YAK-9

[wtornado]

Will the YAK-9 that served from October 1942 with the 176th IAP

be put ingame to counter the Bf-109G-2 and FW-190A-3?

[TJT]

• Ten aircraft planned for launch: (LOFT)
  • LaGG-3 (series 29, VK105PF engine)

  • Yak-1 (VK105PF engine, unlocked with single-player campaign)

• Bf 109 F-4

Bf 109 G-2 (unlocked with single-player campaign)

IL-2 (1942 year model, single-seat, AM-38 engine, VYa-23 cannons)

Ju 87 D-3

Pe-2  (series 87 and 110)

He 111 H-6

La-5 (with premium pre-order or separate purchase)

Fw-190 A-3 (with premium pre-order or separate purchase)

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/146-what-we-know-so-far-battle-stalingrad/?p=1254

[Volkoff]

 

Will the YAK-9 that served from October 1942 with the 176th IAP

be put ingame to counter the Bf-109G-2 and FW-190A-3?

 

 I would utterly love a Yak-9 add-on, sometime after the lauch of IL2 BOS. What a looker! She is such a lovely plane.  Hey, I really hope she gets into IL2 BOS. Personally, I will use the Yak-9  a whole lot, if it gets into IL2 BOS. I love that bubble canopy and her reputation does not hurt, either.

 

 MJ

 

Edited August 29, 2013 by =69.GIAP=MIKHA

[wtornado]

I really hope it gets in too it was there and is my favorite Russian fighter.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

Just do not mix it's performance with later series and ultimately the Yak-9U Sure a sleek plane, kind of a bigger Yak-1

[Volkoff]

S!

 

Just do not mix it's performance with later series and ultimately the Yak-9U Sure a sleek plane, kind of a bigger Yak-1

Oh, for sure mate. No need for a late war Yak 9 fantasy match up. I just hope the team will add the 1942 version of the Yak 9 that participated in the battle, that is all. S! MJ

Edited August 29, 2013 by =69.GIAP=MIKHA

[ShamrockOneFive]

Yak-1B, Yak-9, Yak-7B... all took part at various points in the Stalingrad and surrounding area battle... so I can't imagine them being missing for long.

[csThor]

Well, problem is that both Yak-1b and Yak-9 were only on the way in with Stalingrad being some kind of frontline test lab. Unlike the Yak-7b they only became numerically significant in 1943. I'd rather have the devs not spin that hamster's wheel of the ever-latest fighter type again and concentrate on filling out the really missing stuff (like a Ju 52). Just saying ...

[Volkoff]

Yak-1B, Yak-9, Yak-7B... all took part at various points in the Stalingrad and surrounding area battle... so I can't imagine them being missing for long.

 

+1 Exactly. Dang, I love how you think! 

 

MJ

[Heywooood]

Well, problem is that both Yak-1b and Yak-9 were only on the way in with Stalingrad being some kind of frontline test lab. Unlike the Yak-7b they only became numerically significant in 1943. I'd rather have the devs not spin that hamster's wheel of the ever-latest fighter type again and concentrate on filling out the really missing stuff (like a Ju 52). Just saying ...

100% agree

[707shap_Srbin]

Gentlmen.

 

First 8 Yak-9's, entered on front line testing, went to Fighter Inspection of HQ (Kommander - p-k Vasili Stalin, son of Stalin) in late fedruary 1943.

Then this squadron was merged with 32 GIAP (wich converted from Yak-1b to Yak-9) in early MARCH 1943. And saw action on Kalinin front.

 

Ther were NO even 1 YaK-9 at the front in 1942 and january 1943.

 

As for Yak-1b, only 2 regiments - 176iap and 32giap - got it in december-january. 32giap flew over Velikije Luki at that time, 176 iap - at Stalingrad.

[Finkeren]

I'm all for including the Yaks that were historically there, but I was thinking about one thing: Weren't late production Yak 1s nearly indistinguishable from Yak 7 in both appearance and performance?

[leitmotiv]

im for more yaks

[JtD]

I thought the Yak-7's were usually better armed than the -1's, featuring a second UB machine gun.

[III/JG53Frankyboy]

these Yak-1s even had only two SchKas, a Yak-7B would have two UBS !

IIRC a -1 should have a slightly better performance, espacially in climb, the -7B should be easier to fly and would be a better gunplattform - when both had the same engine. In late i should be the M105PF IMO.

[ShamrockOneFive]

I'm all for including the Yaks that were historically there, but I was thinking about one thing: Weren't late production Yak 1s nearly indistinguishable from Yak 7 in both appearance and performance?

Yes, the very late Yak-7B model featured a cut down rear fuselage and lead directly to the development of the Yak-9. There are differences but I can't remember what they are and I suspect its quite a lot of structure and minor equipment modifications that culminated in a new model series (Yak-9) being setup. I believe one of the factories was still churning out Yak-7Bs well into 1943. Don't quote me on that.

