Why should I preorder Premium and not Standard?

[Matt]

The FW 190 A3 has one 20 mm cannon?

[leitmotiv]

they give them fighter that didnt fight over Stalingrad just to balance offer and to avoid complains for large german side comunity when La5 that did fight there is in game and some still complain... 

 

they will give you unique skin for 109 (yes its usles but...) and more bonuses untill October 1st be sure it will be some weapon unlock bonus for 109 to balance for each side

 

 

 

 

"Features and benefits of pre-order

• When making a purchase on any edition before September 1, field modification ShKAS with a machine gun on the IL-2 is available from the first day of play
• When making a purchase on any edition before September 1, you get a unique skin for IL-2
• When making a purchase on any publication until October 1, you get a unique skin for Bf.109F-4
• ..."

 

 

 

What rip off was old IL2 for you, you get only at best 20% airplanes that you can fly and rest is just wast of gigabytes on your hard, why did they force us to buy all airplanes at same time

[Stray]

Stray, just what are you asking the devs for at this stage of development?

To throw something for German pilots in the premium package, for instance don't give me the shkas as i won't use it anyway, give me something I could use. Bigger ordnance capacity or gunpods, additional armor plate, fool proof engine management - whatever is possible to balance Il-2's advantage in premium package.

 

I stated clearly I represent pilots not interested in flying bombers or flying for the Russians and premium package addresses pilots flying for the sake of flying on either side and I don't think that's the way it should be.

 

I am not trying to argue with anyone, just pointing out there may be more pilots willing to pay 90 bucks if they got something thrown for them in premium package.

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

You think the IL2 with the rear gunner is too much a advantage for the Russia side?

 

Come on...if your a competent blue pilot then you should have no problem sorting out a Il2 even with the rear gunner, and the rest of the Russian line up for that matter and im a blue pilot.

 

Most people would agree i think things are still fairly in the LW's favour by a fair margin in the premium early access and at release.

Why not just pay for the premium and feel happy on the inside you have helped the development and got early access even though the plane set your going to fly isn't all you wished for?

Edited September 1, 2013 by Furbs

[Stray]

Thank you for adding to this, guys, however seems like I have to clarify this: I am not complaining. I am not a complaining type. Just saying "I will pay 90 bucks if...". I am preordering for sure, just will hold to the last moment waiting for an extra bone being thrown towards German pilots, that's all.

 

For me, getting 5 Russian aircraft in premium package is obsolete.

Getting 2 German bombers is obsolete.

Paying 90 bucks for 3 aircraft I will fly doesn't make sense. Paying 50 for two makes more sense but is still pretty sensless.

 

And before anyone goes with "supporting the devs" again - if I buy the game or buy additional aircraft, maps, add-ons etc, I will still be suporting the title and the devs.

 

I understand the developers are trying to balance the amount of aircraft on both sides, so they don't end up with servers full on red side and empty on blue side or the other way around, hence aircraft of all roles available on both sides.

 

Difficult to understand a dedicated Luftwaffe pilot.

 

See you at your six.

 

~S!

[Matt]

You get more than the 8 planes for your 50 bucks. You get the flightsim along with it.

 

Would probably make more sense for you to preorder the standard version and buy the FW190 when it's avaliable for ordering post-release (i would be surprised if the La-5 and FW190 would show up during the early access anyhow).

[J2_Trupobaw]

Premium package is not about getting best value for your money (that would be economy package). Quite the contrary. It is excuse to pay more for the same product, adressed to people who believe the game is, in fact, still worth these 89$. The reasons vary - people want to support  the devs by throwing extra money at them, people believe they would still pay 89$ for game if that was asking price so the game is worth that much for them anyway, people want early access and bragging rights in form of skins and icons, people who like buying themselves luxury gifts, people are fed up with doomsayers on BoS / RoF forums and want to do something constructive for a change (yes, if you were writing how BoS will suck, how BoS will be MMO game or how BoS will kill RoF, you probably helped me decide to buy premium), and that's only my reasons . 

