indiaciki Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 (edited) http://www.radiofilms.net/BOS/Stalingrad_enroute_chart_pdf.pdf print version (A4 sheets 25 pages 140cm x 90cm): http://www.radiofilms.net/BOS/enroutepdfprint.pdf Edited October 14, 2014 by indiaciki 2
[TWB]Pand Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 Nice work! May I ask what program you used to create this in?
-805-DNA-Decay Posted October 15, 2014 Posted October 15, 2014 Great work, I've been trying to get something like this for BoS: Authentic. But then so much doesn't match when you put it agains the game map as an overlay.
Rama Posted October 15, 2014 Posted October 15, 2014 Authentic. But then so much doesn't match when you put it agains the game map as an overlay. Because they are not in the same cartographic projection as the game map. Also the scan is probably far to be perfect (I see some déformations on paper folds)
39bn_pavig Posted October 15, 2014 Posted October 15, 2014 I've been trying to get something like this for BoS: Authentic. But then so much doesn't match when you put it agains the game map as an overlay. Rama is correct. You would probably need to use GIS tools such as http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/gprojector/ to convert between the two. Unfortunately cartography is as much an art as science.
39bn_pavig Posted October 15, 2014 Posted October 15, 2014 I've been trying to get something like this for BoS: Authentic. But then so much doesn't match when you put it agains the game map as an overlay. I've had another look at that map correcting for lens distortion and a few other things, and it's not that bad a match. Considering it covers around 200x200 kilometres it appears that all the towns and major rivers were in the right place. Minor rivers on the old map are rendered with a bit of artistic license. Rail is pretty much accurate. Roads outside of Stalingrad area are generally right, but I wouldn't use them for navigation as some groups of roads have been merged into a "you can get there from here" line rather than reflecting the actual routes. So the above map is quite usable. I have no idea how that grid works though - it certainly doesn't represent distance directly. So you can certainly use that map for navigation, particularly between Stalingrad and Kalach, which is where the majority of the front in game takes place. I'd be wary of relying on it too much though, as I think some of the cartography is interpretive rather than absolute.
Rama Posted October 15, 2014 Posted October 15, 2014 The grid represent the cut of higher scale maps (sub-sheets). Cut of russian maps is geographic (that's why the grid isn't regular and not made of straight lines), the map itself probably use UTM metric projection (don't know the fuse, but it's easy to find), and the lines are fractions of degrees. 1
[TWB]Pand Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 If it's not too much trouble, can I get a print copy for Standard US Letter... or can you share the PSD file? I'm not sure about anyone else but I only have 8.5" x 11" paper/printer available.
indiaciki Posted October 17, 2014 Author Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) If it's not too much trouble, can I get a print copy for Standard US Letter... or can you share the PSD file? I'm not sure about anyone else but I only have 8.5" x 11" paper/printer available. The psd is too huge to post...well over 600mb. You can scale the A4 sheets to printer size (US letter or whatever size - up or down)...most printers should have the option" fit to paper" or just take the pdf - it's as good as the original psd. The psd is larger because of hundreds of layers. resoultion is the same. I read that somebody on the german forum printed it at 70% (the A4 sheets version) since it was too large and it worked (was readable) though I wouldn't scale it down too much because of font sizes used. Edited October 17, 2014 by indiaciki
[TWB]Pand Posted October 18, 2014 Posted October 18, 2014 The psd is too huge to post...well over 600mb. You can scale the A4 sheets to printer size (US letter or whatever size - up or down)...most printers should have the option" fit to paper" or just take the pdf - it's as good as the original psd. The psd is larger because of hundreds of layers. resoultion is the same. I read that somebody on the german forum printed it at 70% (the A4 sheets version) since it was too large and it worked (was readable) though I wouldn't scale it down too much because of font sizes used. I printed out a couple pages of it with the attempt to fit to paper, and it scaled it down too much to be legible--- which is why I was looking for a "more pages, smaller canvas" printable format of letter instead of A4 If it is possible great, if not--- that's cool too, I appreciate the effort!
indiaciki Posted October 18, 2014 Author Posted October 18, 2014 (edited) just take the full pdf and scale it (if it's not already scaled) to 140cm x 90 cm. Then use the ruler to make the individual parts as large as you need them to be. Copy and paste the parts into new files. It's easy. I suggest to make the parts with overlaps of abou 1 cm. I forgot to do that. Makes them easier to assemble Edited October 18, 2014 by indiaciki
AndyHill Posted November 2, 2014 Posted November 2, 2014 http://www.radiofilms.net/BOS/Stalingrad_enroute_chart_pdf.pdf print version (A4 sheets 25 pages 140cm x 90cm): http://www.radiofilms.net/BOS/enroutepdfprint.pdf This is completely epic. Any chance of getting a bit more colorful or differently textured version that would make it easier to differentiate between water, forests and towns?
39bn_pavig Posted November 2, 2014 Posted November 2, 2014 This is completely epic. Any chance of getting a bit more colorful or differently textured version that would make it easier to differentiate between water, forests and towns? At the moment the fellow who made the enroute charts did so by extracting bitmaps from the application. These are huge files, and don't take well to full color treatment. The developers have suggested that they may release the pdfs (vector art) for the maps included in the boxed copies for sale at a later date. This would be the ideal map to convert for a future enroute chart due to the reduced filesizes, better scalability, and ability to easier produce proper vector art and type. Perhaps it is worth waiting for that version to come. 1
AndyHill Posted November 2, 2014 Posted November 2, 2014 Yeah it's not a big problem, I already printed the map and have been using it for a while now. I'm not experienced enough with such huge files or image processing in general to estimate how hard it would be, but even different rasterization for cities would help a lot. In fact I would probably prefer B&W printing on a map this huge. I used to do maps a bit like this for the original Il-2, but the largest ones were probably a quarter of the size of this one so I can appreciate how much of an effort this map must have taken. Thanks again to indiaciki. BTW here are a few tips on how to handle maps of this size: http://www.map-reading.com/appendb.php
indiaciki Posted November 2, 2014 Author Posted November 2, 2014 vectorized maps would be great. BTW I forgot to add overlaps for printing...
AndyHill Posted November 2, 2014 Posted November 2, 2014 The PDF viewer (Adobe Reader) I used had an option for poster printing and that includes the option to set automatic overlap so not a big deal for me.
avlSteve Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 Impressive work. The 25 pager would be even more epic if it was in color; easier to tell the forest from the cities.
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