Why should I preorder Premium and not Standard?

[Stray]

I don't get it.

 

I am about to preorder the game but one thing on my mind is this:

 

If I order Premium, I pay nearly half as much as for Standard and I get two additional aircraft at launch, that can be later purchased in-game.

 

Doesn't make sense to me. Is an additional aircraft gonna cost around $20 when the game is released? 

 

Shouldn't pilots preordering Premium edition get a little more than just forum "founder icon" and a couple of months eary access as opposed to Standard edition?

 

Just trying to spend my $89.99 well, that's all.

 

Any ideas?

 

[71st_AH_Hooves]

Ill take this one.

 

  OK so you are paying for the earliest of early access.  Plus the two aircraft at release.  So early access for you is 20 bucks. YAY, I personally look at it like supporting this venture.  Have a good day and hope to see you in the fall!

[Bearcat]

190 & La-5 .......Earlier access... than the other early access ...  knowing you dropped a bit more to offer support for the sim when it does get released to the GP and redefines the genre.

[Skoots]

Supporting the game and that sweet sweet special icon next to your name

[Stray]

It's like buying a new car from manufacturarer dealer's. You get a car you wanted but also you get dealer's sticker on the back, advertising the dealer. I don't like the idea.

 

Supporting is one thing, thus pre-order. "I support the idea thus I buy a cat in the bag" without making a choice based on reviews. Early access is nothing else but gathering people who paid more than the others to test the game for the developer. Call it "the sticker".

 

Looks like the only reasonable choice is to go with Standard edition, afterall the extra aircraft will be available in store. There is quite a few titles out there offering unique things to those who ordered premium, unable to be purchased in store later. Something more distinct than forum founder tag.

 

Standard it is and only beacuse I want it bad.

 

1946 for now.

 

Thanks for not making me change my mind.

Edited August 30, 2013 by Stray

[Rjel]

That's the best part of this entire process. Everyone can decide which package they want or even bypass the entire project. I'm happy with my decision too.

[Avatar13]

That's the best part of this entire process. Everyone can decide which package they want or even bypass the entire project. I'm happy with my decision too.

 

+1 Yes sir! Choices are always good and there's never a wrong one for this type of thing.

[HeavyCavalrySgt]

I went through the same mental math.  I eventually decided that I like the 777 team and that I really want to see a relatively small developer do well.  I am impressed with ROF so that made my decision easier.

 

Then I got a bonus and raise unexpectedly at work so that made the decision easy.

[=LD=Hethwill]

Price difference for me meant early access mainly and support the development. The extras are nice as well.

Edited August 30, 2013 by =LD=Hethwill

[Recon]

 

 

And finally the biggest news so far - both the Standard and Premium editions of BOS will now include all 8 flyable aircraft as a launching set of aircrafts! We always listen to our community’s opinion and we respect your input and concerns. Therefore we have decided to give all users the Yak-1 and Bf-109 G2 as part of the basic package.

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/168-developer-diary/?do=findComment&comment=23568

 

 

You must have missed this great announcement, but in case you missed it..  YOU are going to get a "weapon modification ShKAS machinegun in the rear."   Yes folks, for $89, we can put a ShKAS machinegun IN THE REAR... hold still, I know you think your imaging this, but certainly you can't beat a ShKAS in your rear!

 

Not one, not two, not three - but a WHOLE machinegun in the rear - to ease the discomfort, we'll also be providing you with a unique camouflage skin !!!  Yes everyone I know your in shock, as this IL-2 skin is unique and cannot be unlocked while playing the game!!!  (pause, what does that mean anyway?)

 

order within the next few hours and we can throw in a steak knife set!   Wait, not one, no, not just one - but TWO steak knife sets!!! Holdon, because of this special holiday, we will throw in a pear cutter... yes, let me say it again - a PEAR CUTTER.  Unbelievable!!!  

 

Don't forget - More good news - we have decided to extend the early-access pre-order program for one more month until October 1^st!  Since we all now know that 'autumn' actually was Sept 1st, but now we have an actual deadline in which to spend your $89 !!!!

