraft, it was about playing as a team to reach and complete an objective.

 

Note the above final sentence! Yes, I enjoyed the late-war aircraft, but I didn't have to get into a furball. I CHOSE which fun I had. Did I want to get into an airfield that was close to another and have the fun I CHOSE to have when I had little time to play but still wanted to experience dogfighting....YES. I HAD A CHOICE!  Did I sit down and experience long escort missions when I wanted to....YES I HAD A CHOICE!

 

Why is it that some people think that their opinion is the only opinion as you do?

 

You have already stated that the people who enjoy the late-war aircraft are 'the majority', but then you tell 777 studios that they should ignore making 'lots' of money by supplying a simulation to 'the majority' as they 'MUST' only make early war aircraft because it's not fair that you as 'THE MINORITY' will have no-one to play with once they start to make money by supplying 'POPULAR' aircraft.

 

 

Now, let me finish and I'll look forward to the 'tirade' of naysayers.

 

I am pleased that WW2 simming isn't dead. I was gutted to see CloD go as it offered (and maybe still will) so much for future development potential. War Thunder.....now that's a perfect case of what you say. Arcade banal and uninteresting (to me) but some like it...that's their choice.

 

Whatever aircraft are offered in the first release of BoS, I am sure I will purchase. I want to support any knew endeavour that keeps my hobby going. But can you honestly tell me that (if as it appears history is correct!) that reams and reams of players will fill the skies in Russian aircraft, only to get blasted out of the air by the 109's (as it appears in history really did happen) and 'enjoy' being cannon fodder?

 

Or....

 

Do you think that once the Russian aircraft get battered over and over again.....the Red flyers will ask for 'x' ammo, 'y' guns, 'z' field modification.....to make their aircraft competitive? Hang on! That means they are asking for bigger and better guns and equipment? No, no, no you must say....I enjoy my early war non-competitive aircraft as I enjoy being shot down over and over again! Bugger it...I'm flying Axis...and so will someone, else and so will someone else and then players will join servers that are loaded with Axis and replete of Allied and then they'll whine the Axis are uber and we need such and such aircraft to be competitive and then a later war aircraft will appear, etc, etc, etc.

 

Finally the 'MAJORITY' will have the aircraft they want and you'll be left to fly around in your Pe-11 admiring the scenery while large escort missions take place high at altitude between bombers and fighters that players will enjoy using.

 

I personally am looking forward to (down the line) when we get Spitfire IV vs early 190's (A3 maybe), but of-course I have always be known as a P-47 flyer. I don't care. I can wait. That's 'MY CHOICE' but I am not expecting to force it on anyone and I certainly do not (at 47) consider my self a kid, but I do consider myself thoroughly patronised by you for having a life which only lets me have time to enjoy my flying when I am not working or being a Husband and father.

 

I'll choose how I want to fly, when I have time to fly and I don't know you or expect you to decide for me what I can do with my time. I find your attitude is blinkered and thoroughly stinks!

 

MP

[p00d73]

--blah blah blah

But can you honestly tell me that (if as it appears history is correct!) that reams and reams of players will fill the skies in Russian aircraft, only to get blasted out of the air by the 109's (as it appears in history really did happen) and 'enjoy' being cannon fodder?

 

You're forgetting the game will start at Operation Uranus. The VVS was in a whole different state at that time than earlier in the war, where the outdated aircraft had to fill in for the huge losses on the first days. I've not seen many people claim the Lavochkin La-5 is cannon fodder for the Friedrich and Gustav.

[heinkill]

Were there any FW189 Uhu in this theatre? Another I always wanted to fly. Just asking because I read that Kesselring toured Stalingrad airspace in an Uhu, just after Germany established air supremacy.

Edited June 30, 2013 by heinkill

[csThor]

Standard tactical recon aircraft by then. The older Hs 126 was pretty much phased out by then and the only other "contender" were the tactical recon versions of the Bf 110. Out of 16 tactical recon squadrons present in the Stalingrad theater (in the specified timeframe) 13 were flying the Fw 189.

