One Custom Graphics Give Back

[KodiakJac]

Hi guys,

 

I've got an i5 running at 3.0 GHz 12GB ram and an AMD 7850 w/2GB ram and I'm barely able to run BoS.  On "Low" graphics, AA off, and low sound quality I'm running maybe 6 to 8 fps and worse near the ground (probably 2 to 4 fps).  Inside the cockpit my TrackIR view is chunk, chunk, chunk even at high altitude as I look around.  Ground attack is nearly impossible due to the frame rate.

 

Wishing you (1CGS) could offer one custom graphics give-back.  Maybe the ability to turn off the clouds.  I could live with the skybox to get a playable frame rate.  Maybe something else instead.  Whatever would be the highest impact relief to improve frame rate.  In RoF my frame rate is great, probably around 40 or 50 fps...imperceptible to me, and I've got most of the custom graphics options maxed out (I think forrest drawing is set one notch down) but everything else is pretty much maxed out and I didn't think I would take this hard of a hit with BoS.

 

Is this an AMD thing?  Wondering how other players are doing that have AMD cards.

 

Thanks!

 

P.S.  I'm doing nothing in Catalyst...no profile at all for BoS.  So all stock BoS turned down all the way.

[[KWN]T-oddball]

have you looked to see if you video card and proc are running at %100? is you i5 a 661? I remember an issue with the AMD cards in CLoD where the flash video during the intro would lock the video cards into 30 FPS and cause player to have real low FPS.

 

I would download some monitoring software for your CPU/GPU and see what is happening when the game is running,

http://event.msi.com/vga/afterburner/download.htm

[KodiakJac]

I had thought about digging deeper, but I'm afraid of the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" biting me.  I'm also not very good at diagnosing problems like this.  I don't hit 60+ fps except on older titles like IL-2 1946 DBW, but on RoF, WOFF, CloD and DCS I'm hitting 45 to 55 fps (depending on the number of planes in the air and ground activity).  Are you saying there is a change I could make for BoS that wouldn't effect the other titles?  Or maybe if I changed something for BoS the other titles would run even faster?  I have MSI Afterburner but I'm really not sure what to look for.  My i5 is a 2320, but I don't know what that means vs other i5's to be honest.  I don't have my AMD card overclocked...it is running at stock speeds with room to kick it up by 10 to 20% (I also have somthing called GPU-Z but again didn't really know what I was doing with it).

 

What worries me is that I need a 300 to 400% improvement for BoS.  BoS is the first game to bring my rig to its knees.

 

Thanks!

[=69.GIAP=Shvak]

Hi guys,

 

I've got an i5 running at 3.0 GHz 12GB ram and an AMD 7850 w/2GB ram and I'm barely able to run BoS.  On "Low" graphics, AA off, and low sound quality I'm running maybe 6 to 8 fps and worse near the ground (probably 2 to 4 fps).  Inside the cockpit my TrackIR view is chunk, chunk, chunk even at high altitude as I look around.  Ground attack is nearly impossible due to the frame rate.

 

Wishing you (1CGS) could offer one custom graphics give-back.  Maybe the ability to turn off the clouds.  I could live with the skybox to get a playable frame rate.  Maybe something else instead.  Whatever would be the highest impact relief to improve frame rate.  In RoF my frame rate is great, probably around 40 or 50 fps...imperceptible to me, and I've got most of the custom graphics options maxed out (I think forrest drawing is set one notch down) but everything else is pretty much maxed out and I didn't think I would take this hard of a hit with BoS.

 

Is this an AMD thing?  Wondering how other players are doing that have AMD cards.

 

Thanks!

 

P.S.  I'm doing nothing in Catalyst...no profile at all for BoS.  So all stock BoS turned down all the way.

You should not be tattling to run the BoS at all. I run it almost maxed out on an i5 2500k (not over clocked) and a Radeon 6950 with 2g vram... Obviously you will need to turn off antialias or go for low settings...

You have not indicated your screen resolution? I am running mine at 1920x1080

[KodiakJac]

You should not be tattling to run the BoS at all. I run it almost maxed out on an i5 2500k (not over clocked) and a Radeon 6950 with 2g vram... Obviously you will need to turn off antialias or go for low settings...