 

Have a great weekend everyone

[71st_AH_Hooves]

"I support the idea thus I buy a cat in the bag" without making a choice based on reviews.

HAve you played RoF??    Thats all you gotta do to see the quality of this future venture.  Glad you came here to bag on us with the faith.  You and your three posts are a real clue to your character.

[Bearcat]

It's like buying a new car from manufacturarer dealer's. You get a car you wanted but also you get dealer's sticker on the back, advertising the dealer. I don't like the idea.

 

Supporting is one thing, thus pre-order. "I support the idea thus I buy a cat in the bag" without making a choice based on reviews. Early access is nothing else but gathering people who paid more than the others to test the game for the developer. Call it "the sticker".

 

Looks like the only reasonable choice is to go with Standard edition, afterall the extra aircraft will be available in store. There is quite a few titles out there offering unique things to those who ordered premium, unable to be purchased in store later. Something more distinct than forum founder tag.

 

Standard it is and only beacuse I want it bad.

 

1946 for now.

 

Thanks for not making me change my mind.

 

 

Cough Cough......

 

La-5 .. FW-190 .................... Buy em now or buy em later.. I'm willing to buy em now... and if my buying them now means the devs have a bit more working capital to get the job done.. I'm in. The premium order is a nice dinner for two with a glass or two or wine and a movie .. a no brainer. At least for me it was.

[II./JG27_Rich]

Cough Cough......

 

La-5 .. FW-190 .................... Buy em now or buy em later.. I'm willing to buy em now... and if my buying them now means the devs have a bit more working capital to get the job done.. I'm in. The premium order is a nice dinner for two with a glass or two or wine and a movie .. a no brainer. At least for me it was.

Agree

[LukeFF]

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/168-developer-diary/?do=findComment&comment=23568

 

 

You must have missed this great announcement, but in case you missed it..  YOU are going to get a "weapon modification ShKAS machinegun in the rear."   Yes folks, for $89, we can put a ShKAS machinegun IN THE REAR... hold still, I know you think your imaging this, but certainly you can't beat a ShKAS in your rear!

 

Not one, not two, not three - but a WHOLE machinegun in the rear - to ease the discomfort, we'll also be providing you with a unique camouflage skin !!!  Yes everyone I know your in shock, as this IL-2 skin is unique and cannot be unlocked while playing the game!!!  (pause, what does that mean anyway?)

 

order within the next few hours and we can throw in a steak knife set!   Wait, not one, no, not just one - but TWO steak knife sets!!! Holdon, because of this special holiday, we will throw in a pear cutter... yes, let me say it again - a PEAR CUTTER.  Unbelievable!!!  

 

Don't forget - More good news - we have decided to extend the early-access pre-order program for one more month until October 1^st!  Since we all now know that 'autumn' actually was Sept 1st, but now we have an actual deadline in which to spend your $89 !!!!

 

Have a great weekend everyone

 

Sarcasm is not your strong point.

[SOLIDKREATE]

Cough Cough......

 

La-5 .. FW-190 .................... Buy em now or buy em later.. I'm willing to buy em now... andI if my buying them now means the devs have a bit more working capital to get the job done.. I'm in. The premium order is a nice dinner for two with a glass or two or wine and a movie .. a no brainer. At least for me it was.

I pure ordered my premium too!

[Recon]

Sarcasm is not your strong point.

lighten up    everyone gets so serious - it was fun

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

I got it Recon, i thought it was just a bit of fun too, while reading your post, i was imagining Jason and Loft in those funny chef outfits from the adds...lol.

[Heywooood]

i haTE MATH...so I preordered

[Stray]

HAve you played RoF??    Thats all you gotta do to see the quality of this future venture.  Glad you came here to bag on us with the faith.  You and your three posts are a real clue to your character.

Yes, I have played RoF. Purchased 6 aircraft total, gifting two to a friend. I like the career mode ( still in Beta? ) and I like the knighthood in the air ( shooting green flare usually allows you to ditch somewhere ) ahich is not gonna be the case anymore. I like RoF, however I don't like paying for maps/theaters of operations/airfields/personal gun etc. 

