I want an Iron Cross with oak leaves and diamonds

[Uriah]

I think it might help my 'throat ache'.

"Some time later a special page with all pilots stats will be published."

 

I think a value showing ratio of kills to being killed would be good.  If I get 40 kills but am killed 80 times I don't think I deserve my Iron Cross.

 

What did the USSR reward their heroes with?

[=LD=Hethwill]

They made it less complicated but more demanding.

 

Not counting the Kutuzov classes, I think the Order of Lenin and Hero of the Soviet Union might be the equivalent. The latter to armed citizens, the former can also be given to non combatants, but i'm sure some others can show proper equivalences.

 

Mind you that the scoring systems were very different on both air forces, which also makes equivalence very intricate to reason.

[15[Span.]/JG51Costa]

I want an Iron Cross with oak leaves and diamonds

http://www.todocoleccion.net/cruz-caballero-hojas-roble-espadas-brillantes-original-hans-ulrich-rudel~x43920093 

 

 

 

I think a value showing ratio of kills to being killed would be good. If I get 40 kills but am killed 80 times I don't think I deserve my Iron Cross.

 

Agree

Edited October 10, 2014 by 15[Span]/Costa

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

It's about thirty bucks on ebay (replica)!

[SharpeXB]

It would be great to see real pilot badges in the sim rather than cartoonish "Level 2 Pilot" awards

Or this

[unreasonable]

If you are killed you should lose all the awards from that side and revert to zero.

[=LD=Hethwill]

If you are killed you should lose all the awards from that side and revert to zero.

 

Yes. Obviously i support this ( posted it long ago ).

 

If not possible or intended by the devs then add the Longest Streak values.

[Thunder7]

I support this 100%, realistic medals and badges as well as promotions for sustained performance.

[SCG_Neun]

You'll only see realistic German  medals on a third party level......So I wouldn't get to excited about something like that at this stage.....Maybe they could modify some things though..but I doubt that as well.....

 

[malteser1337]

Yes. Obviously i support this ( posted it long ago ).

 

If not possible or intended by the devs then add the Longest Streak values.

Agreed. Partially.

 

About a decade ago, a friend and me made the Virtual Online War for the first IL-2 game (anyone remember?). We tried to find the most realistic rules for giving awards for each distinct medal. Although I don't remember all the details, we too based the Iron Cross and its various decorations on the current kill streak, accumulated over all missions and reset on the pilot's virtual death or capture. Of course the pilots kept the medals after their demise - in the end, it was a game.

 

I still think, this is a good solution, as it resembles best the original conditions to receive an Iron Cross as a pilot.

 

For medals of other countries, different rules applied, but I don't remember details (could try and find the source code and look it up)

 

Cheers,

Malte

[SCG_Neun]

http://vimeo.com/60899384

 

Might I suggest this presentation song for the Luftwaffe recipients.....

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

I think over 200 kills streak online would be fair for the diamonds. It would be like you were a real hero. How many german pilots did  get it ??? 10 ???

Edited October 20, 2014 by JG62Gielow

[Thunder7]

Agreed. Partially.

 

About a decade ago, a friend and me made the Virtual Online War for the first IL-2 game (anyone remember?). We tried to find the most realistic rules for giving awards for each distinct medal. Although I don't remember all the details, we too based the Iron Cross and its various decorations on the current kill streak, accumulated over all missions and reset on the pilot's virtual death or capture. Of course the pilots kept the medals after their demise - in the end, it was a game.

 

I still think, this is a good solution, as it resembles best the original conditions to receive an Iron Cross as a pilot.

 

For medals of other countries, different rules applied, but I don't remember details (could try and find the source code and look it up)

 

Cheers,

Malte

I think it would be a great addition to the game and it seems to be a popular idea with other pilots on here.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

-snip-

 

Disclaimer: I am only pointing this out for your knowledge and do so with no intentions of condescension. Knowledge is power, and all that.

 

"Ritterkreuz des Eisernen Kreuzes mit Eichenlaub, Schwertern und Brillianten" or "Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross with Oak Leaves, Swords and Diamonds" is not the same reward as the Eisernes Kreuz (Iron Cross).

 

The Eisernes Kreuz is a different commendation with two grades: First Class and Second Class. The Ritterkreuz is not a grade of the Eisernes Kreuz.

