New Poll: Which LW plane do you want in BoS?

[Faustnik]

_{I voted for the P-40 but, what I really want is several versions I-16s.} 

[Blarg_Blar_Luftwaffles]

The only bad thing about the RoF model is that some of us bought all the planes as they came out, which translates into we spent about $400 on the game.

Also, if they put the I.A.R. 80 in the game, I'd crap my pants.

[heinkill]

I'd price the IAR 80 at 50 USD. Anyone who buys it at all must want it baaaad.

[RedDragon]

If you want them all its between 190 - 285USD for something that should been there from the beginning. And then more for small adons. I dont hope thats the road they are going.

[150GCT_Pag]

I voted too, C200/202 of course (I'm italian, and I love that planes   ).

But I think that was possible make the votation only once, but I see that someone had voted for a lot of aircraft...

[mapalm]

Here another italian, and one more vote for the macchi. But as Veltro wrote the 109 first!

 

Looking at the work done on RoF I do think that with this teamship it won't be a wishfull thinking to have/develope an historically accurate plane set.

[SlipBall]

Because of its popularity and effectiveness  I think that the P-39 should have also been in this poll

[=IRFC=Huetz]

I'm hoping for a basic set that covers the basic sets plus an included lend-lease plane for the initial release. Based on what's actually in, it would then either come down to the P-40, Hurricane or P-39.

 

The good old U-2 would also be really cool to fly however that would probably be way to obscure to justify it put in that early.

[J5_Lehmann]

I really got to admit I don`t like the ROF system very much. All planes at once would be better for the players, but not better for the men who want to earn money with it... Will there be a store or such stuff?

[Tigereyes]

My vote for amazing Macchi, and i hope to see a fantastic Stuka.

 

 

 

 

Ciao

[heinkill]

Viva Italia!

[addman]

I voted too, C200/202 of course (I'm italian, and I love that planes   ).

But I think that was possible make the votation only once, but I see that someone had voted for a lot of aircraft...

 

I also voted for the C200/202 and I'm NOT Italian but those Macchis are some of my favourites and they actually saw quite some action in the Stalingrad battles.

[heinkill]

Good article here on the Italians on the Eastern front.

 

http://ww2eagles.blogspot.dk/2012/01/macchis-over-steppe-macchi-c200-saetta.html

 

 

[Mac_Messer]

I`d pay for all of the 109`s.Maybe for a 190 some other time. Macchi/IAR is not worth a penny.

 

That is IF the new sim can give me online wars.

[wayno77]

I'd like the G-2.  

[fly_zo]

.... Su-26M    ;-) 

 

cheers

Z

[heinkill]

So the dev diary said 10 aircraft will be in the 'launch pack'. That's more than I expected.

 

From the above list I'm hoping Bf109e7, Bf109F4, Bf110, Ju87, Ju88A / IL2, Yak1, La5, Hurricane, Macchi 200

 

Gives them all the favourite LW types, allowing release of other variants later, and for VVS a couple of international machines to broaden the game's appeal beyond Russia. P40 could makenit in, instead ofnthe Hurricane, He111 instead of the Ju88.

 

That still leaves a ton of interesting machines and minor variants that can be sold as add ons while they work on the Med expansion

[BlitzPig_EL]

Seeing as the Russians didn't like the Hurricane particulary, I would hope for the P 40 first.

[ATAG_Slipstream]

P40 would appeal to the American market, so I can see that being there.I really hope they don't do the FW190 for BoS, because much as I like it, it wasn't there!

[BlitzPig_EL]

Have to stick with the historic plane set, be sure.

 

We all have our favorites, but historical accuracy must be paramount.

[VaeTibi]

If you are asking for a FW, then at least one that was around at the time, and none of this "what if" stuff by bringing in planes at a time they definately where not in use.

On that basis if FW then a FW200 as a long range transport.  Just waiting for the first to wish for Me262s or so called German UFOs.

Edited December 16, 2012 by VaeTibi

[wiseblood]

I've been thinking about it myself, personally I wouldn't mind a slight shift from the existing ROF business model to something more like a themed pack.

 

So, say, you have the basic theatre, starting with the soviet counterattack as has already been mentioned, and that contains such and such aircraft, features and whatever.

 

But, from that point foward, it might be interesting if instead of selling just 1 plane, they do something more like a traditional expansion pack - less than Aces/Pacific for Il-2, but more than just one plane.

 

So without making any assumptions on what planes ship in the game, you have the base game of BOS, then

 

Pack 1 - Ju-88 + Pe-2 flyable, unlocks dive bombing missions, campaign module is updated to support tactical troop support missions

 

Pack 2 - Lend Lease pack, Hurricane and P-40m flyable, adds a supply component to the campaign engine whereby planes can be attrited out of service for lack of parts, guns made available or not (or are retrofitted out) to support more ersatz armament.

