Take my money

[Rjel]

I'm on board for future content. And I would buy it sight unseen. At least one more time. I'm happy with what BoS is right now. I think we can be fairly confident of its continued evolution. With all the turmoil of this week, we've seen several improvements to the sim, discussion evolving from arguments and even movement from the development side regarding the campaign. I've no doubt in the long run, most will end up happy with BoS and it's fleshed out content. And I think a few people will have to eat some crow. Especially those who've ( IMO) been posting under aliases for the last few weeks sowing a lot of discontent.

Edited October 16, 2014 by Rjel

[Anw.StG2_Tyke]

Then you will probably also be disappointed when you find out that you cannot get the latest top of the range Mercedes for the price of a Hyundai  There is only so much you can get out of a finite development budget

 

Cheers Dakpilot

This is just a bad comparison. Becuase a Hyundai never stated that It will be a top of the range Mercedes. Where as BoS... well... slogans like that aren't really favorable:

We have only one goal - To give you a New Higher Level of Immersion!

Robust Single-Player Campaign that features a challenging and innovative AI system.

Unique and detailed damage model shows how deadly the weapons can be and will challenge even the best pilots.

IL-2 Sturmovik: Battle of Stalingrad is the next generation of the legendary IL-2 Sturmovik series that has set the standard for PC combat flight games for more than ten years.

 

All three points are for me not fully satisfied and many other things aren't too. Atleast when I buy a Hyundai, I get a Hyundai. But you don't have to answer and defend your beloved BoS because it would only derivate into a principle discussion.

[Pringliano]

And I'm on board too for anything coming to RoF the the Muromets tittles.

 

I have just installed RoF. 

 

Whow, I'm running short of time to learn all my 3 sims - ROF, IL2 BOS and PSX ...

[Rama]

What do you all have against Hyundai?

[TKessel]

Just FYI

If you are happy with the fact that we have a nice graphic, a simulation with is for you breathtaking (argueable) and a stable client, then you are the one who is easily to please in my humble opinon. For me, I want with everything and every project to be better than anything which is currently on the market. And in fact it simply doesn't matter how a game was at its release! This is just plain wrong. BoS has to cope with the games which are in their stance currently and not how they were back years ago.

 

In my opinion high expectations are a must have to provide progression. And no it is no progression if one thing is somewhere near the current level of arts and a lot of things are falling back.

Exactly, that's it! Compared to what we have with CloD and TF now BoS is not as good. For me first the clickable Pits come in mind which I said in the german forums many times. We have CloD and DCS with Clickpits, this was a big step forward (besides that Falcon 4.0 had that in December 1998). It should be normal that a new game is a step forward and has to meet the standards or should be above the standards established. I didn't spent at the DCS WWII Project when it came to Kickstarter, I spent my money here...why? Because I  trusted and hoped for that guys (yes sure they never told me I will have clickable pits - that is just something that came into my mind). However, I bought the Fw190 during the last year and nearly all other DCS modules and I'm HAPPY with them (even more when EDGE 2.0 will hit by end of this year).

 

So whatever you personally have in mind about the current state of the game, it is just right that it can not catch up with other Simulations which are already developed and at the market for a few years. For me the point also is not only about the current State of the Game / Sim but also the communication with the community.

 

When I think about spending 20€  for a new BoS Plane and I compare this to the 40USD I've spent for the Fw190 and Bf 109 K-4 in DCS, yes the both DCS planes are worth it - a 20€ new BoS plane...hmm - in comparsion, at the level we have at the moment - no. As I said, this is just my opinion!

 

BoS is nice, nice graphics, great sound...but that's not all! It sometimes reminds me too much of WarThunder, sorry to say that. The MP for now seems more to be instant action then anything else. Not what I'm looking for.

Edited October 16, 2014 by F31ix

[Y-29.Silky]

To me it`s the most promising flight-sim right now, and i would buy literally anything to support it and get the core of it past it`s current infant problems.

It has the potential old Il2 had in 2001, and that makes it worth a lot in my eyes.

This.

 

I just wish more people would play so I can uninstall War Thunder once and for all.

[-NW-ChiefRedCloud]

I'd also support another venture.  I've complained a lot throughout this process.....but hey.....we are getting there and I'm really impressed with the quality of the game at this stage.  I tell you what I'd support in particular.....I'd throw in some money for a nice dynamic campaign/career/single player generator.....With all the trimmings....rosters, markings, awards, career tracking....and a partridge in a pear tree.............................

I disagree in that what you want should be free IF made by this team. If third party, then we have to buy it. If BoS fly, i.ie. Sells well after release then another map and additional aircraft, etc, should pay for this as they need something more to keep it going.

 

Chief

Edited October 17, 2014 by -NW-ChiefRedCloud

[dburne]

Exactly, that's it! Compared to what we have with CloD and TF now BoS is not as good. For me first the clickable Pits come in mind which I said in the german forums many times. We have CloD and DCS with Clickpits, this was a big step forward (besides that Falcon 4.0 had that in December 1998). It should be normal that a new game is a step forward and has to meet the standards or should be above the standards established.

