Take my money

[duko]

So, with the imminent release what are the plans for allow us to support this title further? I think in this case i would agree with a day 1 DLC .

 

 

 

[Finkeren]

As much as I'd like to be able to purchase more content for BoS right away, selling DLC right after release might anger a lot of people due to the many still unresolved issues, that could've been solved instead of making DL content.

 

I can hardly wait to be able to purchase the Ju 52 though.

[avlSteve]

I'd pre-purchase the next map and plane set right now for another $95.

[StG2_zulu354]

What is the intention of this thread?

[=AVG=Zombie]

Seems to be a question about how to support the game after release? Pretty straight forward.....

[StG2_zulu354]

Not even while the game is released? The thread seems full of sarcasm for me...

[[TWB]80hd]

Some people are more interested in ensuring that their hobby is protected than in attempting to "punish" developers for perceived slights against their favorite aircraft or some game mechanic.

 

I don't think the OP is being sarcastic, but I could be wrong.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 Reminds me of a certain scene from Jim Carrey's Liar Liar when he mocked the co-workers in the office. Go figure which one Not a single dime from me before the core is fixed and there is more content...and do not mean MOAR UNLOCKS!

[duko]

It's not sarcasm, it's realism...i don't think the sales after 1.0 realease will get a major boost so, if u want this title to evolve in something great in future years then u must support it . For me, the base sim is excelent, i'm enjoying so i consider worth an investment in the future, it's not like u have alot of choises atm.

 

U have to think, the money they get from dlc planes, maps etc it will help to develop all the features that are missing now or are not so good implemented.

Edited October 16, 2014 by duko

[-NW-ChiefRedCloud]

As long as I am confident (even if it is in my own little world) that the Dev's are addressing issues, I see nothing wrong with DLC on launch. Just my opinion always subject to change of mind (what little I have left).

 

 

Chief

[avlSteve]

As far as I'm concerned, it's the most important piece of software in the world.  That may be bit of hyperbole, but it's definitely not sarcasm.

[6high]

To me it`s the most promising flight-sim right now, and i would buy literally anything to support it and get the core of it past it`s current infant problems.

It has the potential old Il2 had in 2001, and that makes it worth a lot in my eyes.

[IIN8II]

I am sure that we will get a roadmap for the future on (or shortly after) the initial release. Perhaps some of the aircraft skins are indicative of future campaigns .

[ParaB]

If 777/1C would announce a Kursk map and another 4 flyable aircraft for 50$ I'd pre-order in a heartbeat.

 

And I'd probably pay 10 times as much for a Falcon 4 style campaign set in an Eastern Front WW2 scenario.

[[TWB]80hd]

There is nothing in this game, right now, that I am overly upset about.

There are design decisions that have been made that I wouldn't have made, but that's life.  

 

There are many things that I have come to believe about the superiority of German hardware that has been challenged in-game, but I am no professional aeronautical engineer... The Soviet planes seem to be a match for the German aircraft, which means that the German pilots were exponentially better than their Soviet counterparts, I guess.  I'd been led to believe that the ShVAK was noticeably inferior to the MG 151, which is why it was replaced by the Berezin B-20 as fast as possible, but that understanding has been challenged as well.  I thought the La-5 was significantly flawed, but again, that was without any concrete backing.

 

I guess having no real horse in this race from a nationalistic standpoint has made it easier to accept the challenges to my preconceived notions on the disparities between Soviet and German hardware.

 

That being said, I literally have nothing to bitch about in this game.  Are there things that could have been done differently?  Of course!  Are there things that are so out of whack with reality that it is affecting my enjoyment?  When I step back and think about that question, I can only answer: no.

 

When I fly War Thunder, it's non-stop bullsh*t... even in Sim Mode  (Case in point NSFW language:  http://www.twitch.tv/x80hd/c/5143195 - cliffnotes: you want to bitch about the damage model in IL2?  WT is absolute garbage.  Single tap from an MG does catastrophic damage to my plane in a high speed extreme deflection pass)

 

When I fly Aces High, it's archaic arcade action at best, with a player base that thinks they are amazing pilots... when in fact they are simply amazing Aces High players.

