Ju 52, I'm really surprised

[HagarTheHorrible]

I'm really surprised that more hasn't been made of the possible inclusion of the Ju 52, even if it's only A.I, in fact especially as it would only be A.I.

 

This is a major departure from both RoF and BoS design philosophy, as I understood it.

 

What are the limits ? Where will it Lead ? What are the implications ? Is it really true ?

Edited October 14, 2014 by HagarTheHorrible

[LizLemon]

More hasn't be made because its a maybe. 

 

Add to that all the other things going on and it shouldn't be surprising that other things currently dominate the discussion.

[Y-29.Silky]

I think we should.... Let them finish the game!

[CUJO_1970]

It's the Battle of Stalingrad.

 

Ju-52 is needed as bread and water. How can you possibly have an air bridge campaign without it?

[SYN_Bandy]

It's coming eventually.  No surprise it didn't make it to the early release plane set, think about it.

 

Patience young Padawans...

[[KWN]T-oddball]

It's the Battle of Stalingrad.

 

Ju-52 is needed as bread and water. How can you possibly have an air bridge campaign without it?

 

they are going to be bungee cording a lot of shit to the wings of those 109's     

[Feathered_IV]

I'm certainly very happy about the Ju. Slightly tempered by the fact that its AI only. Would dearly love trying to fly and survive in it.

 

Still, first things first. I'll happily preorder that cockpit when you're ready.

[Dutch]

The 'possible inclusion' of the Ju52. Even as a AI target? At Stalingrad?

 

I really don't understand the guys who want a flyable one, but the omission of a AI Ju52 at Stalingrad from the outset is.....amusing.

[Feathered_IV]

 

I really don't understand the guys who want a flyable one.

Been over this a dozen times already. It is fun and challenging to use good airmanship and cunning accomplishing a supply run against a determined opposition. Try it.

Edited October 15, 2014 by Feathered_IV

[HagarTheHorrible]

You guys are missing the point.

 

Since the beginning of RoF it has been stated that all aircraft, including the A.I, use the same FM. The most difficult aspect for including a new aircraft is the FM and to justify the work it needs to be a paid for add on.

 

If the Dev's are now suggesting that they might include A.I aircraft only then this is a fundamental policy shift for the series and suggests that there will be a different, separate FM for some A.I aircraft. I think that could do with some clarification, don't you ?

 

This is not a critique, I'm simply curious, if it is true, and I am yet to be convinced,what has changed.

[Feathered_IV]

I'm not too worried by that at all. Especially if the payoff is more diverse aircraft types. If a separate AI routine is simpler and allows for more aircraft in a mission at once, I'd be all for it too.

[HagarTheHorrible]

I'm not too worried by that at all. Especially if the payoff is more diverse aircraft types. If a separate AI routine is simpler and allows for more aircraft in a mission at once, I'd be all for it too.

It doesn't bother me either, it's just that it's quite a change from previous policy, it would be nice to know what the ramifications are and why the change of heart from the Dev's.

 

It would be great to see a more diverse universe, inc the Ju 52, maybe it's a trial to see how it works out.

 

Extreme_One, I'm sure the cockpit is a significant part of producing a new aircraft, however it was stated some years ago (RoF), by the Dev's, possibly Jason himself, that the main stumbling block to the inclusion of new aircraft was the FM and that the cockpit construction, by comparison, was negligible.

[I./JG1_Baron]

I'm certainly very happy about the Ju. Slightly tempered by the fact that its AI only. Would dearly love trying to fly and survive in it.

 

Still, first things first. I'll happily preorder that cockpit when you're ready.

 

My words.  I'll happily preorder that cockpit when you're ready too. 

[Dakpilot]

I believe there were AI aircraft in RoF that then got their cockpit later.

 

No fundamental change

 

And it should be safe to assume that they will not have pre-baked dumbed down AI/FM, Now however, if that happened, there would be a fundamental change in policy I would not be keen on at all

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[C-Bag]

I guess it all depends on where you are standing in this. If you have some kind of longstanding gripe or like me, happy with how this has progressed. But I'm not a hardcore MP hightimer with specialized equipment and needs. So to me I've seen over and over where the Dev's have responded to positive feedback. I know they were paying attention to the long threads about the Ju52. It's just hard to know if it's going to be worth the effort to do it when you have so many fighter jocks that just see it as a worthless target so they would never shell out the $$$ for it. But it's been obvious for quite a while the Ju is an integral part of this battle and the Dev's are willing to do what's necessary if there's the room and support.

 

I'll be buying that cockpit too when it's available.

[HagarTheHorrible]

I believe there were AI aircraft in RoF that then got their cockpit later.

 

No fundamental change

 

And it should be safe to assume that they will not have pre-baked dumbed down AI/FM, Now however, if that happened, there would be a fundamental change in policy I would not be keen on at all

 

Cheers Dakpilot

Sorry, but you are wrong. It was a common complaint during the early days. The only time you would come across A.I only aircraft was if you hadn't purchased them and thus couldn't fly them. Those people who bought the planes subsidized the creation of A.I only aircraft for others to fight against. It meant it took a long time to fill up the virtual RoF skies with a wide and varied aircraft set. Unfortunately it also meant that some periods during the war, the less popular ones, we're very poorly represented with only one or two of the main players and very little in the way of cannon fodder which wouldn't have sold.

[Matt]

The Breguet and DFW C.V both were AI only at the beginning, until they were released as pilotable planes a good while later (around 2 years i think). I'm not sure what kind of FM they had, but wouldn't doubt that there have at least been some changes compared to the AI only time. I can't remember exactly how those planes behaved when they were AI only, but don't think they were pulling off some weird maneuvers.

 

So an AI only Ju 52 wouldn't be anything new and probably the more profitable solution. Unless the number of people who would buy the plane to be able to fly around with it (and not just have it as an AI plane), is really that massive. It would require a lot of extra work, cockpit, gunner positions, testing if everything works correctly etc.

Edited October 15, 2014 by Matt

[Feathered_IV]

I'd be perfectly content with just the pilots cockpit. B

[Nonolem]

 

 

The Breguet and DFW C.V both were AI only at the beginning, until they were released as pilotable planes a good while later (around 2 years i think). I'm not sure what kind of FM they had, but wouldn't doubt that there have at least been some changes compared to the AI only time.

 

Yes, the FM of the Breguet and DFW have changed when they became pilotable. I won't make an archaeological internet research about what the devs wrote about that at this time, but I remember clearly they have said that they had changed these FMs.

[HagarTheHorrible]

I stand corrected, sorry. My memory is turning to mush.

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

No worries about 52 FM. Or will she be OP??

Edited October 16, 2014 by JG62Gielow