 

While I certainly  agree with much of what you said, in all fairness to the devs they did at least state from the very beginning, BOS would not have click pits.

[SCG_Neun]

I disagree in that what you want should be free IF made by this team. If third party, then we have to buy it. If BoS fly, i.ie. Sells well after release then another map and additional aircraft, etc, should pay for this as they need something more to keep it going.

 

Chief

Chief...I don't see them doing much for free in this line.  Seems like they will just wait for a third party to try and tackle this as it takes so much time and energy to wade through all the units, markings...historical settings......coding.....Without the funding upfront...I hate to say it....but it's going to be a wait.  I know I'm dreaming here...but I envisioned a standalone dynamic campaign generator.....like the old DCG system.  Just dial in the settings.....and presto....Lets face it...most of us that have already purchased BOS would be the potential users.....and they've already got our money.  Can't somebody get Bill Gates into air combat sims.....and make a kids dream come true?

[FuriousMeow]

Hey, no - don't wish that one JagdNeun - MS was already in CFSs and they churned out the CFS series. They were okay introductories to get into air combat but were basiclaly like Wings of Prety to the Il-2:1946 but worse.

 

Your dreams will be nightmares with MS involved in air combat sims.

 

But yes, you are absolutely correct with all of the research - and there are so many individuals in the WWII community that have fully researched everything that a small team of them plus a skilled coder like Starshoy or Pat Wilson (unfortunately he's a WWI guy) would pull of something amazing!

Edited October 17, 2014 by FuriousMeow

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Ah, just get Facebook into it. I'm sure that will go well. They already have the rights to Oculus.

 

 

 

 

 

*ducks

[Potenz]

give me a Ju-52 and a 110 and i will empty my bank account

[TKessel]

While I certainly  agree with much of what you said, in all fairness to the devs they did at least state from the very beginning, BOS would not have click pits.

Sure they never promised that and I also wrote that. For me personally clickable pits in combat flight SIMULATIONS are a big step forward, so it is a backstep for me to see a new Simulator (bearing the Name IL2 - which suggests to me that this product want to be a long time development plattform). So I'm OK with not having much content in the beginning, which I can absolute understand. But the base platform must be as high in standard as possible to have a loooong future.

[Bearcat]

Just as I did with BoS I would order any new content sight unseen. Regardless to what some may think of the implementation of some of it's features, the core.. the sim part of BoS is quite sound and very good. If you think about it honestly, this will be the finest new release of a WWII CFS to come along in over a decade. That is a fact. No other sim on the market now has been as good as this sim will be when it is released. Even if released as is. Think about that.

 

• DCS - Doesn't count.. DCS was built initially as a modern era sim, and even the recently added WWII content while quite good .. is NOT a WWII sim.
• IL2CoD - As good as IL2CoD may be now... it was no where near that when it was released and this after what a 6 year wait? It was unflyable on far too many rigs at the time it was released and I am sorry, if a large majority people have to upgrade their entire rigs just to run a sim at release, I'm not talking about running it well, just running it period, then it is not a good release. I upgraded my rig from my FX-60 with 4G of RAM and a GTX-260 to my current rig Fx-8350, 32G RAM,HD7870 two years ago.. and it runs everything I put on it including BoS to my satisfaction.. I could not run CoD in 2012.. at all. It was a complete slide show.
• Wings of Prey - While WoP was better than many gave it credit for and it had a lot of potential it had a tiny map, no mission builder of any kind just a quick scenario generator.. I cant even call it a mission builder. Initially you could not even customize your own skins. While the mission builder and customization system in BoS has not been fully fleshed out yet.. at least you have options... WoP died on the vine potential and all .. and it's "upgrade" if you will was ...
• War Thunder - OK WT is a decent enough flying game but it is not a sim, not yet anyway at least from what I have seen.

Which brings us back to those other WWII sims released over the last decade.. Oh wait.. there aren't any worth mentioning. So I will stand by this product and hope that the developers really take a good hard look at some of the things they chose to pass on initially and rethink them. Things like

• User content - The more users can contribute to a quality sim , which BoS is, the more that sim will grow. Limit that and you will not grow as much as you could. It's a fact. If IL2 had a system of unlocks and no mission builder, or a very clunky one, and no way for users top create stuff for it, from the UQMG, to Sturmolog, to Mission Mate, to IL2 Stab, Hardball's Viewer, IL2 manager and countless other things, the hundreds of missions, thousands of skins and more.. that is why IL2 is still being flown and enjoyed by thousands after well over a decade..
• Full scalability - if is worked b y a wheel or a lever it should be on an axis. Period. Any user of BoS should be able to set it up so his kid can fly it and then with some mouse clicks his inexperienced buddies can try it, and then with some more mouse clicks he can do his thing. If he has a decent GPU but a slightly above average CPU and middle of the road ram he should be able to tweak the sim to run best on HIS rig.

That is my take..

[SCG_Neun]

Bearcat....I share your memories on this evolution process....and I have to agree with you right down the line.

Edited October 17, 2014 by JagdNeun