If you want to spend your money well and you wonder if premium package has enough content to make your money "work",it probably does not. Buying regular game + extra 2 planes should be cheaper. If you want to buy premium package, but need to justify to yourself that you're not wasting money, just stop splitting hairs and go for it. If you want it, it's for you.

[FuriousMeow]

This is too much. So the Il-2 gets a rear gunner. This does nothing for the VVS fighters, they don't get free unlocks so do they deserve something? Should each and every planes get one unlock now?

 

It's getting absurd, if you want to pre-order then do it. If you don't, then don't and wait.

[dburne]

I went with Premium for two reasons only, for myself:

 

1: Early access to the beta - I travel a lot for a living so won't be able to participate much in the feedback, but will be able to enjoy what it will be at least a little on the weekends.

 

2: Help support the developers for continuing the IL2 Franchise.

[SYN_Mike77]

I highly doubt the LW is going to be at a disadvantage in this game.

[heinkill]

I feel so sorry for the plebs who only went Premium.

 

Personally I took the VIP Special Invitation Uber Premium package, but I signed an NDA about it so I can't tell you how cool it is.

 

Hein (already flying the alpha) Kill.

Edited September 2, 2013 by heinkill

[6./ZG26_Emil]

I feel so sorry for the plebs who only went Premium.

 

Personally I took the VIP Special Invitation Uber Premium package, but I signed an NDA about it so I can't tell you how cool it is.

 

Hein (already flying the alpha) Kill.

 

I thought it was only me that got that

[ACG_Kraut]

I feel so sorry for the plebs who only went Premium.

 

Personally I took the VIP Special Invitation Uber Premium package, but I signed an NDA about it so I can't tell you how cool it is.

 

Hein (already flying the alpha) Kill.

 

I thought it was only me that got that

 

 

SHHHHHHHHHHHH 

 

We are supposed to keep discussion of the VIP Special Invitation Uber Premium package on the double secret VIP Special Invitation Uber Premium package section of the forums. 

 

Source: Section 457a of the VIP Special Invitation Uber Premium package NDA agreement.

[Zmaj76]

Knock it off guys or you will be spanked

[VeryOldMan]

Thanks for intelligent insult.

 

I am glad some people agree with me here. To answer LukeFF: my squad flies for the Germans in 1946. Always have. When I fly co-ops, I also fly on German side. When co-ops mission is USA vs Japan, I fly for USA, because I don't like the Zeros and Kis. As we intend to give BoS a try, we are concerned that mission making may be difficult mainly due to the reason of lining the aircraft up. People who didn't purchase specific aircraft will not be able to fly that mission; nonetheless we are gonna try BoS and in fact, we are looking forward to it.

 

As stated earlier: current premium package is far from perfect in a way of luring 1946 pilots to it. A Jagdgeschwader for 1946 includes fighter pilots, they have no use of flying He-111, nor have they any use of Russian fighters. That's all I'm saying. If I come to BoS, I will come to it to fly German fighters and seems like I got only Friedrich, Gustav and the Butcher Bird as an extra in Premium package. No use of Ju-87 and He-111, not mentioning the Russians, camouflage or Shkas again.

 

I will probably wait till the last moment to preorder and seems to me 90 bucks to fly three aircraft is a little too much.

 

Devs, throw German pilots a bone, please.

 

 

They have thrown the  best and most delicious bone possible the Fw190. I  bought the premium ONLY because I play only german, and i want the FW 190. And NOTHIGN else would be better. They coudl add another 30 planes.. woudl be LESS than adding the FW190.

[BFsSmurfy]

I don`t take much notice of one side only merchants, how can you appreciate any ww2 flight sim/game if you only ever fly 2 or 3 types. Here`s an idea...join a server and join the side with the least players regardless of which side it is, we get it all the time on Batte-fields it might be 15 red and 25 blue but you`ll always get some that will join and instantly go blue except for when it`s a Pacific map and the previously blue only crowd will usually go red. You know what I`ll be doing when this is released probably flying red all the time not because I want to but because the best toys only merchants will be overloading the blue side.

[VeryOldMan]

Thank you for adding to this, guys, however seems like I have to clarify this: I am not complaining. I am not a complaining type. Just saying "I will pay 90 bucks if...". I am preordering for sure, just will hold to the last moment waiting for an extra bone being thrown towards German pilots, that's all.