 

Now the post count. 

 

I find it difficult to troll away about the title that is anticipated, but still unreleased. While you go about guessing stuff about it or posting questions noone answers to, I read. FYI I'm an active 1946 pilot, posting on my squad's forum and community forums - because we can discuss the simulation there. Here all we can do is ask and mainly never be answered.

 

I understand the whole idea behind purchasing premium, I just don't see it fair in a way. Shkas is great provided you are gonna fly for the Russians. I am not. Always loved German aircraft. So what do I get for purchasing premium? Not much at all, since I shan't be using the Shkas much.

 

Premium preorder should be focused on three things:

 

- pilots who will fly for either side

- pilots who will fly for the Russians ( they got Shkas already )

- pilots who will fly for the Germans.

 

Since I fit in the last group, there is nothing for me in the premium package. Based on experiences with RoF, virtual squadrons make their squad skins and those get released by the devs in batches. What use would I have of a "unique" camouflage, if my squad is not gonna fly it and all the people purchasing premium will? None at all. In fact, my squad's camouflage scheme will be unique once released, as it's gonna be my squad's. 

 

And again, pitifully hoping for the dev to read this and make something up for the Germans. I could spend 90 bucks, but looks like I won't. And I won't need La-5, Il-2, Peshka, LaGG-3 and Yak-1.

 

Regards,

 

The German pilot

[Mac_Messer]

Supporting is one thing, thus pre-order. "I support the idea thus I buy a cat in the bag" without making a choice based on reviews. Early access is nothing else but gathering people who paid more than the others to test the game for the developer. Call it "the sticker".

 

+1

[Bearcat]

Yes, I have played RoF. Purchased 6 aircraft total, gifting two to a friend. I like the career mode ( still in Beta? ) and I like the knighthood in the air ( shooting green flare usually allows you to ditch somewhere ) ahich is not gonna be the case anymore. I like RoF, however I don't like paying for maps/theaters of operations/airfields/personal gun etc.

Now the post count.

I find it difficult to troll away about the title that is anticipated, but still unreleased. While you go about guessing stuff about it or posting questions noone answers to, I read. FYI I'm an active 1946 pilot, posting on my squad's forum and community forums - because we can discuss the simulation there. Here all we can do is ask and mainly never be answered.

I understand the whole idea behind purchasing premium, I just don't see it fair in a way. Shkas is great provided you are gonna fly for the Russians. I am not. Always loved German aircraft. So what do I get for purchasing premium? Not much at all, since I shan't be using the Shkas much.

Premium preorder should be focused on three things:

- pilots who will fly for either side

- pilots who will fly for the Russians ( they got Shkas already )

- pilots who will fly for the Germans.

Since I fit in the last group, there is nothing for me in the premium package. Based on experiences with RoF, virtual squadrons make their squad skins and those get released by the devs in batches. What use would I have of a "unique" camouflage, if my squad is not gonna fly it and all the people purchasing premium will? None at all. In fact, my squad's camouflage scheme will be unique once released, as it's gonna be my squad's.

And again, pitifully hoping for the dev to read this and make something up for the Germans. I could spend 90 bucks, but looks like I won't. And I won't need La-5, Il-2, Peshka, LaGG-3 and Yak-1.

Regards,

The German pilot

 

So I guess that 190 that you get in the Premium pre order is just chopped liver..

 

The best thing about this is that there are choices and we all can choose to make them or not make them.. but to say that there are none to be had .. or that questions are not being answered is

As for the relevance of post count... all that signifies is how much time you have to post on forums.. I would be more inclined to look at post count and join date combined to get a better idea of how much or little a person knows about a given board.. and even then it is pretty meaningless. Lurkers abound and just because a person is new here.. means nothing as to how long they have been simming or what they know. Their posts will usually reflect that.

[FuriousMeow]

The 190 is a terrible plane. Worst plane in the LuftWaffe. Makes no sense to go for the premium to get the earliest access and the F'inWorthless(amIright?) 190, none at all! C'mon throw the LuftWaffe pilots a bone here! Look at the VVS, they get the LaGG3, Yak1, Il2 (with a rear gunner!) and the Pe2! This is outrageous!