 

When I fly IL2... I am having a good time.  All the time.  Even just flying.  It's a joy to fly IL2:BoS.  Bottom line.  Taxiing, taking off, landing... even these simple tasks are modeled with a level of fidelity that produces a sense of accomplishment.

 

Too many people are throwing the baby out with the bathwater.  This sim is brilliant.

 

Why are so many sim pilots never happy with anything?

 

[dragon76]

I would gladly support any "hardcore" sim on the market (and I did) but next time I will wait with payments because next time I dont want surprises like grinding for unlocks for MP, lack of custom graphics options (??!!), game engine capabilities (SEOW) and usable ME...."Small things" like this makes world of difference.

Edited October 16, 2014 by dragon76

[SharpeXB]

I will buy everything they make.

[Pringliano]

I will buy everything they make.

 

Me too :-)

 

Maps, add-on aircraft, mods, whatever they make available....

[Trinkof]

I will buy everything they make.

Me too, even shortly after launch... Especialy anything involving a yak 9

Edited October 16, 2014 by LAL_Trinkof

[SR-F_Winger]

Cannot wait to preorder the fisrt addon as well!!

[[JG2]R7_Blackadder]

I share the enthusiastic comments in this forum, but before going for the wallet again I want the stuff in front of me. I share your support for BoS and its Devs, but think I won't pre-order anymore though.

[-NW-ChiefRedCloud]

If 777/1C would announce a Kursk map and another 4 flyable aircraft for 50$ I'd pre-order in a heartbeat.

 

And I'd probably pay 10 times as much for a Falcon 4 style campaign set in an Eastern Front WW2 scenario.

Considering $20 for the channel map in RoF and $20 per aircraft in BoS this would be a bargain, huh?

 

Chief

Edited October 16, 2014 by -NW-ChiefRedCloud

[ST_ami7b5]

...

 

Why are so many sim pilots never happy with anything?

 

I am happy with RoF.

I am happy with IL-2 1946 HSFX.

I like CloD TF

I like DCS modules

I like BoB II

I like WoFF

 

I would like BoS to be successor of IL-2 1946

[CaK_Rumcajs]

I am happy with RoF.

I am happy with IL-2 1946 HSFX.

I like CloD TF

I like DCS modules

I like BoB II

I like WoFF

 

I would like BoS to be successor of IL-2 1946

I was just thinking what to post and ... there is nothing left to say. Thx

[SCG_Neun]

I'd also support another venture.  I've complained a lot throughout this process.....but hey.....we are getting there and I'm really impressed with the quality of the game at this stage.  I tell you what I'd support in particular.....I'd throw in some money for a nice dynamic campaign/career/single player generator.....With all the trimmings....rosters, markings, awards, career tracking....and a partridge in a pear tree.............................

Edited October 16, 2014 by JagdNeun

[DD_Arthur]

I will buy everything they make.

 

Yep, same here.

[bivalov]

So, with the imminent release what are the plans for allow us to support this title further? I think in this case i would agree with a day 1 DLC .

dont worry about your next 100 dollars

 

developers just waiting results of their efforts - because number of fresh blood, and degree of success of game, will affect on future

 

so, it's just too early to talk about concrete things

 

but,

 

about near plans, on russian (looks like that i cant translate correctly) -

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/topic/1947-obsuzhdenie-80-j-chasti-dnevnikov-razrabotchika/page-31?do=findComment&comment=206544

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/topic/1974-obsuzhdenie-81-j-chasti-dnevnikov-razrabotchika/page-51?do=findComment&comment=211332

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/topic/1974-obsuzhdenie-81-j-chasti-dnevnikov-razrabotchika/page-53?do=findComment&comment=211440

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

dont worry about your next 100 dollars

 

developers just waiting results of their efforts - because number of fresh blood, and degree of success of game, will affect on future

 

so, it's just too early to talk about concrete things

 

but,

 

about near plans, on russian (looks like that i cant translate correctly) -

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/topic/1947-obsuzhdenie-80-j-chasti-dnevnikov-razrabotchika/page-31?do=findComment&comment=206544

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/topic/1974-obsuzhdenie-81-j-chasti-dnevnikov-razrabotchika/page-51?do=findComment&comment=211332

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/topic/1974-obsuzhdenie-81-j-chasti-dnevnikov-razrabotchika/page-53?do=findComment&comment=211440

can some one translate please? the internet suxs.