You have not indicated your screen resolution? I am running mine at 1920x1080

 

I've got AA off in BoS and I'm running the "Low" graphics setting per my note above (I've also got the lower quality sound selected).  No catalyst profile, just stock BoS.  My screen resolution is 1920x1080 on a 23 inch monitor.  If you're getting a good fps with a 6950 then I should be getting better with a 7850 2GB card, but I'm not and can't figure out why.  Your 2500k is a little better than my 2320 but it shouldn't be that much different I would think, that's why I was asking for help.  Its almost a slide show off the runway, then gets a little better at high altitude as I get away from the ground.  But TrackIR is very choppy at any altitude also.  Can hardly run ground attack missions because I can't aim with the choppy frame rate.  I just finished playing RoF a few minutes ago with almost maxed out graphics and it is running great.

 

Thanks for the feedback.

Edited October 10, 2014 by Bucksnort

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 Running full screen and not windowed?

[[KWN]T-oddball]

what ever is going on is specific to this game, start here

Verifying Your Game Files

If you're encountering issues with launching or playing IL-2 Sturmovik: Battle of Stalingrad, make sure everything installed correctly.

Aside from verifying your game cache and checking your connection with Steam, you may also need to manually run secondary installers required by this game.

Exit Steam entirely.

Browse to your IL-2 Sturmovik: Battle of Stalingrad installation folder (Usually C:\Program Files\Steam\steamapps\common\IL-2 Sturmovik Battle of Stalingrad\)

Run the following installers:

• ...\Steamapps\common\IL-2 Sturmovik Battle of Stalingrad\_CommonRedist\DirectX\Jun2010\DXSETUP.exe
• ...\Steamapps\common\IL-2 Sturmovik Battle of Stalingrad\_CommonRedist\vcredist\2008\vcredist_x64.exe
• ...\Steamapps\common\IL-2 Sturmovik Battle of Stalingrad\_CommonRedist\vcredist\2008\vcredist_x86.exe
• ...\Steamapps\common\IL-2 Sturmovik Battle of Stalingrad\_CommonRedist\DotNet\3.5\dotNetFx35.exe

Reboot your computer and test the issue again

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=6967-RDFX-0870

[KodiakJac]

S!

 

 Running full screen and not windowed?

 

Thanks for the help, Flanker and OddBall.

 

Getting late, but I'll be back to work on it tomorrow night.

 

Two questions till then:

 

I've got it set to Full Screen (just double checked)...should I try to uncheck that box (I've always run BoS full screen).

 

Also, I'm on direct purchase from 1CGS, not Steam.  But maybe I should just do a fresh install.  All this started with the recent update where we unstalled everything.  I just assumed it was because of the campaign overwhelming my system with too much stuff (clouds, planes, ground forces, etc).  But thinking about it now, sounds like the next step is to try a fresh install tomorrow night.  I'll report back after that.

 

Edited October 10, 2014 by Bucksnort

[FlatSpinMan]

Do you have that SuperSampling thing on? (Is that still an option?). If so, that's supposed to be a killer.

[SYN_Blackrat]

Just a wild guess, you are not running BOS on the CPU graphics chip rather than the ATi card? I have read of some guys having similar problems in Iracing where they should have a lot more performance with the GPU. Now how you check that I do not know, but GPUz is a GPU monitoring program, fire it up and select the sensors tab, check it to run in the background, fire up BOS and alt tab out to check how much GPU is being utilised.

Oh one other thing, not sure if it affect the SP campaign but in multiplayer if you have the network settings wrong it can cause FPS issues.

[SYN_Mike77]

So, you didn't have a problem till this last round of updates where we had to uninstall and reinstall the whole game? If so, you got a bad download or supersampler was checked on. There is zero reason why the additon of the campaign would kill your framerates to the extent that you are reporting. I wouldn't buy any new gear just yet, you'll figure out what the problem is.

[dragon76]

It puzzles me why they went with that super controversal decision to ban custom graphics settings in the game. It exists in every game and it can help alot with fine tuning performance/visuals and not only to ppl with less capable Pcs...

[VBF-12_Snake9]

Maybe you are already doing this, but try limiting your in game frame lock to 30.  This is the only thing that keeps the stutters away for me. 