 

Before anything else shows up, I'd expect a Yak-7B as it fought during nearly all of the stages of the battle.

 

And yes the Yak-7B would be the best armed of the Yaks available at the time with two UBS 12.7mm machine guns instead of just one on the Yak-1B or the two ShKAS light machine guns on the Yak-1 and Yak-7A. It's actually a fairly powerful forward battery given the hitting power of the Berezin machine guns.

[senseispcc]

 I would utterly love a Yak-9 add-on, sometime after the lauch of IL2 BOS. What a looker! She is such a lovely plane.  Hey, I really hope she gets into IL2 BOS. Personally, I will use the Yak-9  a whole lot, if it gets into IL2 BOS. I love that bubble canopy and her reputation does not hurt, either.

 

 MJ

 

This is a Yak 3 ?!  1944   

The Yak 3 was the first all metal of the Yak series.

Edited September 1, 2013 by senseispcc

[Volkoff]

This is a Yak 3 ?!  1944   

The Yak 3 was the first all metal of the Yak series.

The picure label suggested that it was a Yak 9. I have a feeling that it is either Yak 9U or a Yak 3. The Yak 3 can easily be confused for a Yak 9U. In any event, the picture is not of the Yak 9 I wanted to show. S! MJ

Edited September 1, 2013 by =69.GIAP=MIKHA

[BlitzPig_EL]

The Yak 7B should come before the 9.

 

Always enjoyed the 7B in old IL2.

 

 

Photo is a 7 UT trainer that the 7B was developed from. 

Edited September 1, 2013 by ElAurens

[ShamrockOneFive]

The picure label suggested that it was a Yak 9. I have a feeling that it is either Yak 9U or a Yak 3. The Yak 3 can easily be confused for a Yak 9U. In any event, the picture is not of the Yak 9 I wanted to show. S! MJ

From the canopy structure it appears to be a Yak-3. It may even be a Yak-3M which was manufactured as an official replica build in 1991...not sure where the picture was taken.

 

Here's a Yak-9...

 

 

And yes... a Yak-7B would be more relevant to the Stalingrad battle. Not as pretty but a workhorse for sure.

Edited September 1, 2013 by IceFire

[Volkoff]

The Yak 7B should come before the 9.

 

Always enjoyed the 7B in old IL2.

 

 

Photo is a 7 UT trainer that the 7B was developed from. 

 

I don't know how anyone else feels, but I would rather the Yak-1b comes out, prior to the Yak -7b or Yak-9. This way we fill out one branch of the Yak development line, as far as Stalingrad goes. While the Yak 7b may have enhanced firepower and greater stabilty in gunnery, when compared to the Yak-1b, is it not the case that the Yak-1b will prove to be the more agile dogfighter of the two development lines? The Yak 1b may not have the firepower of the Yak-7b, but the Yak-1b has a bubble canopy, giving it one of the main advantages of the Yak 7b. I am first and foremost interested in getting rid of that blasted razorback, on my Yak 1. Razorbacks are pretty, but seeing out the back is practical.

 

 MJ

 

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Edited September 1, 2013 by =69.GIAP=MIKHA

[Pierre64]

Yak-3 and Yak-9 have a very similar look... Excepted the nose!

In 1945, OKL ordered Jagdwaffe pilots to disengage if they encountered Yaks without chin radiator.

On the color photograph posted above, it is probably a Yak-3M ("modern" antenna under the rear fuselage*) camouflaged as the Yak-3 flown during 1944-45 by Lt Marcel Albert (1917-2010), an ace with 23 kills and Hero of the Soviet Union, leader of the 1st escadrille of the Free French Groupe de Chasse 3 "Normandie Niemen".

 

(Edited)

*And US registration Nxxxx behind the white arrow

Edited September 1, 2013 by Pierre64

[Volkoff]

Yak-3 and Yak-9 have a very similar look... Excepted the nose!

 

 

Sure, but I have a real hard time telling a yak-9U from a Yak-3, nose and all.  MJ

 

Hey, I am utterly impressed if you can tell this Yak-9U from a Yak-3, just by taking a quick glance at the pictures, very impressed.  Upon close study, I can see slight differences, but slight, and I can see how the plane I used in my first post can get mislabeled generically as a Yak-9 on the Internet, given the close similatities between a Yak-3 and a Yak-9U.

 

A Yak- 9U:

 

A Yak-3:

Edited September 1, 2013 by =69.GIAP=MIKHA

[6S.Manu]

In 1945, OKL ordered Jagdwaffe pilots to disengage if they encountered Yaks without chin radiator.

 

And here we go. 