 

For me, getting 5 Russian aircraft in premium package is obsolete.

Getting 2 German bombers is obsolete.

Paying 90 bucks for 3 aircraft I will fly doesn't make sense. Paying 50 for two makes more sense but is still pretty sensless.

 

And before anyone goes with "supporting the devs" again - if I buy the game or buy additional aircraft, maps, add-ons etc, I will still be suporting the title and the devs.

 

I understand the developers are trying to balance the amount of aircraft on both sides, so they don't end up with servers full on red side and empty on blue side or the other way around, hence aircraft of all roles available on both sides.

 

Difficult to understand a dedicated Luftwaffe pilot.

 

See you at your six.

 

~S!

 

 

Are you trying to Troll the forum?   Expalinign Again. FW 190  FW 190 FW 190. THat is your DEDICATED GERMAN BONE!! 

 

I am also dedicated german flyer and the premium edition is specially interesting for german pilots.

 

And  do not expect  planes  bought after release to be 2-3 dollars price range. I am expecting  planes to be  15$ and up.

 

This is not old il2 Age.  Content will not be  the price of a candy...    Check World of tanks if you want to see a proof that  HIGH price on content works, and sells a lot!   Lots of tanks cost over 50$ ! And  Hundreds of thousand buy them. I myself have  9 different premium tanks! 

 

 

And in case you MISSED.. FW190 !!!!

[Mac_Messer]

 

 

I don`t take much notice of one side only merchants, how can you appreciate any ww2 flight sim/game if you only ever fly 2 or 3 types. Here`s an idea...join a server and join the side with the least players regardless of which side it is, we get it all the time on Batte-fields it might be 15 red and 25 blue but you`ll always get some that will join and instantly go blue except for when it`s a Pacific map and the previously blue only crowd will usually go red. You know what I`ll be doing when this is released probably flying red all the time not because I want to but because the best toys only merchants will be overloading the blue side.

 

All the more power to you, but some people want to be competitive at what they do. The more you get acquainted with one aircraft the better you get at flying it. There are some exceptional people flying 5 or more planes better than anyone else but it is more of an exception than a rule.

And in case you MISSED.. FW190 !!!!

Nice. As far as I`m concerned none of you have even seen it. Let alone know how it flies, performs and how effective it is.

Edited September 2, 2013 by Mac_Messer

[VeryOldMan]

All the more power to you, but some people want to be competitive at what they do. The more you get acquainted with one aircraft the better you get at flying it. There are some exceptional people flying 5 or more planes better than anyone else but it is more of an exception than a rule.

Nice. As far as I`m concerned none of you have even seen it. Let alone know how it flies, performs and how effective it is.

 

 

Maybe,  but  we have seen enough of your posts to know that  they should be ingnored because they are full of  repressed anger and  butthurt feelings.  PLease stop.. because no one takes anythign you write in this forum seriously  at this rate.  

 

Let me rephrase for you..     no one here have  more confidence on your judgement than  in   777 team capabilities.... that is why we are here. 

 

Just  let us discuss the damm game that we WANT  in peace ok?

Edited September 2, 2013 by VeryOldMan

[Stray]

Maybe it's your age, VeryOldMan - seems like you missed important bits of the discussion.

 

Noone is trying to troll here. Mac_Messer has a very good point, no need for you to get defensive for no reason. Few posts ago user of the forum suggested other users with a handful of posts are not credible. You state Mac_messer is not credible with  121 posts, while you commited 149 posts. 

 

Remain calm and let's get back to the subject or let it die on it's own.

 

Peace.

[VeryOldMan]

Maybe it's your age, VeryOldMan - seems like you missed important bits of the discussion.

 

Noone is trying to troll here. Mac_Messer has a very good point, no need for you to get defensive for no reason. Few posts ago user of the forum suggested other users with a handful of posts are not credible. You state Mac_messer is not credible with  121 posts, while you commited 149 posts. 

 

Remain calm and let's get back to the subject or let it die on it's own.

 

Peace.