 

Pack 3 - Transport pack, adds 323/Ju52 as flyables, adds supply drop objectives and missions

 

You get the general idea even if you might not want those particular things to be addons or whatever.  The thing is - at least from ROF experience - it is possible that not every single 'important' plane might get done, or might get the support needed for it's mission type to properly integrate, at the time of release.  So I wonder if a higher price, more content set of addons, with more coherent focus, which integrate the aircraft right down the line by their function (so game logic functions, campaign support, etc could be included) might be better than say, adding a seaplane to the game before there is anything for it to do in particular.  Not that I mind the seaplane in ROF, just that it is still in search of something to do some time after arriving as flyable

Edited December 17, 2012 by wiseblood

[Foobar]

Flyable Ju 52, He 111 and FW 200 to supply 6th army. A hand full of Bf 109 for JG 3 "Udet". What else? I don't see any air fights between november 42 and february 43 in significant amounts.

 

[SlipBall]

Seeing as the Russians didn't like the Hurricane particulary, I would hope for the P 40 first.

but I don't think that the Russians liked the P-40 either, the P-39 was the work horse between all of the lend lease aircraft. It was the American flying tank and just one cannon round was extremely effective.

[Krupi]

I don't expect it to be in at release and I know it didn't have a large role in this battle but I didn't have the will to not vote for the 190... Forgive me :|

[VaeTibi]

I don't expect it to be in at release and I know it didn't have a large role in this battle but I didn't have the will to not vote for the 190... Forgive me :|

Setzen sechs...............

[AdlerAngriff]

I think that British lend-lease planes are a thing for a future addon. I love the idea of flyably Ju 52. Been watching ice pilots NWT lately. And if the flight model is done well it can be a real challenge flying a Junkers 52 in cold icy weather. Plus you get that feeling.....my comrades need me.....I need to survive this flight, bring back wounded.....but then again I'm so vunerable......horrible war....

 

Realistically I think we will gett he basics needed to start a fight, amm Ju 87, Bf 109 G and F4.....some lavockins and Yak 1's, the Il2 at the time, maybe He111. Anyway I am super psyched for February, when more infor will be leaked

[ATAG_Slipstream]

Plane packs would be a good idea, either a Russian or LW pack, for people who only want to fly one side, or red fighter/LW fighter red bomber/LW bomber.

[Foobar]

I know it didn't have a large role in this battle

 

no role at all

[Sokol1]

Preferences aside, but if one look in ATAG server - basically a representative of CloD online - see:

 

BF109E x SpitIIA

 

A few Hurris, and ocasionally a half dozen of Bombers, most in "Blue" side.

 

How many times someone see a G-50 in fight?

 

So, worth modeling these non "uber cannon" planes?

 

Just to clarify my preference is early war planes - little interest in "post D-day" planes/scenaries.

 

Sokol1

[VaeTibi]

Preferences aside, but if one look in ATAG server - basically a representative of CloD online - see:

 

BF109E x SpitIIA

 

A few Hurris, and ocasionally a half dozen of Bombers, most in "Blue" side.

 

How many times someone see a G-50 in fight?

 

So, worth modeling these non "uber cannon" planes?

 

Just to clarify my preference is early war planes - little interest in "post D-day" planes/scenaries.

 

Sokol1

 

Well that is the problem, and it was so also in IL2, most whined for the over gunned late war monsters and got their wish granted.

So that when you had a look at hyperlobby, it was usually a bunch of kids in mindless fur balls, some where so crazy, they chose air bases very near to one another, and just turned their planes in the general direction of the enemy and let it rip.......The kids will always be in the majority and they will always wish for the aircraft with the biggest guns.

One can only hope that 777 does not soully view the under 12 year olds as their main customers. Otherwise you can forget the early war planes, the big slow bombers, the hassel of making nice missions, when the kids just want to fur ball.

Edited December 17, 2012 by VaeTibi

[BlitzPig_EL]

I remember when I used to host a lot for the BlitzPigs on Hyperlobby, I would have an early war scenario going, or even a Pacific scenario and a couple guys with some sort of JG in their tag would come in and whine cause they didn't have an FW 190 to fly.

 

Even had one guy tell me, not ask, but tell, (a language issue probably) to shut down the mission and add FW 190s for his squad.

On the Pacific Islands map, with an early war plane set...

 

Amazing.

 

I kicked them all out...

[SlipBall]

• You guys realized that the Russians were supplied with 1,232,991 rounds of the M54 cannon round for the P-39...just saying

• At one dollor US a round, Jason is a happy camper
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• High-explosive shell, 37 mm, M54 standard
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•  

This shell used the M56 point detonating fuse. The complete round weighs 1.99 lb (900 g); as fired, the projectile weighs 1.34 lb (608 g). The 0.16 lb (70 g) charge of M2 powder is a Hercules NG formula of single perforated grains with 0.030 in (0.76 mm) web and gives the projectile the prescribed muzzle velocity of 2,000 ft/s (610 m/s).

