Why should I preorder Premium and not Standard?

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

Of course the FW190 has enough firepower, i would imagine most people do on this forum, esp the red pilots.

[FuriousMeow]

Interesting that a "dedicated German pilot" doesn't know the armament of the planes he flies.

 

190A-1 was also 4xMG17 and 2xMG-FF and A2 upgraded to 2xMG17 2xMG121 and 2xMGFF which the A3 has.

[=FI=Macca]

I preordered the Premium for the icons and bells and whistles.

 

[LukeFF]

Ha! I'm already playing the beta! You should see the way the Ta 152 flies! 

[FlatSpinMan]

[Matt]

Ha! I'm already playing the beta! You should see the way the Ta 152 flies! 

I don't think the Ta 152 flew during the BoS. Very disappointing.

[Zmaj76]

Ha! I'm already playing the beta! You should see the way the Ta 152 flies! 

I will throw up now...

Edited September 4, 2013 by Tvrdi

[III/JG53Frankyboy]

I disagree on your Fw 190 quote; the next model 190 was the A4 (wich had MW 50 water/methanol injection for better low level performance) , ...........

just a sidenote:

the A-4 had no MW50 injection. Thats a mistake repeated in many books unfortunatly.

 

And also the Fw190 and La-5 will have their Mods that you have to earn in singleplayercampaign!

Imagine for the 190:

remove or ad outer wing MG-FF/M (depends what will be default..)

Bombs

Droptank

 

i hope 777 didnt set themselves under pressure to 'find' 5 mods for every plane...............

[Stray]

Interesting that a "dedicated German pilot" doesn't know the armament of the planes he flies.

 

190A-1 was also 4xMG17 and 2xMG-FF and A2 upgraded to 2xMG17 2xMG121 and 2xMGFF which the A3 has.

I was under the impression of having A-3 in Premium package, armed with 4x7.9mm MG and 2x20mm cannon

 

don't know what A-3 do you refer to, but it's easy to get lost on the internet.

[Matt]

 

don't know what A-3 do you refer to, but it's easy to get lost on the internet.

I guess you're mixing up the A-3 with the Aa-3.

 

The A-3 had 2x MG17, 2x MG FF/M and 2x MG151/20E. The Aa-3 had only the 2x MG FF/M and the MG151/20E have been replaced with MG17, so it had 4x MG17.

[SYN_Ricky]

I was under the impression of having A-3 in Premium package, armed with 4x7.9mm MG and 2x20mm cannon

 

don't know what A-3 do you refer to, but it's easy to get lost on the internet.

 

The wing root machine guns were abadoned already on the A2 model, being replaced by two MG151/20. The A-3 has the same armament.

I guess you're mixing up the A-3 with the Aa-3.

 

The A-3 had 2x MG17, 2x MG FF/M and 2x MG151/20E. The Aa-3 had only the 2x MG FF/M and the MG151/20E have been replaced with MG17, so it had 4x MG17.

 

 It's the A-3a which was an export version.

[Matt]

No, it's Aa-3. But who cares.

[VeryOldMan]

Summarizing.  FW-190 RULES!!! And if its FM is  well implemented (as the   latest community patches made the FW190 into   Il21946)  It will be the best  BnZ plane in game.  Who cares if that  Il2 has a machien gun in his back..   I have 4 cannons  forged in god's very flames that can vaporize an IL2 in 1  fast pass.

[ACG_Kraut]

Summarizing.  FW-190 RULES!!! And if its FM is  well implemented (as the   latest community patches made the FW190 into   Il21946)  It will be the best  BnZ plane in game.  Who cares if that  Il2 has a machien gun in his back..   I have 4 cannons  forged in god's very flames that can vaporize an IL2 in 1  fast pass.

 

or at least disable that rear gunner first pass so you can post up behind the IL-Tank and cry as he absorbs every last shell you have.

[VeryOldMan]

or at least disable that rear gunner first pass so you can post up behind the IL-Tank and cry as he absorbs every last shell you have.

if you know where to fire, the Il2 is not that tough.....

[Foobar]

if you know where to fire, the Il2 is not that tough.....

 

At least if the model behaves like in RL.

[FuriousMeow]

I guess you're mixing up the A-3 with the Aa-3.

 

The A-3 had 2x MG17, 2x MG FF/M and 2x MG151/20E. The Aa-3 had only the 2x MG FF/M and the MG151/20E have been replaced with MG17, so it had 4x MG17.

 

The German A-3. You are referring to the export A-3.

[Matt]

I'm referring to both in my post.

 

A-3 = German

Aa-3 = Export

[FuriousMeow]

Damn, quoted the wrong person. Should have been Stray's post.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

Will be interesting to see how the Focke-Wulf is modeled. For sure could use the field mod of removing outer wing cannons for better roll rate and reduced weight

[Mac_Messer]

or at least disable that rear gunner first pass so you can post up behind the IL-Tank and cry as he absorbs every last shell you have.

It will depend mostly on the dm. IL2 showed that it doesn`t even have to be excessively complicated to recreate the strenghts and weaknesses of certain aircraft. It should be remembered that when attacking the Sturmovik, the same routines will take place. The original virtual Sturmovik would soak up silly amount of fire and not just directly from behind but from all kind of angles. One would think that AP rounds, even 7,92mm could hit something of importance, maybe wounding the pilot.