[Trooper117]

Shame we won't even get the Fw 189 as an AI plane.. (No AI aircraft on release)

[FTC_Karaya]

You're forgetting the game will start at Operation Uranus. The VVS was in a whole different state at that time than earlier in the war, where the outdated aircraft had to fill in for the huge losses on the first days. I've not seen many people claim the Lavochkin La-5 is cannon fodder for the Friedrich and Gustav.

 

The early one was, we're not talking about the FN model yet, the first series that saw combat at Stalingrad was a much worse performer with a topspeed of barely 580kmh at 6200m. If the devs get the FMs right then there will be a lot of moaning and bitching about what many people expect should be a great fighter... it was not... yet

[Lord_Haw-Haw]

Well I voted for the Ju88 as it is a attack plane.

Any bomber and I am for it!

But this would be my baby!

[707shap_Srbin]

Fw190 fans - this is Your lucky day

 

Wurger will not be aviable for Campaign or historycal missions, but will be aviable for Dogfights.

[Lord_Haw-Haw]

Well since they are adding the FW 190, I think a wish for the Lerche

or a F16 fits then too...........

[BlitzPig_EL]

Well since they are adding the FW 190, I think a wish for the Lerche

or a F16 fits then too...........

 

 

Exactly.  

 

The FW 190 had no part in the Stalingrad campaign.

 

So in effect we will now have a one plane multiplayer environment, as there is no Russian aircraft in the available plane set that can compete at any level with the 190.

 

So can I have my La5/Fn please?  Or a Spitfire Mk 9 with 25lb boost?

 

Honestly the inclusion of the 190 is a pure money grab, nothing more.  So, why not entice the Allied pilots with a hot rod of their own as well?

[Sokol1]

 

 

Fw190 fans - this is Your lucky day.

...but will be aviable for Dogfights.

 

And to avoid "cannon foder" the server set 190 x 190 (DCS style).

Bonus: avoid moaming about "my plane is nerfed".

 

Sokol1

Edited July 27, 2013 by Sokol1

[Lord_Haw-Haw]

Exactly.  

 

The FW 190 had no part in the Stalingrad campaign.

 

So in effect we will now have a one plane multiplayer environment, as there is no Russian aircraft in the available plane set that can compete at any level with the 190.

 

So can I have my La5/Fn please?  Or a Spitfire Mk 9 with 25lb boost?

 

Honestly the inclusion of the 190 is a pure money grab, nothing more.  So, why not entice the Allied pilots with a hot rod of their own as well?

Well to be honest I am a blue flier, but this is just bonkers. No Ju88 but a Fw190.....

It shows the focus ist like always on the fighter jocks, and so that no real hard feelings come

up two crumbs for the bomber nerds in form of a He111 or a Pe2, although no one has seen

a single shot of them.

That is why I feel it is fair then to ask for something like this:

[Sven]

Exactly.  

 

The FW 190 had no part in the Stalingrad campaign.

 

So in effect we will now have a one plane multiplayer environment, as there is no Russian aircraft in the available plane set that can compete at any level with the 190.

 

So can I have my La5/Fn please?  Or a Spitfire Mk 9 with 25lb boost?

 

Honestly the inclusion of the 190 is a pure money grab, nothing more.  So, why not entice the Allied pilots with a hot rod of their own as well?

 

 

If FW190A3 is being modelled like the real thing, and not just a brick with a ton of firepower, it will dominate the servers. Servers will include the fastest ride to lure people into the server, ala ROF and CLOD with SpitIIa and E4N. Stalingrad can be renamed to Wulfgrad. But there may yet be hope, there will probably be a field mod to convert the LA-5 to the 'old' LA-5FN from '46. Hard to forget that plane 

 

Would rather have seen the Schnellbomber JU88 included, because I think that is the counterpart of the PE2. They both can perform dive attacks and are considered fast bombers. The slow He111 is IMO the counterpart of the DB-3.

Edited July 27, 2013 by Sven

[Hunziker]

Truly gutted there is no I-16 Rata

 

I so loved shooting down 109's in this.

They used to go crazy at the impudence of such a thing.

[Mirtma]

I liked LA5 in original IL2 and I would like to have it now. Bought only standard, so I will bought it when it'll became available to separate buy.

[heinkill]

My fault. I voted for the FW190. They just did it to keep me happy, sorry.