The M54 used a shell-destroying tracer in addition to the point-detonating fuze. The tracer had a burning time of three seconds at the end of which it set off an igniting relay charge of 1.68 gr (0.109 g) of Grade A-5 Army Black Powder which ignited a relay pellet that detonated the charge, destroying the shell before ground impact.

The bursting charge of tetryl weighed 0.10 lb (45 g), and the alternate Composition "A" charge weighs 0.105 lb (48 g). The tetryl loading consisted of a 200 gr (13 g) tetryl pellet pressed into the shell cavity under 9,000-10,000 psi (60-70 MPa) pressure and the remainder of the charge of two equal increments pressed under approximately 9,000 psi (60 MPa) pressure. The Composition "A" bursting charge is loaded in the same manner as the tetryl charge, except that the relay pellet with the Composition "A" weighs 36 gr (2.3 g) as against 23 gr (1.5 g) for the pellet used with the tetryl load

Edited December 17, 2012 by SlipBall

[MiloMorai]

the Russians were supplied with 1,232,991 rounds of the M54 cannon round for the P-39

 

The Russians received 4719 P-39s which means each P-39 was allocated 261 rounds of 37mm ammo or 9 reloads.

[SlipBall]

The Russians received 4719 P-39s which means each P-39 was allocated 261 rounds of 37mm ammo or 9 reloads.

Your not supposed to waste them only one round was needed, do the math on that ace, the best pilots had what maybe 60 individual air victories...the P-39 history is there to look at

Edited December 17, 2012 by SlipBall

[Krupi]

I kicked them all out...

 

I LOLED 

Edited December 17, 2012 by JG52Krupi

[Jaws2002]

I remember when I used to host a lot for the BlitzPigs on Hyperlobby, I would have an early war scenario going, or even a Pacific scenario and a couple guys with some sort of JG in their tag would come in and whine cause they didn't have an FW 190 to fly.

 

Even had one guy tell me, not ask, but tell, (a language issue probably) to shut down the mission and add FW 190s for his squad.

On the Pacific Islands map, with an early war plane set...

 

Amazing.

 

I kicked them all out...

I almost certainly know who they were. There was a JG squad that used to throw every bloody mission off ballance when they would join.

   Ten of them would join a mission with six red and eight blue players already flying. All would go blue and pick the most uber plane in the set.

Every bloody time.

 

 

• You guys realized that the Russians were supplied with 1,232,991 rounds of the M54 cannon round for the P-39...just saying

 

 

I'd probably use up that ammo in three sorties, and maybe manage to shoot down one or two slow a$$ bombers.

[Bearcat]

The only bad thing about the RoF model is that some of us bought all the planes as they came out, which translates into we spent about $400 on the game.

 

Also, if they put the I.A.R. 80 in the game, I'd crap my pants.

 

For me what I buy will be dictated by what I will fly initially.

 

If you want them all its between 190 - 285USD for something that should been there from the beginning. And then more for small adons. I dont hope thats the road they are going.

 

Lets not go there shall we.. We don't know what the business model will be but even it is close to this the old way of doing business is over. You can buy them or not. As I said.. I will buy what I want to fly myself first .. and since in the RoF model anyway every updated AC gets loaded onto your PC, you just can't fly till you buy.. which seems fair to me.

 

I really got to admit I don`t like the ROF system very much. All planes at once would be better for the players, but not better for the men who want to earn money with it... Will there be a store or such stuff?

 

Therin lies the rub. After all this is a business.  There is a store for RoF stuff so I would assume that there would be one for BoS stuff as well. The time to buy the planes you don't fly regularly is when 777 has an occasional sale.. and they do have them. I look at all the AC in IL2 and there are only about 12 that I fly regularly .. I am talking model .. not variant within models..  On this list I see about 5 that I would probably buy outright and maybe about  5 or 6 more I would get on sale. The fact that I can still fly against them is one of the great things about the system that RoF uses.. but as I said remember Jason said that the model would be similar.. not the same. All that of course could be subject to change.

[PeterZvan]

Also there is a good thing in the 777 business system - it is an ongoing system where there is new content coming out reguraly - some for money and a lot which are basicly upgrades to the game engine for free.

RoF came a very long way with this - for all the money that we payed for the planes we also got much more in the maps, game modes, game engine updates....

Basicly the way I look at it - if RoF would have a normal business model, than we would allready be playing RoF 3 or 4 by now. Of course its needless to say that it would have tanked ages ago if it went that way. And if it would have survived, than it wouldnt be close to where it is now.

Enough OT

 

I am very much looking forward to a I-16 and I deffinitly second the P-40 wish.

But as long as the main historical planes are out at the start which make the airwar possible, than I will be happy. 
 

[dkoor]

Me wants LaGG-3, LA-5 and Bf-109F.

Those are the ones I'll be flying 99% of the time anyway (I suppose, just like in IL-2).

 

B)

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*voted for Friedrich, as for some weird reason I can't vote for multiple crafts, LaGG isn't even listed

Edited December 18, 2012 by dkoor