Interesting Fact: Fw190 over Dibovka (40km north of Stalingrad)

[[TWB]80hd]

The author is in some cases wrong, for instance on the bottom of page 18 (29 in the pdf), where he refers to a work of Cajus Becker, a secondary source at best, uses the wrong designations for aircraft and unit and contradicts the facts evident from Luftwaffe primary sources, or on page 51, where he doesn't even get the date right, unless there were 21 months in 1942. Who knows which other figures, designations or facts are fudged up.

 

To take anything as gospel, is wrong.

 

I agree completely!  I am certain there are errors in it, and you know what else?  The 190A-4 statement might even be wrong!

 

The point is, we have these armchair general der fliegers running around spouting off these condescending statements about the iron-clad veracity of their opinions when we are discussing a battle that was utter chaos that happened over 70 years ago.

 

The only thing we KNOW is that the 109 was comprised the vast majority of Luftwaffe fighter strength in the Southern Sector... to say that the possibility of 190s in that Sector during that time is "myth" or "utter nonsense", is presumptive to say the least.

 

Some have said "The Soviets would have noted the presence of 190s" which again is presumptive, but the sentiment is correct... we would expect to see some kind of annotation somewhere if there were 190s in that sector, but the absence (or simply our inability to find them) of reports does not mean they weren't there.

Except he calls it Schlachtgruppe 1, which never existed to my knowledge.

 

You guys understand there are a great many nomenclatures used back then that did not match up with what we know to be the "correct" terminology, right?

[bivalov]

this question also was discussed on russian forum, and there was concluded that Fw 190 definitely was not used in BOS.

 

although, in several books and memoirs were mentioned fights with Fw 190, but 99 to 1 that is just mistake (this is could be Macchi С.200, IAR-8X etc).

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 I would fall into believing the "Fw190"' over Stalingrad was really an IAR-8X. And the "Fw190" VVS claimed Finns had must have been Brewsters.

[unreasonable]

I have to agree that there must have been dozens of Fw190s flying around Stalingrad, but the Russians never found a wreck because they used their superior roll rate to avoid being shot down.

[SYN_Ricky]

There's an older topic dicussing this matter her:

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/1113-luftwaffe-ops-over-stalingrad-appraisal/?do=findComment&comment=153318

 

All the different sources I have read seem to indicate quite clearly that indeed no FW-190, fighter or jabo,  was near Stalingrad during the battle.

[Jaws2002]

Over fifty IAR- 80 and 81's were involved in the Stalingrad campaign, between September 1942 and January 1943. Close to 1400 sorties were flown.

6th fighter group was equipped with iar-81's and did a lot of ground attack missions. Very easy to mistake the Iar with a fw190. Most US pilots made the mistake during the Ploesti campaign.

Edited October 17, 2014 by Jaws2002