[Bearcat]

Indeed it is.... why nothing at all for German pilots.. but heck that is going to be sold upon release anyway.. so they can just buy it then .... in 2014 .. whenever the sim is finally released.

[ACG_Kraut]

Well coming from DCS, I'm used to paying large amounts for a single aircraft. 

 

Shhh... Don't tell 1C/777, but I probably would have payed $40-$50 for just the 190 by itself. 

 

I think that later on when they decided to add more aircraft they should make 2 versions of each new plane: standard BoS level pits with no mouse clicking, and a more advanced click pit premium version that costs a bit more. I would definitely pay $50 per aircraft if they were full "DCS level" fidelity like the DCS P51. 

 

In any event, $20 (or w/e price they set) per aircraft for BoS level fidelity still seems like a fair deal to me. We are still getting almost every feature of the aircrafts modeled.

 

 

 

The 190 is a terrible plane.

 

 

Not sure if serious....

 

You won't be saying that when your entire world is lit up by bright white tracers! 

Edited September 1, 2013 by [AKA]Kraut

[CheeseGromit]

Premium preorder should be focused on three things:

 

- pilots who will fly for either side

- pilots who will fly for the Russians ( they got Shkas already )

- pilots who will fly for the Germans.

 

Since I fit in the last group, there is nothing for me in the premium package.

And again, pitifully hoping for the dev to read this and make something up for the Germans. I could spend 90 bucks, but looks like I won't. And I won't need La-5, Il-2, Peshka, LaGG-3 and Yak-1.

 

I'm in a similar position to you. I'm only really interested in the German fighters and as such a package doesn't exist at this stage I'm gonna wait and see. I'm fine with that. It'd be nice to pre-order and get the early access but I'd can't justify the cost. It will remain to be seen what sort of packages are available after release and whether waiting was the right decision for me.

[LukeFF]

Premium preorder should be focused on three things:

 

- pilots who will fly for either side

- pilots who will fly for the Russians ( they got Shkas already )

- pilots who will fly for the Germans.

 

Since I fit in the last group, there is nothing for me in the premium package.

 

 

What, that Fw 190 is somehow not a German plane?

 

Oh and BTW, the war is over. You don't have to swear allegiance to one side and fly that nation's aircraft only. 

[ACG_Kraut]

Early access is nothing else but gathering people who paid more than the others to test the game for the developer.

 

And that's a bad thing? They will have the people most passionate about the game testing it and providing feedback.

 

Look at the ClusterF*** that War Thunder is. They have 3 million players currently (most of which are the free to play arcade pilots that know nothing of aircombat) providing feedback to what they want in the game and the result is, every patch they put out breaks the game beyond all belief and destroys whatever historical accuracy they had. The Free2play masses are turning WT into "Air-Quake".

 

The people who really want this game (BoS) to succeed are the ones who are willing pay a bit more and help out in early access.

Edited September 1, 2013 by [AKA]Kraut

[Trident_109]

lighten up    everyone gets so serious - it was fun

I was hoping for a Popiel's Pocket Fisherman, myself. I got a ShKAS instead.

 

I don't doubt that there could be another perk or two for Premium Edition buyers. They'll probably be small, but seeing as these other perks were thrown in and changing the Yak and G2 availability without campaign achievement, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility.

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

Yes, I have played RoF. Purchased 6 aircraft total, gifting two to a friend. I like the career mode ( still in Beta? ) and I like the knighthood in the air ( shooting green flare usually allows you to ditch somewhere ) ahich is not gonna be the case anymore. I like RoF, however I don't like paying for maps/theaters of operations/airfields/personal gun etc. 

 

Now the post count. 

 

I find it difficult to troll away about the title that is anticipated, but still unreleased. While you go about guessing stuff about it or posting questions noone answers to, I read. FYI I'm an active 1946 pilot, posting on my squad's forum and community forums - because we can discuss the simulation there. Here all we can do is ask and mainly never be answered.

