New Poll: Which LW plane do you want in BoS?

[6BLBird-Dog]

I would like to see the most commonly available historicaly correct aircraft for the battle available with the game release & be available on DVD  .Earlier models first please then later  flyables could be purchased on-line along with controlable ground units & AA units if to be modeled.

I would be a lot happier if any purchased Aircraft modelled were supplied fully equiped rather than having to purchase add-ons.A Further Map for sale to cover an arena for the available plane set then before the release of a sequel.Don`t want much do I ?lol 

 

Edit:After reading some of the previous posts I don`t think I am asking much:)

Edited December 20, 2012 by 6BLBirdDog

[heinkill]

How about this for an idea?

 

The plane is free but you have to buy the ammo!

 

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[BlitzPig_EL]

Oh please don't give them any ideas.

[heinkill]

...and fuel!

 

(You can buy 100 Octane if you are a premium member!)

 

It can be linked realtime to modern prices

 

$5.53 gallon for Jet A

$5.98 gallon for 100LL

 

And new tires (if you don't replace the tires every ten flights, you crash and have to repurchase your machine).

 

We've got to pay for development of all these aircraft people want, somehow!

[Crump]

It is over a $1000 USD to fill the oil in a P51 today!!

[Kurfurst]

Re 2000 / M????VAG H???

[Krupi]

...and fuel!

 

(You can buy 100 Octane if you are a premium member!)

 

It can be linked realtime to modern prices

 

$5.53 gallon for Jet A

$5.98 gallon for 100LL

 

And new tires (if you don't replace the tires every ten flights, you crash and have to repurchase your machine).

 

We've got to pay for development of all these aircraft people want, somehow!

 

Someone being playing too much WOT... 

 

Please don't bring any of that nonsense here.

[6S.Manu]

I don't care about which planes will be in BOS, I care about the way they are develped (FM and DM speaking).

 

Still IL2s and Stukas are a must from release: add a pair of fighters.

 

 

Preferences aside, but if one look in ATAG server - basically a representative of CloD online - see:

 

BF109E x SpitIIA

 

A few Hurris, and ocasionally a half dozen of Bombers, most in "Blue" side.

 

How many times someone see a G-50 in fight?

 

So, worth modeling these non "uber cannon" planes?

 

Just to clarify my preference is early war planes - little interest in "post D-day" planes/scenaries.

 

Sokol1

IMO it's because of the way the sim is developed.

I don't like to fly with the peashooters as the Mc200 because of the unrealistic ingame SA.

Peashooters COULD do a lot of damage if you could actually make some ambush (having the time required to aim and fire in the right spots since the victim has not seen you), something that's not possible in the current engine against rational enemies (because they watch on their six and see dots) or because some bogus feature like the "engine radar" (I dont' remember... has ROF engine radar too?).

Without having the time to aim and fire, peashooters are really limited, and so flying them can be really frustrating.

Edited December 21, 2012 by 6SManu

[6S.Manu]

BTW, IL2s will be a demo for the DM capabilities of the engine: german should damage them only by firing at the radiator... if in BOS this is going to work differently, then we have not a realistic sim.

Edited December 21, 2012 by 6SManu

[Krupi]

It was called a flying tank for a reason :D

[ATAG_Slipstream]

JU52's played quite a large part in Stalingrad, so it would make sense to have them. Didn't the devs say there would be no AI only planes though?

[senseispcc]

I love the Spitfire my second one is the La5fn but the La5 is not bad at all  or the Yak9 are fine figthers also!

[Faustnik]

It is over a $1000 USD to fill the oil in a P51 today!!

Ouch! :o

 

I thought that my bass boat was too expensive to full up.

[310thWillyVic]

The  P-40 would suit me just fine.

 

Good to see y'all here.....

 

 

WV

[Mac_Messer]

BTW, IL2s will be a demo for the DM capabilities of the engine: german should damage them only by firing at the radiator... if in BOS this is going to work differently, then we have not a realistic sim.

I prefer a well placed AP round for the pilot.

[Caudron431]

JU52's played quite a large part in Stalingrad, so it would make sense to have them. Didn't the devs say there would be no AI only planes though?

 

Agree, i am all for a flyable Ju52 too.

 

More than only that i wish some aerial/logistical dimension could be implemented in the game (online campaigns for instance). Awarding pilots for successful logistic missions would be awesome.