 

 

His credibility (or lack of it) comes from the fact that the majority of  his posts are just Dooms calling  and  being extremely negative about everything. It snot related to post count, its the Quality not the quantity that   made me respond like that.  He   has someday outburts of, post everything possible to make this game looks like a future failure. 

 

Was just pointing to him  that  the type of statement he uses helps in NOTHING this discussion here. Stating that  we have not seen FW190  like he did, he tries to claim the final product will be Bad and we should not thrust the  developers and that the Fw190 is  therefore not a good reason to buy the premium package. IF we follow this line of tought,, NOTHING is a good reason to spen any money on anything int he internet.

Edited September 2, 2013 by VeryOldMan

[Mac_Messer]

Maybe it's your age, VeryOldMan - seems like you missed important bits of the discussion.

 

Noone is trying to troll here. Mac_Messer has a very good point, no need for you to get defensive for no reason. Few posts ago user of the forum suggested other users with a handful of posts are not credible. You state Mac_messer is not credible with  121 posts, while you commited 149 posts. 

 

Remain calm and let's get back to the subject or let it die on it's own.

 

Peace.

Right on point. You too have been attacked for merely asking questions.

[FlatSpinMan]

Stray - you seem very uncertain. That's fine. Why not either read the updates and preorder page again, or decide that the pricing and options for the preorder aren't quite what you are looking for right now and wait until the final game comes out next year. What you get for the preorders is very clearly laid out there and in this thread. You have all the info you need to make this decision.

[Stray]

FlatSpinMan, I have made half of the decision.

 

I will preorder with the end of September and stated clearly I will preorder Premium package if there's a little extra for the German pilots in it.

 

This may be something to look into by the Dev team to squeeze an extra buck from Luftwaffe pilots. 

 

You are correct, it's clear what the packages are, but they are not for Blue or Red team only, they are addressed to those who will fly any aircraft.

 

I know this is a problem: building preorder packages for one team only. This may result in one package being sold in huge numbers while the other is not that popular.

 

Solution: collecting pairs of pilots ordering both packages. Pilot X for Blue and the pilot  Y for Red? Both sold. Next pair! Pilot Z wants a mixed package? Sold.

 

I probably should have had thrown it on the forum few months ago...

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

Well, to be honest Stray, your the only person ive heard having this issue, so i wouldn't say a package is needed for German only pilots, just a package for your squad mates and you.

[HagarTheHorrible]

Good Grief !!!!!!

 

If the Premium package is not to your liking, don't get it.

 

If the Standard package isn't to your liking, don't get it.

 

If the retail game isn't perfectly packaged to your liking, don't get it.

 

It really is that simple.

 

If you're prepared to wait, and that may only have to be until the game launches officially, there might even be a free (Demo) version available with just one or two planes available, just like RoF, you can then just purchase planes that you really want to fly.

 

What you are, in essence,  paying for with the Std and Premium is early access and the opportunity to be a beta tester for BoS.  If that isn't your cup of tea and you have lots of patenience then just wait and if you're really good at waiting then you'll even be able to fill up your German aircraft hanger at discount sale prices.

 

You really do need to take a wider view though, rather than just through a blinkered set of goggles.

Edited September 2, 2013 by HagarTheHorrible

[Mac_Messer]

I know this is a problem: building preorder packages for one team only. This may result in one package being sold in huge numbers while the other is not that popular.

This is not so uncommon as the theatre of operations aswell as the planeset indicate a focus on the Russian market.

[TheBlackPenguin]

FlatSpinMan, I have made half of the decision.

 

I will preorder with the end of September and stated clearly I will preorder Premium package if there's a little extra for the German pilots in it.

 

This may be something to look into by the Dev team to squeeze an extra buck from Luftwaffe pilots. 

 

 

I doubt the gun on the back of the il2 is anything more than a peashooter, in fact if I can find and dig out a quote from one of my books written by a Luftwaffe pilot pretty much states that, so what item can they give to a Luftwaffe pilot that they don't naturally have anyway? A skin?

[VeryOldMan]

And  we shoudl not complain! Because  LW  is effectively in batter shape  in this game than VVS!   F4 G2 and 190A3 against laag, Yak-1  and LA5...   I cannot see what  people would ask  as extra.. 