[leitmotiv]

Yak 9 or Yak-3, easiest for me i just look at front cockpit glass and see clear difference between Yak 3 and other Yaks

 

Im also wayting for wepon adon list to see what modifications of Yaks we will have in BoS i thought they will release the list last week 

 

nice pictures

Edited September 1, 2013 by Yaklover

[Pierre64]

 Hey, I am utterly impressed if you can tell this Yak-9U from a Yak-3, just by taking a quick glance at the pictures, very impressed.  

Easy! It´s written with cyrillic characters on the basement brass plate when you visit the Muzej na Aviatsyata i VVS in Plovdiv, Bulgaria

More seriously, of course you are right, especially in dogfight at 350mph!

[MackStones]

Yes, the very late Yak-7B model featured a cut down rear fuselage and lead directly to the development of the Yak-9. There are differences but I can't remember what they are and I suspect its quite a lot of structure and minor equipment modifications that culminated in a new model series (Yak-9) being setup. I believe one of the factories was still churning out Yak-7Bs well into 1943. Don't quote me on that.

 

Before anything else shows up, I'd expect a Yak-7B as it fought during nearly all of the stages of the battle.

 

And yes the Yak-7B would be the best armed of the Yaks available at the time with two UBS 12.7mm machine guns instead of just one on the Yak-1B or the two ShKAS light machine guns on the Yak-1 and Yak-7A. It's actually a fairly powerful forward battery given the hitting power of the Berezin machine guns.

 

Good recollection, IceFire.  According to Yefim Gordon's "Yakovelev's Piston-Engined Fighters" and his "Soviet Air Power in WW2", the Yak-7D (and Yak-7DI) prototype was designed as an upgrade of the Yak-7B.  It used duralumin spars and ribs for the framework.  Duralumin was then more available than earlier in the war.  The prototype also had the teardrop canopy, as opposed to the razorback.   The starboard UBS machine-gun was deleted as well.  It also had all four fuel tanks connected with a single service tank, to ensure better, uniform fuel consumption from the tanks.  Trials showed it to be a significant improvement on the Yak-7B, and it was ordered into production with a new Yak-9 designation.  According to Gordon, there were Yak-7Bs still produced in 1943, due to shortages of duralumin.  

 

I do agree that a Yak-7B would be a good addition for the game.  It was prevalent in the Stalingrad campaign (at least as many as the Yak-1s from what I've seen).  Personally, I think that a later-model I-16 would be an interesting addition; based upon Il-2 experience, although "obsolete", it can cause some fits for the Luftwaffe when in the hands of a good pilot.  On the other hand, I recognize that there are practical limits in terms of developer time/expense when trying to get a new game out (plus a need to ensure balanced gameplay). 

[Volkoff]

@ Yaklover-With a nick like Yaklover you can probably tell them apart while blindfolded. Like Pierre,  I need some help sorting some of the Yaks out.  MJ

 

BTW, Is the Yak-1b the more agile dogfighter, when compared to a Yak- 7b? If it is, being on a VVS virtual squad, I would rather we get a Yak-1b before a Yak-7b.

Edited September 1, 2013 by =69.GIAP=MIKHA

[leitmotiv]

i like Yak 1B to me it looks better, but in old il2 Yak 7B 1942 model was better fighter

[Volkoff]

i like Yak 1B to me it looks better, but in old il2 Yak 7B 1942 model was better fighter

See, I have no IL2 multiplayer experience. I thought that if the Yak- 1b is more agile, it would be better. In single player it would increase the challenge because it is not necessarily as stable as the Yak-7b and not necessarily as well armed. In multiplayer, I thought that the Yak-1 b, if the more agile of the two, would be favored on airquake servers. From a squad perspective, I figure that the combined,and coordinated, lethality of a flight of four Yak-1b machines would make up for an individual shortfall in gun lethality, relative to a single Yak-7b, and that the relative added agility would maximize the chances of my squad mates having the time to respond to a single member in distress, because the Yak-1b might be able to survive  a bnz attack longer than a Yak-7b, being more agile, assuming it is more agile.  MJ

Edited September 1, 2013 by =69.GIAP=MIKHA

[leitmotiv]

I thought yak-1b was slightly better but in old il2 game ( that dosent mean this is correct in RL its in that game like this ) in 1vs1 or 2vs2 between yak-1b and yak-7b 42, later one won most of the time,

Cant wayt to see how will they behave in BoS, when they make them

Edited September 1, 2013 by Yaklover

[ShamrockOneFive]

No question, the Yak-1B is better in virtually every way. The 1B served from somewhere in late 1942 with some units still using them in 1944 (again if memory serves).