[NZTyphoon]

First choice Pe-2 - just bought the Crowood book on the Pe-2 http://www.amazon.com/Petlyakov-Pe-2-Peshka-Peter-Smith/dp/1861265883 and have pre-ordered the Osprey Pe-2 Guards Units http://www.amazon.com/Guards-Units-World-Combat-Aircraft/dp/1780960654

 

...changed vote from Macchi, but still second choice.

[FlatSpinMan]

That matches my recollection, Uther. RoF has an artillery spotter role, so presumably they could do something with logistics. Just thinking about it now though, guess it wouldn't have to be anything too fancy to be realistic. These guys did vital work but examples of transport pilots with the Knights to the Oak Leaves (to the R to the A to the O-O-Oh!!!) or whatever don't exactly spring to mind*.

 

Arrive at the other end = WIN

Do it many times = MEDAL or promotion

 

I suppose you could have some tonnage stats or something. It would be quite satisfying for someone of my piloting skills.

 

 

 

 

*In about two seconds someone's going to post a complete list of all such individuals, I can just tell. A comment like that is the equivalent of the Bat Signal to flight simmers.

[NZTyphoon]

Agree, i am all for a flyable Ju52 too.

 

More than only that i wish some aerial/logistical dimension could be implemented in the game (online campaigns for instance). Awarding pilots for successful logistic missions would be awesome.

 

Aerial supply drops! Fw 200s or He 177s would be really interesting...

[Rjel]

I voted for the Macchi202. One of the prettiest WWII fighters IMO. But I'd buy a 109G2 if it were available. Cut my IL2 teeth on one from the beginning. Still the plane I fly the best in that sim as much as I wish it weren't so.

[LukeFF]

Someone being playing too much WOT... 

 

Please don't bring any of that nonsense here.

 

It was a joke. Relax.

[BigC63]

The only bad thing about the RoF model is that some of us bought all the planes as they came out, which translates into we spent about $400 on the game

 

Luckily we've learned from that so we wait for a sale or just buy what we fly. On the other hand when things settle down they maybe release only one plane per month or less.

$10-15 Per month for a Hobby's not so bad. Still my preference would be a $50 Theatre box set with 10 planes a map and an offline campaign. After that start preorders and built what people

are willing to pay for. Pretty simple, put your money where your mouth is.

[JG13_opcode]

Needs more Yakovlev votes.

[SYN_Ricky]

I would like to see the Boston modeled at some point.

[71st_AH_Hooves]

where my p-39??

http://www.apacheclips.com/boards/vbtube_show.php?tubeid=1933

[heinkill]

What about the Pe-8? Was that involved? A flyable Russian heavy would be good.

[Vig]

The IAR and Italian planes interest me the most.  Except for a Grumman Skyrocket. 

[heinkill]

Il-4? Any strikes by those units? There must have been Russian heavies in the fight sometime.

 

 

But I guess we are only going to get a few of the main combatants at release, not any of the 'exotics': quotes from B6 on the sukhoi.ru forums

 

Of the aircraft was not ready yet, some stuck to the announcement and subsequent updates. We also 109G-2 was never shown - I tried to talk several times Ilya from this.

At the main workhorse is just going to focus for the release.

 

We definitely can not compete with the old "IL-2" in terms of number of models, the increased time needed to create each aircraft has not been canceled. Condor is already there and you can insert it, the rest of the exotic can not even have time to start doing.

 

Tried to rely solely on the mass of a particular model. MiG-s there was almost no or did not exist, despite what sources to build.
The main types of fighters - the Yak-1, Yak-7B, LaGG-3, La-5.

I-153, I-16, Hurricane, P-40 - in scanty number ve, and by November so all were knocked out for the most part. Yak-9 and Yak-1b current appeared.

Model Ishak yet been made, it was necessary for us and we will show. But I talk about the closure of the project 1C. How will the new CES - I could not tell)

 

I agree, need. Reserve on Hurricane as a model of WT and cab is, and if there is a release, it surely will come later in the form of supplements. The P-40 in the 1C generally no work has taken place, the chances of its occurrence near zero [in the release] in my estimation.

 

Edited January 4, 2013 by heinkill

[gavagai]

Needs more Yakovlev votes.

 

No kidding.  I think it's amazing that more people are voting for lend-lease aircraft than domestic Russian aircraft for an Eastern front battle scenario.