 

THe only thing I could think would be  FW field mods for  bombing,  but   sicne the plane is already a $ plane, would be redundant.   

 

 

Yet remaisn the fact that LW lpayers get the MOST of the premium package, with the   most powerful air combat plane in the game.

[Bearcat]

I feel so sorry for the plebs who only went Premium.

 

Personally I took the VIP Special Invitation Uber Premium package, but I signed an NDA about it so I can't tell you how cool it is.

 

Hein (already flying the alpha) Kill.

I thought it was only me that got that

SHHHHHHHHHHHH 

 

We are supposed to keep discussion of the VIP Special Invitation Uber Premium package on the double secret VIP Special Invitation Uber Premium package section of the forums. 

 

Source: Section 457a of the VIP Special Invitation Uber Premium package NDA agreement.

 

30 days for the 3 of you for spilling the beans... .................................

 

Stray - you seem very uncertain. That's fine. Why not either read the updates and preorder page again, or decide that the pricing and options for the preorder aren't quite what you are looking for right now and wait until the final game comes out next year. What you get for the preorders is very clearly laid out there and in this thread. You have all the info you need to make this decision.

 

 

FlatSpinMan, I have made half of the decision.

I will preorder with the end of September and stated clearly I will preorder Premium package if there's a little extra for the German pilots in it.

This may be something to look into by the Dev team to squeeze an extra buck from Luftwaffe pilots.

You are correct, it's clear what the packages are, but they are not for Blue or Red team only, they are addressed to those who will fly any aircraft.

I know this is a problem: building preorder packages for one team only. This may result in one package being sold in huge numbers while the other is not that popular.

Solution: collecting pairs of pilots ordering both packages. Pilot X for Blue and the pilot  Y for Red? Both sold. Next pair! Pilot Z wants a mixed package? Sold.

I probably should have had thrown it on the forum few months ago...

 

 

Good Grief !!!!!!

 

If the Premium package is not to your liking, don't get it.

 

If the Standard package isn't to your liking, don't get it.

 

If the retail game isn't perfectly packaged to your liking, don't get it.

 

It really is that simple.

 

If you're prepared to wait, and that may only have to be until the game launches officially, there might even be a free (Demo) version available with just one or two planes available, just like RoF, you can then just purchase planes that you really want to fly.

 

What you are, in essence,  paying for with the Std and Premium is early access and the opportunity to be a beta tester for BoS.  If that isn't your cup of tea and you have lots of patenience then just wait and if you're really good at waiting then you'll even be able to fill up your German aircraft hanger at discount sale prices.

 

Pretty much.. and while it is perfectly legitimate to express serious concerns over ... whatever .... some of this stuff is bordering on total absurdity. Also ... some of you need to check your PMs.

[Jaws2002]

I decided to preorder when I saw there's a chance we may get the IAR-80/81 at some point.

 

That's what did it for me.  A little support so we can fly that little birdie at some point.

Edited September 2, 2013 by Jaws2002

[FuriousMeow]

So to offset the il2s rear gunner, then give the stuka something. But giving unlocks to fighters is not a counter balance to the small caliber rear gunner.

[--loner--Dovla]

is this forum moderated ?

 

well I preordered the more expensive option, what do I get now

 

can you sim geeks behave nice pls, sometimes reading useless forum arguments makes me wish I am not part of comunity

 

pretty please :-)

 

when game gets out you can shoot me down hundreds of times cause I just cant fly decent but I still stick to it cause I like it

 

[SCG_Neun]

I'm really psyched about this sim, based on a number of points....First WWII and the air war on the Eastern Front has always interested me.  Secondly, 777 has proven itself to me as a very reputable organization and I have all the confidence in the world that this sim is going to be amazing.  I have flown ROF some, and although WWI isn't my cup of tea the sim has evolved into an extremely successful game, online and off.  4th....I appreciate the extra aircraft with the premium package and the chance to get a crack at the sim early.  5th.....I shelled out the extra money for the premium order...to help support the development phase pre-release.  I just spend so much of my leisure time playing flightsims it's worth it to me. 