 

I understand the whole idea behind purchasing premium, I just don't see it fair in a way. Shkas is great provided you are gonna fly for the Russians. I am not. Always loved German aircraft. So what do I get for purchasing premium? Not much at all, since I shan't be using the Shkas much.

 

Premium preorder should be focused on three things:

 

- pilots who will fly for either side

- pilots who will fly for the Russians ( they got Shkas already )

- pilots who will fly for the Germans.

 

Since I fit in the last group, there is nothing for me in the premium package. Based on experiences with RoF, virtual squadrons make their squad skins and those get released by the devs in batches. What use would I have of a "unique" camouflage, if my squad is not gonna fly it and all the people purchasing premium will? None at all. In fact, my squad's camouflage scheme will be unique once released, as it's gonna be my squad's. 

 

And again, pitifully hoping for the dev to read this and make something up for the Germans. I could spend 90 bucks, but looks like I won't. And I won't need La-5, Il-2, Peshka, LaGG-3 and Yak-1.

 

Regards,

 

The German pilot

 

 

No offence meant here, but that's a really strange post and way to look a CBFS, ive never heard anything like that before in all my time visiting flight sim forums.

[Original_Uwe]

I believe Stray should be assigned the cognomen "Asina" henceforth on this forum.

Bearcat, hook us up?

[Stray]

I believe Stray should be assigned the cognomen "Asina" henceforth on this forum.

Bearcat, hook us up?

Thanks for intelligent insult.

 

I am glad some people agree with me here. To answer LukeFF: my squad flies for the Germans in 1946. Always have. When I fly co-ops, I also fly on German side. When co-ops mission is USA vs Japan, I fly for USA, because I don't like the Zeros and Kis. As we intend to give BoS a try, we are concerned that mission making may be difficult mainly due to the reason of lining the aircraft up. People who didn't purchase specific aircraft will not be able to fly that mission; nonetheless we are gonna try BoS and in fact, we are looking forward to it.

 

As stated earlier: current premium package is far from perfect in a way of luring 1946 pilots to it. A Jagdgeschwader for 1946 includes fighter pilots, they have no use of flying He-111, nor have they any use of Russian fighters. That's all I'm saying. If I come to BoS, I will come to it to fly German fighters and seems like I got only Friedrich, Gustav and the Butcher Bird as an extra in Premium package. No use of Ju-87 and He-111, not mentioning the Russians, camouflage or Shkas again.

 

I will probably wait till the last moment to preorder and seems to me 90 bucks to fly three aircraft is a little too much.

 

Devs, throw German pilots a bone, please.

Edited September 1, 2013 by Stray

[Skoshi_Tiger]

 

 

Devs, throw German pilots a bone, please.

 

So on the Blue side you have the BF109F, BF109G and the FW190 as possible fighters. Considering the 1943 context what extra's on the Blue side would seal the deal as far as you were concerned?

 

As far as I'm concerned the price of the premium pre-order was for early access to the sim. The rest is just icing on the cake.

 

After reading the product description and waying up the benefits Vs the extra cost I guess there will be a lot of people who decide that the pre-order is not for them. Maybe you are one of the people who fall into that group?

Edited September 1, 2013 by Skoshi_Tiger

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

Im a blue pilot, i will im sure be flying blue online 90% of the time but that doesn't make me not want to try all the aircraft in BOS and im sure i will be trying the offline campaigns for both sides, at least for testing the enemy aircraft to find out how to fight them better in my F4.

 

Im not sure what you want from the developers here?

 

Do you want a special package to buy just for people who just fly German fighters?

 

What about if i just want the fly the pe2 and nothing else, or the stuka and not anything else?

 

Do you think the developers can cater for every whim?

 

Im glad your squad is thinking about switching over, the more people who do support the devs and this project, the more German aircraft that will be developed that the German fighters only pilots will get to exclusively fly and nothing else.

[CheeseGromit]

Do you want a special package to buy just for people who just fly German fighters?