[wiseblood]

I don't know if it's that so much as a phrasing issue of the poll - I don't expect to pay $10/15 for a yak, if there are going to be 10 flyables from the start and it's not F2P, I expect them to be in the release

 

 

[BlitzPig_EL]

I'm sure that if this poll was taken over at Sukhoi that the Yaks would have a huge vote count.

 

We all like the aircraft from our home areas.  It's just human nature.

[VaeTibi]

 

Il-4? Any strikes by those units? There must have been Russian heavies in the fight sometime.

 

 

But I guess we are only going to get a few of the main combatants at release, not any of the 'exotics': quotes from B6 on the sukhoi.ru forums

 

Of the aircraft was not ready yet, some stuck to the announcement and subsequent updates. We also 109G-2 was never shown - I tried to talk several times Ilya from this.

At the main workhorse is just going to focus for the release.

 

We definitely can not compete with the old "IL-2" in terms of number of models, the increased time needed to create each aircraft has not been canceled. Condor is already there and you can insert it, the rest of the exotic can not even have time to start doing.

 

Tried to rely solely on the mass of a particular model. MiG-s there was almost no or did not exist, despite what sources to build.

The main types of fighters - the Yak-1, Yak-7B, LaGG-3, La-5.

I-153, I-16, Hurricane, P-40 - in scanty number ve, and by November so all were knocked out for the most part. Yak-9 and Yak-1b current appeared.

Model Ishak yet been made, it was necessary for us and we will show. But I talk about the closure of the project 1C. How will the new CES - I could not tell)

 

I agree, need. Reserve on Hurricane as a model of WT and cab is, and if there is a release, it surely will come later in the form of supplements. The P-40 in the 1C generally no work has taken place, the chances of its occurrence near zero [in the release] in my estimation.

 

Well if that is so I will be more than happy, that is a FW that is always welcome, and one I am really keen on flying!

[voncrapenhauser]

Voted Fw 190 but some Italian planes would be a nice addition.

I love flying the underdog aircraft. :D

[JG1_Pragr]

As there is no such option I join to those people who wrote Hs-129B

[FTC_Karaya]

BTW, IL2s will be a demo for the DM capabilities of the engine: german should damage them only by firing at the radiator... if in BOS this is going to work differently, then we have not a realistic sim.

 

I think you are fantasizing here, yes the IL-2 was well armoured around the engine and cockpit but everything else was not, it wouldnt have been able to even get airborne if it was fully armoured, armour being quite costly on the weight side of things. Having said that I dont see why it should for example be impossible to shoot off wings or the tail of an IL-2 with enough HMG or cannon fire as all of that was made of wood for the majority of the war. Only very late examples were built with metal wings and even that does not make it invulnerable.

 

When exactly was the notion born that IL-2s are invincible? If you have a look at how many of them were built and how many of those that saw action were shot down you will realize that it was not indestructible at all...

Edited January 16, 2013 by JG52Karaya

[6S.Manu]

I think you are fantasizing here, yes the IL-2 was well armoured around the engine and cockpit but everything else was not, it wouldnt have been able to even get airborne if it was fully armoured, armour being quite costly on the weight side of things. Having said that I dont see why it should for example be impossible to shoot off wings or the tail of an IL-2 with enough HMG or cannon fire as all of that was made of wood for the majority of the war. Only very late examples were built with metal wings and even that does not make it invulnerable.

 

When exactly was the notion born that IL-2s are invincible? If you have a look at how many of them were built and how many of those that saw action were shot down you will realize that it was not indestructible at all...

 

I'm reporting the words of Christer Bergstrom in "Graf & Grislawski":

 

It [iL2] was extremely heavy armoured, the fuselage wasa protected with 4 mm-to-13 mm thick steel plating and 5 mm -thick duralumin, and due to this it became known asthe "Cement Bomber" among the German fighter pilots. The only weak spot of the IL-2 was the unprotected radiator beneath the aricraft belly. - page 48

 

Here is the second encounter of Grislawski with the russian bomber:

 

 

The two Rheinmetall MGs ... flashed. The bullets tracers hit the fuselage just behind the cockpit, their stream of fire creating a glowing bridge between the German and the Soviet aircraft. It was merely routine. His thumb pressed down the firing button to the heavy cannon.

 

Alfred Grislawski could not believe what he saw. The powerful shells from the 20mm ... struck their target. and bounced off! Grislawski could clearly see the black dots bouncing off in cascade of sparks.