 

I'm looking at adding planes more from a historical viewpoint and from that point the 7B is the more logical choice. For dogfighting pleasure the 1B would be much more fun

[Volkoff]

No question, the Yak-1B is better in virtually every way. The 1B served from somewhere in late 1942 with some units still using them in 1944 (again if memory serves).

 

I'm looking at adding planes more from a historical viewpoint and from that point the 7B is the more logical choice. For dogfighting pleasure the 1B would be much more fun

 

I totally understand your position and you have very sound reasoning. It is not that I don't want the Yak-7b, cause I sure do. I just want the Yak-1b first.   We shall see what the United Team has planned. I am sure they have some great ideas for which add-on planes to add next. Some members in the community have recently presented some good reasons for adding planes like the Ju-52, somehow. I have seen calls for the I-16 and other early planes. l certainly think that planes like the I-16 will have tremendous appeal, even for my own self. No matter what, I think we will both be very pleased with the choices that are made by the United Team, unless the next add-on plane is a ME-262.   

MJ

Edited September 2, 2013 by =69.GIAP=MIKHA

[VeryOldMan]

Just a question, if this Yak-1 is the vk105PF engined, then its a Yak-1B right?

 

OTherwise I am happy I bought the premium versiont aht will give me a lA5.. otherwise  would be very hard when  need to jump into red lane sonline

[csThor]

No. The Yak-1b was further modified (made lighter, IIRC). Most obvious sign is the new bubble canopy as opposed to the old "hunchack" of the previous Yak-1 versions. A "normal" Yak-1 with VK-105PF is most commonly labeled "Yak-1 Model 1942".

Edited September 2, 2013 by csThor

[Sgt_Joch]

Yak-9 started life as the Yak-7DI, basically an improved and lighter version of the Yak-7b with a bubble canopy. Extensive testing in august 1942 showed that performance/maneuverability was a better than captured 109F at low/medium altitude.

 

Production began in october 1942 at which time it was redesignated Yak-9. 500 were built by january 1943, when production ceased in favor of improved variants, i.e. Yak-9T, Yak-9D, etc.

 

Yak-9s started flying on the eastern front in mid-december 1942 (1st Air Army, Western Front) and over Stalingrad in late december 1942.

 

They will probably make it into the game eventually.

Edited September 3, 2013 by 2Lt_Joch

[ImPeRaToR]

Just a question, if this Yak-1 is the vk105PF engined, then its a Yak-1B right?

 

OTherwise I am happy I bought the premium versiont aht will give me a lA5.. otherwise  would be very hard when  need to jump into red lane sonline

 

No. The Yak-1b was further modified (made lighter, IIRC). Most obvious sign is the new bubble canopy as opposed to the old "hunchack" of the previous Yak-1 versions. A "normal" Yak-1 with VK-105PF is most commonly labeled "Yak-1 Model 1942".

Damn I was counting on it being a 1b as well, was really looking forward to flying it. Also I can't really see how the Yak1 and LaGG3 will have any chance to complete with the F-4 let alone the G-2. Yak1b I can imagine being a good match for the F-4 though, maybe even the G-2.

But time will tell I guess, can't wait to gain access

[ImPeRaToR]

There was a "lightened" serial production version of hte Yak1 with PF engine that reached stalingrad units in november 42, which had similar performance to the Yak1b actually, just inferiour visibility. That one would be nice

[Volkoff]

There was a "lightened" serial production version of hte Yak1 with PF engine that reached stalingrad units in november 42, which had similar performance to the Yak1b actually, just inferiour visibility. That one would be nice

 

I was thinking about that machine as well, Imperator. The only problem is that the bubble canopy is a real selling point for the Yak-1b. The LA-5 can probably do most if not all of the things that a lightened Yak-1 can, plus is relatively better armed and better resistant to engine damage. I am sure the La-5 will br fantastic, but it is a razorback. As a lone wolf'er, on the German side, one can dive away from trouble, climb away, or just run away, but to lone wolf it on the VVS side, one cannot depend on any of those advantages. Along with agility and easy going flying characteristics, the ability to maintain optimal situational awareness is really essential to a VVS lone wolfer. A bubble canopy Yak-1b really fits that need for a VVS plane that is agile, relatively easy to fly, and endowed with optimal rearward viability, for optimal opportunity is seeing and maintain sight on an enemy machine, particularly in drag and bag situations and ambushes.

 

 MJ

Edited September 3, 2013 by =69.GIAP=MIKHA

[Volkoff]

P.S. I routinely make a million typos, so not being able to edit a post is a real pain.   My main point is that the Yak-1b would be the optimal free hunter for the VVS and that the La-5 can already fill in for what the lightened Yak 1 brings to the table, and then some, probably. Right now, the VVS doesn't have a good free hunting plane/ lone wolfer plane because the VVS fighters are all razorbacks.

Edited September 3, 2013 by =69.GIAP=MIKHA