 

That would be the ideal as far as I'm concerned. I don't think it's outside the realms of possibility at some point in the future either, I'm not expecting it as a pre-order option though.

 

What about if i just want the fly the pe2 and nothing else, or the stuka and not anything else?

 

I'd be surprised if you weren't able to buy individual planes at some point. Unless somethig has changed the FW-190 A-3 can apparently "be purchased in our store after launch".

[Mac_Messer]

What, that Fw 190 is somehow not a German plane?

 

Oh and BTW, the war is over. You don't have to swear allegiance to one side and fly that nation's aircraft only. 

I think he means that historically the 190 wasn`t there so won`t be available in servers.

 

As for the war ending, if you played WWII flightsims online you`d know that there are lots of such people fliying only one side or even one aircraft. Makes them stand out from the average crowd.

So on the Blue side you have the BF109F, BF109G and the FW190 as possible fighters. Considering the 1943 context what extra's on the Blue side would seal the deal as far as you were concerned?

Maybe some interesting unlocks or buy addons for the LW aircraft? Gundpods/armor/droptank you know, that kind of stuff.

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

That would be the ideal as far as I'm concerned. I don't think it's outside the realms of possibility at some point in the future either, I'm not expecting it as a pre-order option though.

 

 

I'd be surprised if you weren't able to buy individual planes at some point. Unless somethig has changed the FW-190 A-3 can apparently "be purchased in our store after launch".

 

 

 

 

Well, were not sure if we will be able to buy single after the 190 and La5, the devs could be thinking of selling aircraft bundles that come with a new map or theatre. we just dont know yet. 

But to expect to buy just 3 planes for a discount at this moment in development is asking a little much, but i agree if the release is a success and sales go well, then other options might become available for the future, and that would be a good thing.

[CheeseGromit]

Well, were not sure if we will be able to buy single after the 190 and La5, the devs could be thinking of selling aircraft bundles that come with a new map or theatre. we just dont know yet.

 

Absolutely true, maybe I'm just being hopeful that the comment implies a single purchase of the FW-190 A-3 in the future. I still don't know enough about the planned business model though.

[Stray]

I think he means that historically the 190 wasn`t there so won`t be available in servers.

 

As for the war ending, if you played WWII flightsims online you`d know that there are lots of such people fliying only one side or even one aircraft. Makes them stand out from the average crowd.

Maybe some interesting unlocks or buy addons for the LW aircraft? Gundpods/armor/droptank you know, that kind of stuff.

We're finally getting somewhere with this discussion, thank you all for participating.

Exactly my point: flight sims are mainly teamwork-oriented. You will fail nearly each dogfight without a wingman covering your six.

 

Don't know what your 1946 experience is, gentlemen, but if you hop on HyperLobby you will see groups of people flying together under same tag. I fly for JG26, a unit that is 14 years old and did it's share of combat simulations. I don't see ourselves suddenly reforming to a Russian squadron and make an dvantage of that Shkas. Anyway if everyone flew for the Russians, who would fly for the Hun?

 

By the look of things, we know coming straight on Il-2's six could be a costly mistake if a premium pilot is flying it, Shkas will be deadly; but there is nothing to balance the odds for German pilots. 

 

My personal 1946 preference is Friedrich albeit Gustav is pretty good, too. The Fw-190 A-3 was armed the same as previous models, A-2 and A-1, with 2x7.62mm and a 20mm cannon. The only difference between A-3 and earlier models is slightly more powerful engine. Next change came with A-5 that could carry more ordnance than A-3. So the only thing that possibly makes A-3 better than Friedrich is more engine power and better manouverability than 109. I take it we shall be attacking ground troops a lot in BoS - why not release A-5 instead of A-3? German fighters could have that extra ground punch, since Il-2 pilots will have that extra defensive capability.

 

But then, Fw-190 A-5 was an active fighter since November 1942...

 

Still not much to balance the odds but we got another month to find out if the Devs are looking into this.

Edited September 1, 2013 by Stray

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

Stray, just what are you asking the devs for at this stage of development?

[FlatSpinMan]

Eh? The LW birds will be at a DISadvantage?!