[[KWN]T-oddball]

It puzzles me why they went with that super controversal decision to ban custom graphics settings in the game. It exists in every game and it can help alot with fine tuning performance/visuals and not only to ppl with less capable Pcs...

 

I am not sure what to make of that, other games have low-med-high-ultra as presets but also allow for fine tuning.

 

So, you didn't have a problem till this last round of updates where we had to uninstall and reinstall the whole game? If so, you got a bad download or supersampler was checked on. There is zero reason why the additon of the campaign would kill your framerates to the extent that you are reporting. I wouldn't buy any new gear just yet, you'll figure out what the problem is.

 

Don't listen to mike...your video card is the problem buy this card and all you problems will go away   http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487038 all kidding aside he is right, your gear is good.

 

I was going to recommend you reinstall but I did not know what a pain it can be, as for super sampling is that not a on a percentage slide? or is it fixed at %200?

Edited October 10, 2014 by T-oddball

[KodiakJac]

I am not sure what to make of that, other games have low-med-high-ultra as presets but also allow for fine tuning.

 

 

Don't listen to mike...your video card is the problem buy this card and all you problems will go away   http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487038 all kidding aside he is right, your gear is good.

 

 

^ This was it!  Just trundled down to my local Best Buy and picked up this little gem of a video card for $2,999.99 and Voila, 2000 fps!

 

 

Maybe you are already doing this, but try limiting your in game frame lock to 30.  This is the only thing that keeps the stutters away for me. 

 

Just kidding      ^ This was it!  I had my FPS Limiter set to "Off" figuring I'll take what I can get.  So I tried setting it at 30 and Voila, very playable now.  I tried it set at 50 after that but started to get the chop, chop back, so 30 it is.  Still a little choppy on the runway, but even at 200 ft altitude things smooth out for me and I'm probably up around 30 fps almost immediately.  Can run ground attacks with no problems now.

 

This was the homerun I needed, so I appreciate all you guys talking this through with me.

 

I'll still fiddle around a bit to see if I can put anything back in the game, maybe the higher sound quality, or move from "Low" to the next step up in graphics level, but I'm just fine and able to play the game now.

 

Thank you!   

[KodiakJac]

P.S.  Both before changing my FPS Limiter from "Off" to "30" and then after I changed it, I ran GPU-Z and it showed my GPU running at about 70 to 80% in both instances.  So maybe setting my FPS Limiter to a value other than "Off" it fixed some disconnect between BoS and my video card somehow?  Even when I upped it to 50 and the choppiness came back somewhat, it wasn't as bad as with it set to "Off."  Anyway, just thought I would share that for those who know more about this stuff than me.  

Edited October 11, 2014 by Bucksnort

[SYN_Blackrat]

If you get the same GPU utilisation in both scenarios it would suggest your CPU is the bottle neck, it cannot produce the frames quick enough, by reducing the max frames you have relieved a bit of stress on the CPU. You can also monitor the CPU using CPUz :-)

[[KWN]T-oddball]

P.S.  Both before changing my FPS Limiter from "Off" to "30" and then after I changed it, I ran GPU-Z and it showed my GPU running at about 70 to 80% in both instances.  So maybe setting my FPS Limiter to a value other than "Off" it fixed some disconnect between BoS and my video card somehow?  Even when I upped it to 50 and the choppiness came back somewhat, it wasn't as bad as with it set to "Off."  Anyway, just thought I would share that for those who know more about this stuff than me.  

 

If you set a cap on the FPS this should reduce how hard the video card is working, if you overclock your CPU most of the time your frames will go up (if the card is not already maxed out) , if your card is still doing the same amount of work capped or uncapped then the problem seems to lie between the CPU and GPU, when you have it capped at 50 the choppyness begins but the video card is still working at the same rate it was with a cap of 30....which to me means the information from the CPU is not getting to the GPU....its being throttled.

 

tunr the cap off and then see what your CPU is doing when the choppyness begins.

[KodiakJac]

Thanks for the continued help, guys.