[leitmotiv]

My fault. I voted for the FW190. They just did it to keep me happy, sorry.

 but why did you told them FW190A3, A6 would be better, you could use your powers to get more, im disapointed in you

[Allons]

Bf 110 G-2 not on the list..

[germanicusgermanicus1936]

Fw 189....ancestor of OV10 Bronco... Similar layout and functions. Flies low slow agile. Weapon load outs 3 or more MGs, crew of 3. Recon, army coop, arty spotter(?) and utility. google it and also Eric winkle brown test pilot who flew most types of german ac said he really like this one. Offers alternative missions, different problems to solve with it,s flight envelope, and many of you saw it in a sim I just heard about ...An earlier IL 2 .. Can't think of it now..1946? Cheers!

[Lord_Haw-Haw]

Fw 189....ancestor of OV10 Bronco... Similar layout and functions. Flies low slow agile. Weapon load outs 3 or more MGs, crew of 3. Recon, army coop, arty spotter(?) and utility. google it and also Eric winkle brown test pilot who flew most types of german ac said he really like this one. Offers alternative missions, different problems to solve with it,s flight envelope, and many of you saw it in a sim I just heard about ...An earlier IL 2 .. Can't think of it now..1946? Cheers!

Yes I believe since IL2 Forgotten Battles the FW 189 was as AI in the game, shame never as a flyable!

[6./ZG26_Emil]

It would be interesting to edit the poll to remove the aircraft we know will be in the release so people can vote again. This way we might get a good idea of what people are wanting next

[III/JG53Frankyboy]

something like that

Yak-1B

Yak-7B

Yak-9/-9D/-9T

Yak-9U

Yak-3

LaGG-3ser66

La-5F/-5FN

La-7

I-16 Typ24+

I-153

MiG-3

Il-2 "late versions"

Il-10

DB-3/IL-4

Pe-3

P-39

P-40 "Tomahawk"

P-40 "Kittyhawk"

Spitfire V

Hurricane II

A-20

B-25

Bf109E-7

Bf109G-6

Bf109G-14

Bf109K-4

Bf110E/F

Fw190F

Fw190A-5/-6

Fw190A-8/-9

Fw190D-9

Ju87G

Hs123

Hs129

Ju88A

Ju88C

IAR81

Mc200

Mc202

B-239 Buffalo

Edited September 22, 2013 by III/JG53Frankyboy

[Lord_Haw-Haw]

something like that

Yak-1B

Yak-7B

Yak-9/-9D/-9T

Yak-9U

Yak-3

LaGG-3ser66

La-5F/-5FN

La-7

I-16 Typ24+

I-153

MiG-3

Il-2 "late versions"

Il-10

DB-3/IL-4

Pe-3

P-39

P-40 "Tomahawk"

P-40 "Kittyhawk"

Spitfire V

Hurricane II

A-20

B-25

Bf109E-7

Bf109G-6

Bf109G-14

Bf109K-4

Bf110E/F

Fw190F

Fw190A-5/-6

Fw190A-8/-9

Fw190D-9

Ju87G

Hs123

Hs129

Ju88A

Ju88C

IAR81

Mc200

Mc202

B-239 Buffalo

You missed the Ju52, Fw 200, He 177, Ju 290, Focke-Wulf Ta 154, Ju 90, my absolute favorite the Do 24!

[Roast]

Bf110, Hs123 and i-16, but mainly the P-39

[Speckfire]

I want them all..Whatever is on that list. I can't just choose one. I am a plane horder. 

[Szatanshow]

Can i just say - all from IL2?

[Lord_Haw-Haw]

Can i just say - all from IL2?

What the UFOs too???

[ITAF_Rani]

Mc 200 and Mc 202 fought in Russia...

[Szatanshow]

What the UFOs too???

 

Depends wich ufo you talking about - i actualy liked Heinkel Lerche, Go-229, Bf-109Z, Ta-183, and the big Me232 (well no ufo)

Edited October 11, 2013 by Szatanshow

[Avimimus]

Aiiieee... Where is the Mig-3, Il-4, Fw-189 or U-2? All of the planes I want are not on your list!!