 

Boy I thought the drama only exist on the English forums, apparently the same is going on in the Russian forums as well.

Edited October 16, 2014 by 71st_Mastiff

[[TWB]80hd]

I am happy with RoF.

I am happy with IL-2 1946 HSFX.

I like CloD TF

I like DCS modules

I like BoB II

I like WoFF

 

I would like BoS to be successor of IL-2 1946

 

How happy were people with RoF and CloD before extensive revisions were made post-release?

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

How happy were people with RoF and CloD before extensive revisions were made post-release?

I was disappointed when it was first release; after 777 took it over and bought the NEOQB guys; and then after one year they turned it around! I was very happy and still happy, I love the Campaign career mod, and other things that I wish they would of used in BOS.

[Finkeren]

How happy were people with RoF and CloD before extensive revisions were made post-release?

 

With RoF? Happy enough, because it actually worked. It was recognised at the time, that there was an extreme lack of content, but the sim itself was quite good and very stable with lots of potential for development. The same thing really goes for BoS, except that BoS is in a much, much better shape content-wise. I buy it not only for what it's gonna be at launch but for what I expect it to evolve into in the coming years. 

 

ClOD on the other hand was fairly heavy in content (inside the actual sim anyway) but was such a mess of bugs and stability issues, that I quickly gave up on it and left it on the shelf for years until I became aware of TFs work.

[dburne]

I was disappointed when it was first release; after 777 took it over and bought the NEOQB guys; and then after one year they turned it around! I was very happy and still happy, I love the Campaign career mod, and other things that I wish they would of used in BOS.

 

Now that I will agree with you on!

[avlSteve]

can some one translate please? the internet suxs.

 

Boy I thought the drama only exist on the English forums, apparently the same is going on in the Russian forums as well.

 

 

Bottom line, BOS is so good already that no amount of drama can negate its awesomeness, so screw all that nonsense! 

[ST_ami7b5]

How happy were people with RoF and CloD before extensive revisions were made post-release?

 

The original question was: "Why are so many sim pilots never happy with anything?"

So I listed  6 sims I am happy with.

That's all.

[bivalov]

Boy I thought the drama only exist on the English forums, apparently the same is going on in the Russian forums as well.

you thought that is something like "alien versus predator"? well, at least, i can state that these dudes really have almost identical behavior.

 

 

very simlpe translation...

 

 

devs worked 20 months...

 

and now they can only wait results...

 

so, all plans it's just fantasies...

 

BUT, ok, just for example, if need get money - LOFT thinks that need create "theaters of war" - and this is will be 8+2 planes + map (or several maps if season change in campaign)...

 

you knows our price...

 

date of possible release - 1 time in year +/- 4 months

 

and in future LOFT wants PvE and PvP, which will be based on campaign

 

 

we dont want to create and sell separate planes...

 

this is possible, only if only hardcore players will to buy this game...

 

for those guys have reason in creating of separate different planes, "for collection" and "how fly I-16?"...

 

but LOFT wanted to leave this even in ROF...

 

he want create theaters.

 

 

 

we will to wait results of sales, and further are possible next variants:

 

1) optimistic variant - immediately need to do next project, all really enjoy game, and need more content

 

2) not bad variant - all enjoy game, but that's too difficult, and interface should be simplified, need more materials for easier understanding, and need work with tutors-society. some devs leave team...

 

3) pessimistic variant - only fans bought this game, and need to focus on instruments, many devs will be fired, planned work with players through instruments

 

 

our priority now - quality base for upcoming players, it's was hard, but now we have chances...what will be further, LOFT just dont knows...

 

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

can some one translate please? the internet suxs.

Basic points I could catch:

 

- 3 possebilities for the game to develop after release. 1st If popular they'll soon work on a new scenario pack with less content to gain new money as quick as possible, 2nd The game is getting a refresh with tutorials and enhencements / simplifications to attract newcomers easier and 3rd development team will be reduced to a handfull of people workign on comunity tools and user file support to leave it to their customers to enhence the game.