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

In IL2-46...

 

To knock down Il2's all you had to do was aim under the fuselage at the oil cooler, it wouldn't go straight down but it was doomed from then on, 5 mins until engine fail.

 

Granted it was pretty hard to do if the IL2 was flying below 50ft but that's how i would do it.

[Mac_Messer]

In IL2-46...

 

To knock down Il2's all you had to do was aim under the fuselage at the oil cooler, it wouldn't go straight down but it was doomed from then on, 5 mins until engine fail.

 

Granted it was pretty hard to do if the IL2 was flying below 50ft but that's how i would do it.

That is sweet, Furbie, but it is not sufficent. You want to down the aircraft before he begins his attack.

[Foobar]

That is sweet, Furbie, but it is not sufficent. You want to down the aircraft before he begins his attack.

 

Just attack the Il-2 six minutes before he reach his aim.

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

Just attack the Il-2 six minutes before he reach his aim.

 

LOL foobar

[Zmaj76]

Eh? The LW birds will be at a DISadvantage?!

I think he meant regarding ground attack role...Ilyushin 2 excelled in that area.....but there will be Ju87 and He111 AFAIK...

Edited September 5, 2013 by Tvrdi

[theOden]

..aim under the fuselage at the oil cooler..

 

Hmm, I have more than full hands hitting the darn plane at all and you guys go "aim for.."?

Geezus I'm far behind haha.

[BFsSmurfy]

Hmm, I have more than full hands hitting the darn plane at all and you guys go "aim for.."?

Geezus I'm far behind haha.

Yes but you`ll be able to do what most Fw190 only fliers do mate, hold trigger fly in general direction and whooaaaa "ace in a day". Try a one pass kill in a Lagg if you think you`re any good.

[FlatSpinMan]

How about just blowing a chunk of wing off? Hard to fly without large parts of your wing, I always found. Actually, except for the Il2 Hurri. You could lose part of your wingtip and manage okay.

[Livai]

Thank you for adding to this, guys, however seems like I have to clarify this: I am not complaining. I am not a complaining type. Just saying "I will pay 90 bucks if...". I am preordering for sure, just will hold to the last moment waiting for an extra bone being thrown towards German pilots, that's all.

 

For me, getting 5 Russian aircraft in premium package is obsolete.

Getting 2 German bombers is obsolete.

Paying 90 bucks for 3 aircraft I will fly doesn't make sense. Paying 50 for two makes more sense but is still pretty sensless.

 

And before anyone goes with "supporting the devs" again - if I buy the game or buy additional aircraft, maps, add-ons etc, I will still be suporting the title and the devs.

 

I understand the developers are trying to balance the amount of aircraft on both sides, so they don't end up with servers full on red side and empty on blue side or the other way around, hence aircraft of all roles available on both sides.

 

Difficult to understand a dedicated Luftwaffe pilot.

 

See you at your six.

 

~S!

 

I paid for the Premium Version only 67 Euro and thats not much! Other Games cost me from 40,00 to 60,00 Euro and I don't get early access to the game! Come on to paid 90 bucks is not much if known that the two planes that you get extra with the Premium would cost from 20 to 30 bucks and you get extra earlier access than the Standard Version and some small Premium Extras. 

 

If you use this value than the 90 bucks Version are the same like the 50 bucks Version!

 

And about the German disadvantage you have not right, take a closer look---->

 

Russian planes ----> Blue

German planes ----> Red

 

IL-2 AM-38 single-seat, IL-2 AM-38 with ShKAS machinegun in the rear, Pe-2 series 87, Pe-2 series 100   VS    Ju-87 D-3,He-111 H-6  ----> ( 4 VS 2 )

LaGG-3 (series 29), Yak-1, La-5   VS    Bf-109 F-4,Bf-109 G-2, FW-190 A-3  ----> ( 3 VS 3 )

 

 

The Russian planes have more variety and more planes but only the bombers! I see there no problems if they release some Weapon-Mods or planes for both side!

[ImPeRaToR]

just a sidenote:

the A-4 had no MW50 injection. Thats a mistake repeated in many books unfortunatly.

 

And also the Fw190 and La-5 will have their Mods that you have to earn in singleplayercampaign!

Imagine for the 190:

remove or ad outer wing MG-FF/M (depends what will be default..)

Bombs

Droptank

 

i hope 777 didnt set themselves under pressure to 'find' 5 mods for every plane...............

 

Yep, looking forward to it

 

Btw, iirc, on the A-3 the FF/M were a Rüstsatz and only became factory default on the A-4. But my memory might be wrong But if you look at A-3s and A-4s on the channel front and Russia in '42, you very rarely see the FF/Ms protruding from the wings although it is often hard to see if the buldges below the wing have been replaced with a flat panel.

 

Even if what I read is wrong and the FF/M were a factory default the majority of aircraft in the bos time frame did primarily fly without them, at least as far as can tell from studying all sorts of pictures.

 

[Stray]

Keep calm, pilots.

 

Guess what happened? And thanks for making me read and read and read and do it.

 

[Bearcat]

Sheeesh.. some people...

 

;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

 

Keep calm, pilots.

 

Guess what happened? And thanks for making me read and read and read and do it.

 

 

 

 

At bleedin last, well done mate!