 

Ok, to start, here is a screen print from GPU-Z.  Maybe this will mean more to you guys than me.  This is from an He-111 mission.  I've got five wingmen (plus me) and two 109 escorts for a total of 8 planes in the air in close vicinity. I'm climbing out at altitude now.  This reflects about a minute or two of gameplay with me looking around using TrackIR from inside the cockpit, plus going to external view and watching my plane and the formation:

 

 

I've run further tests using the same scenario above with the FPS Limiter set at "Off" through 120 and this GPU-Z image always looks pretty much the same, although as mentioned above, at 30 I get pretty good frame rate except on the runway, and all other settings the frame rate gets worse and worse, with "Off" being the worst of all even though GPU-Z looks the same.

 

With the FPS Limiter set to 30 I'm able to play most of the game, except I can't take off with planes that need more attention to yaw such as the 190.  The rate is too choppy on the runway and I can't make fine corrections, so I have to use autopilot to take off in the 190.  I'm guessing on the runway my FPS is about 2 (graphics are updating about twice per second).  But strangely, at even 200 to 300 ft altitude it starts to smooth out dramatically and then by 500 ft altitude it is kicking up to probably the 30 fps ceiling from the FPS Limiter and I'm fine.  On the runway, GPU-Z shows my GPU pretty much maxed out, but then it drops down to the 70-80% range as soon as I get off the ground.

 

I'll download CPU-Z and post results from it later today.

 

Thank you.

[KodiakJac]

One more question:

 

I just downloaded and I'm running CPU-Z now.  Is there any tab that would be of particular interest while BoS is running and I'll post a screenshot of it.  It looks mostly like static information to me with no moving bars or graphs that I can tell.

 

Thanks!

[VBF-12_Snake9]

The choppiness is a game problem with older ati cards that they chose never to address.  It was introduced with the G2 patch many months ago.  This is the only endaround that seems to work.  It's not really a stutter per say.  More like someone repeating tapping the pause key over and over.  Pause. Pause. Pause. Pause. Pause.   

[SYN_Blackrat]

One more question:

 

I just downloaded and I'm running CPU-Z now.  Is there any tab that would be of particular interest while BoS is running and I'll post a screenshot of it.  It looks mostly like static information to me with no moving bars or graphs that I can tell.

 

Thanks!

 

My bad, sry, just have task manager running and have it on the performance tab, you will see what each core of the CPU is doing.

[[KWN]T-oddball]

%57 load 620mb memory, something is bottlenecking the GPU, did you do a fresh install of the game? and if you can please take a screen shot of the CPU (ALL 4 cores) when the stutering is happening. As blackrat said, Task manger, perfromance tab.

[KodiakJac]

Ok, here is my CPU from Task Manager with FPS Limiter set to 30:

 

 

Here is my CPU with FPS set to "Off."  In this condition the choppiness is terrible.  As described by Snake it is more of a lurch, lurch, lurch like someone hitting the pause key over and over again.

 

 

GPU-Z looks the same as in my post above under both conditions.

 

Thanks!

 

P.S. Yes, I did a re-install.  And I'm not complaining.  Other than taking off from the runway I'm now able to play the game on FPS Limiter 30, but if you guys see something I can improve then all the better!

[KodiakJac]

Any more thoughts on my last post above? Wasn't sure if you guys missed my CPU screen prints from Task Manager.

 

Thanks!

[SYN_Blackrat]

I had missed it, an increase in 20% of CPU use, but those numbers could be higher, if it was fine before that big update it should be fine now surely, I never noticed a big hit after that update, I think the GPU is not a big hitter of a card but it should run things.

 

Have you updated the ATi drivers lately?

 

Very puzzling, but you can bet your bottom dollar it is something simple like your antivirus deciding to check every file as it is used or something, someone else reported an issue after an update where Norton had decided it didn't like something in the download and refused to execute it.

 

You could try something like a game booster, this one gets pretty good reviews  http://www.iobit.com/gamebooster.php it helps to temporarily shut down some of those 71 process you have running in the back ground, also maybe try turning the AV off? Just suggestions for you to explore, something has changed and it is not your hardware.

[KodiakJac]

Thanks, Blackrat.

 

That gives me something to work on and I'll not worry about hardware but focus on software that could be getting in my way including AV and other processes.

 

Cheers!

[SOLIDKREATE]

AMD Phenom II X4 2.66GHz

PNY GTX650Ti 2GB VRAM

8 GB DDR3 1333Mhz

 

 

I can run this game maxed out, little chop here and there but nothing that will make me want to give up.