There were no signs of any damage. The enemy pilot held his crate straight and level, without making any evasive manouvre.

Grislawski reduced speed as much as possible. The treetops flashed only a few feet below while Grislawski aimed and opened fire with all arms. Once again, with no effect.

 

Still, the Il-2 was flying so low ... The IL-2 pilot was absolutely alone. He had no radio to communicate with anyone ...Once again the whole world appeared tp shake and the air was filled with a series of deafening bangs and bullets and shells slammed against the thick armor beneath the seat.

 

But his 4th attack the field went flat, with no trees under them, so the German pilot could go under his belly before the Russian could go lower:

 

The radiator had been hit, and the oil temperaturerose rapidly. There was nothing left than to attempt to make a belly-landing.

 

IMO the fact that numerous IL-2s were lost during the war is a matter of different variables. I can think to some of them, stressed in the account above:

- IL-2 was mainly a low attack bomber (arguably the worst role during the WW2 air warfare, just read about the Tempests);

- the russian pilots was not provided with radio; there are many German pilots' accounts of destroying almost entire Russian formations , downing a plane after the other without any evasive action by the victims.

- the IL-2 formations were usually unescorted (in the book they say Russians were using their fighters to cover their airspace, not to create air superiority helping the IL-2s... so some IL-2 were used as escort fighters);

- IL-2 was a slow and heavy machine: they could not escape, could not take evasive actions different from getting lower (or flying in circles): there are more than one account of IL-2s trying to manouvre that stalled and crashed.

 

These are my opionions: but really I'm going to read something about it.

Edited January 21, 2013 by 6S.Manu

[AX2]

Otto "Bruno" Kittel  - 267 kills

 

IL2 Sturmoviks - 93 Kills

 

http://www.luftwaffe.cz/kittel.html

 

Many times get 2 o 3 Kills of IL2 in 3 to 5 minutes.

 

Its only one pilot you cand find more.

 

I think the IL2 is a sturdy and tough plane.

But there are also a lot of " The legend of IL2"

Edited January 21, 2013 by Mustang

[6S.Manu]

The absolute majority of those kills were claimed by Kittel flying the Fw190. And if you look at the altitude of the kills, you'll notice that usually it was very low: are we sure that those bombers were badly damaged? I don't think so.

 

My first post was about 109 vs IL-2, and not the ones with gunpods.

 

IL-2s were really sturdy, but 3+ cannons were probably too much... :-)

Edited January 21, 2013 by 6S.Manu

[AX2]

I think The IL2 is a realy strong plane, ofcourse !!!

But I think one cannon is enough

 

 

The IL2 is a shielded plane, and have many armor plates, 4mm to 12mm, for the rest..... is a common plane?? 

The question is.

Where has the armor plates ?

 

 

The second question is

Which ammunition , will be used against the IL2, and how many millimeters can penetrate ? 

 

 

 

For MG 151/15

 

Panzergranatpatrone, L-spur.

Armor piercing steel shot, with tracer, projectile weight 72 grams initial speed 850 m/s. The tracer elemente endure at list 1100 meters.

Penetration table for Pzg.Ptr. L-spur. 25 mm at 100 meters and 13 mm at 600 meters, both in vertical (90?

Edited January 22, 2013 by Mustang

[Crump]

 

Hull of IL-2 was carried out from sheets of homogeneous armor AB thickness from 4 to 6 mm. The top, sides and bottom sheets and engine bonnet had a thickness of 4 mm, drive screws - 6 mm. Side panels, covering the bottom and rear fuel tanks, made of 5 and 6 mm of armor, and tank top - 4 mm. The side walls of the cockpit had a thickness of 6 mm. Cockpit floor was made of 5-mm sheet of armor. From the rear hemisphere pilot and rear gas tank defended 12mm broneperegorodkoy of cemented armor HD. At the same time it is also the power of frame joint hulls with tail fyuzelyazha.V front lense pilot was put clear armor thickness of 64 mm. Transparent armor is established also for the pilot's head. The top and sides were covered head pilot lamp mounted on a 6-mm armor. Armor plates are connected by aluminum alloy ribbons on steel rivets and partly on the anchor nuts and bolts. Total weight bronedetaley serial IL-2 was 780 kg.

 

 

Keep in mind that a simple comparison of milimeter for milimeter is not valid.  Not all armor is created equally.