 

 

I would prefer to see a RoF style "commendation system" like we see in the B-Career. It doesn't really cater to what we currently have (campaign-gen wise), but if there were ever a way to make it fit it would be great. Currently, there is no motivation or reward for the number of victories I've claimed or the battles I've flown in. No, Experten did not constantly receive commendations but until we can "debrief" and have a bier at the Experten's Bar, the lack of Squad/Pilot RP, motivation and reward, etc. doesn't promote pilot/squadron immersion. :/

Edited October 21, 2014 by FalkeEins

[J2_Trupobaw]

Disclaimer: I am only pointing this out for your knowledge and do so with no intentions of condescension. Knowledge is power, and all that.

 

"Ritterkreuz des Eisernen Kreuzes mit Eichenlaub, Schwertern und Brillianten" or "Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross with Oak Leaves, Swords and Diamonds" is not the same reward as the Eisernes Kreuz (Iron Cross).

 

The Eisernes Kreuz is a different commendation with two grades: First Class and Second Class. The Ritterkreuz is not a grade of the Eisernes Kreuz.

 

I think both classes of Iron cross were still a prerequisite (practically if not formally).

 

 

You'll only see realistic German  medals on a third party level......So I wouldn't get to excited about something like that at this stage.....Maybe they could modify some things though..but I doubt that as well.....

 

 

Just use the de-nazified 1957 version, issued by German Federal Republic as replacement to war veterans so they could carry their decorations without breaking the law. It adds a nice implication that your pilot survived the war and lived into 1950s in West Germany...

 

Edited October 21, 2014 by Trupobaw

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

I think both classes of Iron cross were still a prerequisite (practically if not formally).

 

 

 

Just use the de-nazified 1957 version, issued by German Federal Republic as replacement to war veterans so they could carry their decorations without breaking the law. It adds a nice implication that your pilot survived the war and lived into 1950s in West Germany...

 

Not formally, no. (<-- I am willing to accept different conclusions if there is any wartime documentation to support the claim.) Naturally, it is unlikely that you would have an RK if you weren't issued an EK (I/II) just like it would be unlikely to receive a Medal of Honor without having a Bronze Star or another merit/valor commendation earned through combat service.

 

That isn't the point I was making though (in fact, I wasn't making one), just informing OP that they are different commendations if he was not already aware.

 

The Post-War RK would be an excellent compromise. I do like that idea. Or the historical marking can be censored similarly to what is done on the vertical stabilizer on the LW aircraft.

Edited October 21, 2014 by FalkeEins

[J2_Trupobaw]

That isn't the point I was making though (in fact, I wasn't making one), just informing OP that they are different commendations if he was not already aware.

 

Oh, right, I completely agree with that. RK was more like poor mans gefreiter Hitler's own replacement of Prussian Pour le Merite order, while EK(I/II) was more than century old in 1939.

Edited October 21, 2014 by Trupobaw

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

Which plant is that replaced the swastika ???

[J2_Trupobaw]

Oak leaves cluster. Just like the one that appeared on 1813, 1870 and 1914 versions and was replaced by swastika in 1939 version.

[SharpeXB]

I like the idea of using the 1957 version since its 100% authentic.

[Potenz]

What did the USSR reward their heroes with?

a bullet or a vacation all inclusive to some recrational camp in Syberia

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

I like the idea of using the 1957 version since its 100% authentic.

No, it's not... It's the 1957 version... A compromise.

 

-face palm-

[[TWB]80hd]

Let's not give 109/190 pilots any more incentive to run and hide instead of fighting, please.

[Leaf]

Let's not give 109/190 pilots any more incentive to run and hide instead of fighting, please.

 

So you basically want FW's and 109's to turn fight your Yaks? You want them to give up every advantage they have so that you can have an easy kill? 

I'd say there are enough 109 pilots pretending to be Marseille already.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

So you basically want FW's and 109's to turn fight your Yaks? You want them to give up every advantage they have so that you can have an easy kill? 

I'd say there are enough 109 pilots pretending to be Marseille already.

 

Yes, that is what is desired.

 

I don't understand all the hate for flying the aircraft that we like to fly, the way we like to fly them.

 

"I got boom and zoomed and never saw him coming!!1! :(" - get TrackIR/Freetrack and learn how to turn inside a diving target... The problem is not any of us...

Edited October 22, 2014 by FalkeEins

[Caudron431]

Let's not give 109/190 pilots any more incentive to run and hide instead of fighting, please.

Hey as said already it was their tactics and they proved very effective with their types of aircraft! It is what should be...

 

Don't be frustrated: for the moment axis pilots have the most useful cards in their hands, but they will suffer too when the game evolves to others periods and fronts. Just stay focused on the objectives rather than on kills (that's how one wins wars) and be prepared for the ultimate sacrifice for your motherland: this way you'll probably get kills too!