- new scenario would take 1 year at least ( + - 4 months)

- up to now all EA money founds have been spend, company relies on selling it at this state more or less

 

Edit: Biavlov was faster. Thx for quick tranlation anyway!

Edited October 16, 2014 by [Jg26]5tuka

[[TWB]80hd]

The original question was: "Why are so many sim pilots never happy with anything?"

So I listed  6 sims I am happy with.

That's all.

 

Ahhh... see where I said "so many" and not "all"?  That was the part that made your post irrelevant from the outset, since you clearly don't fall into that category... in fact, your list is so substantial that I would say you seem easily pleased.

 

However, your listing of two sims that I know for a fact were less than exemplary at their release (And in the case of CloD did not get better until MUCH later) led me down the path of wondering whether or not you understood the fact that they were no where near as playable, fun, or complete at their release as BoS is pre-release.

 

As you are implying that you are not happy with BoS currently, I am genuinely and sincerely curious as to why that would be the case (with you, or anyone else for that matter).

 

There are certainly things that could be considered frustrating, but the title is incredibly stable and the simulation itself is breathtaking.  Aside from the unlock issue, the only thing I have heard negative against it are the same various quibbles every sim has: "This plane should be faster" "This plane should be slower" "This plane is the wrong one for timeframe blah blah" "This porridge is too hot" etc, etc...

 

None of that, to me, adds up to being "unhappy" with the sim, so again, I am trying to have an open mind and understand my fellow players plight.  

 

I want as many people to fly with and against as possible.

[Anw.StG2_Tyke]

Ahhh... see where I said "so many" and not "all"?  That was the part that made your post irrelevant from the outset, since you clearly don't fall into that category... in fact, your list is so substantial that I would say you seem easily pleased.

 

However, your listing of two sims that I know for a fact were less than exemplary at their release (And in the case of CloD did not get better until MUCH later) led me down the path of wondering whether or not you understood the fact that they were no where near as playable, fun, or complete at their release as BoS is pre-release.

 

As you are implying that you are not happy with BoS currently, I am genuinely and sincerely curious as to why that would be the case (with you, or anyone else for that matter).

 

There are certainly things that could be considered frustrating, but the title is incredibly stable and the simulation itself is breathtaking.  Aside from the unlock issue, the only thing I have heard negative against it are the same various quibbles every sim has: "This plane should be faster" "This plane should be slower" "This plane is the wrong one for timeframe blah blah" "This porridge is too hot" etc, etc...

 

None of that, to me, adds up to being "unhappy" with the sim, so again, I am trying to have an open mind and understand my fellow players plight.  

 

I want as many people to fly with and against as possible.

Just FYI

If you are happy with the fact that we have a nice graphic, a simulation with is for you breathtaking (argueable) and a stable client, then you are the one who is easily to please in my humble opinon. For me, I want with everything and every project to be better than anything which is currently on the market. And in fact it simply doesn't matter how a game was at its release! This is just plain wrong. BoS has to cope with the games which are in their stance currently and not how they were back years ago.

 

In my opinion high expectations are a must have to provide progression. And no it is no progression if one thing is somewhere near the current level of arts and a lot of things are falling back.

[keeno]

Hey ,

 

I too am very happy with this sim so far, worth every penny in my eyes, I've had more than my money's worth, what could I get with the money I spent, a few drinks and a take away? 

 

I've bought everything for RoF and since BoS I've hardly flown it but at least I'm supporting the genre.

 

I'd also buy whatever they release for BoS too based on what Ive experinced so far in the developement.

 

Bring it on!

[Dakpilot]

. For me, I want with everything and every project to be better than anything which is currently on the market. And in fact it simply doesn't matter how a game was at its release! This is just plain wrong. BoS has to cope with the games which are in their stance currently and not how they were back years ago.

 

 

Then you will probably also be disappointed when you find out that you cannot get the latest top of the range Mercedes for the price of a Hyundai  There is only so much you can get out of a finite development budget

 

Cheers Dakpilot