 

The entire decision is an individual one and has so many factors.....everyone can do whatever they want with their money. 

[71st_AH_Hooves]

This thread has now turned into pure comedy!   

 

I cant believe Stray actually thinks that its unfair for the LW LOLOLOLOL.  Man, the LW is going to spend the majority of BoS absolutely SMASHING the LAgg and Yak.  Only Teamwork (something you cannot purchase btw) will save the Red's.   Which coincidently is my favorite part of combat flight summing.  

 

  the Rear gunner given to the IL2, is about as useful as a blabbering drunk drawing attention to himself at a pub.  HE gets you into a fight and cant protect you lol.

 

  But really guys CHILL OUT..   Pre order or not, these are really silly arguments.

 

In the end you will probly get the game anyway if you are being honest with yourselves.   SO just

 

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[HeavyCavalrySgt]

So to offset the il2s rear gunner, then give the stuka something. But giving unlocks to fighters is not a counter balance to the small caliber rear gunner.

 

A rear gunner? :-)

[Bearcat]

is this forum moderated ?

 

.............. some say too much.. some say not enough.. go figure...

This thread has now turned into pure comedy!   

 

I cant believe Stray actually thinks that its unfair for the LW LOLOLOLOL.  Man, the LW is going to spend the majority of BoS absolutely SMASHING the LAgg and Yak.  Only Teamwork (something you cannot purchase btw) will save the Red's.   Which coincidently is my favorite part of combat flight summing.  

 

  the Rear gunner given to the IL2, is about as useful as a blabbering drunk drawing attention to himself at a pub.  HE gets you into a fight and cant protect you lol.

  But really guys CHILL OUT..   Pre order or not, these are really silly arguments. In the end you will probly get the game anyway if you are being honest with yourselves.                                                                                                                              

 

[FuriousMeow]

A rear gunner? :-)

 

TWO rear gunners!

[reddog=11blueleader*]

I preorderd to help 777 and also to get the early release. I love ROF and I'm sure BOS will be  just as good!

[=LD=Stache]

We're finally getting somewhere with this discussion, thank you all for participating.

Exactly my point: flight sims are mainly teamwork-oriented. You will fail nearly each dogfight without a wingman covering your six.

 

Don't know what your 1946 experience is, gentlemen, but if you hop on HyperLobby you will see groups of people flying together under same tag. I fly for JG26, a unit that is 14 years old and did it's share of combat simulations. I don't see ourselves suddenly reforming to a Russian squadron and make an dvantage of that Shkas. Anyway if everyone flew for the Russians, who would fly for the Hun?

 

By the look of things, we know coming straight on Il-2's six could be a costly mistake if a premium pilot is flying it, Shkas will be deadly; but there is nothing to balance the odds for German pilots. 

 

My personal 1946 preference is Friedrich albeit Gustav is pretty good, too. The Fw-190 A-3 was armed the same as previous models, A-2 and A-1, with 2x7.62mm and a 20mm cannon. The only difference between A-3 and earlier models is slightly more powerful engine. Next change came with A-5 that could carry more ordnance than A-3. So the only thing that possibly makes A-3 better than Friedrich is more engine power and better manouverability than 109. I take it we shall be attacking ground troops a lot in BoS - why not release A-5 instead of A-3? German fighters could have that extra ground punch, since Il-2 pilots will have that extra defensive capability.

 

But then, Fw-190 A-5 was an active fighter since November 1942...

 

Still not much to balance the odds but we got another month to find out if the Devs are looking into this.

I disagree on your Fw 190 quote; the next model 190 was the A4 (wich had MW 50 water/methanol injection for better low level performance) , 190 A3's armament consistet of 2 x7.9 cal Mgs in the nose , 2 x Mg 151 20 mm cannons in the wingroot and 2x 20mm  MGFF cannons in the outer wings ,so the FW 's armament has a lot more punch then the 109F's, for me it also is alot more stable as a gunplatform then the 109 and it's perfectly suited for B & Z style aircombat because of the energy retention and the superb rollrate at speed. ,so you see the A3,A4 and A5 have more the enough hitting power.