IL-2 original or new release?

[CorsairHundo]

Hello pilots,

 

It's been many years since did and flight combat sims. I've manly been doing racing sims (Iracing as of lately) for the last 20 years but I've sold all my race sim equipment and now want to fly combat.

 

The question is should I just get in this new release (beta now) or get the original old version since its been a while for me? As of the last week I've been messing around with war thunder buti want more out of a combat sim then that.

 

Thank you

 

Don

Edited October 4, 2014 by CorsairHundo

[JG4_Continuo]

Hello pilots,

 

It's been many years since did and flight combat sims. I've manly been doing racing sims (Iracing as of lately) for the last 20 years but I've sold all my race sim equipment and now want to fly combat.

 

The question is should I just get in this new release (beta now) or get the original old version since its been a while for me? As of the last week I've been messing around with war thunder buti want more out of a combat sim then that.

 

Thank you

 

Don

 

Why not get all of the good ones? Il2-1946 and Il2- Cliffs of Dover (now very well playable with the team fusion mods) are on steam for very few bucks. 10$ or so, I believe. So even if you bought all 3 simulations (1946, Cliffs and BoS), you are not that much over 100.-. Worth it for sure!!

Edited October 4, 2014 by JG4_Continuo

[CorsairHundo]

Well I didn't know they were that inexpensive

 

Thanks

[Gambit21]

I would stick with BoS - just my opinion.

1946 is pretty dated at this point.

[Leaf]

Hello pilots,

 

It's been many years since did and flight combat sims. I've manly been doing racing sims (Iracing as of lately) for the last 20 years but I've sold all my race sim equipment and now want to fly combat.

 

The question is should I just get in this new release (beta now) or get the original old version since its been a while for me? As of the last week I've been messing around with war thunder buti want more out of a combat sim then that.

 

Thank you

 

Don

 

Welcome to the forums! Personally I think getting Battle of Stalingrad over '46 is a no-brainer. Provided your system can handle it, it is better in every way, bar two. 

 

Those two reasons (the only I ones I can think of) are: 

(i) Diversity. 1946 is the culmination of years of mods and expansions. If you want to fly from Stalingrad to Midway, if you want thousands of skins and hundreds of planes, then go for '46.

(ii) Singleplayer campaign. If you are really into singleplayer, then '46 might be for you. As of now BoS's singeplayer is good, very good, I think, but nowhere near as immersive as the previous IL2 games. Though that is bound to change with the addition of a 3rd party campaign which is rumoured to be developed. 

 

Every other aspect, from flight models to graphics and sound, is much better in BoS. The feeling of flight is wonderful and second-to-none. 

I'd go for it, bearing in mind that this will see years of use by the flightsim community. IL2 1946 is really getting on a bit by now.

Edited October 4, 2014 by 19te.Leaf

[Jaws2002]

Don't get BOS until after release. It's not cheap and you don't know exactly what you'll get at this point.

IL2 -1946 and cliffs of Dover are so cheap this days, you'll get a lot of planes and tons of fun to keep you busy while we see where this one goes.

[Chuck_Owl]

Don't get BOS until after release. It's not cheap and you don't know exactly what you'll get at this point.

IL2 -1946 and cliffs of Dover are so cheap this days, you'll get a lot of planes and tons of fun to keep you busy while we see where this one goes.

 

Bought CloD for 10 bucks. 1946 for 15. Can't recommend both of them enough.

Edited October 4, 2014 by 71st_AH_Chuck

[89-]

This or IL2:CLOD for WW2 dogfight (this has better flight physics, CLOD has better DM), Rise of Flight for WW1 dogfight, DCS for modern air combat. Take a choice, cant go wrong with either of them. Il2:1946 is fantastic but very dated compared to the above.

Edited October 4, 2014 by 89-

[Nil]

Preordered Clod at release, and still can't come up with enough cursewords for it (unmodded) Bought all the earlier IL2's including 194 that I bought both on a DVD, and one for my mate, and later on steam too, since I don't have a DVD-drive that sounds less scary and loud then a Stukas Jericho Trumpet, and therefore now disconnected. The IL2:1946 doesn't really live up to todays GFX-standards, and haven't played in online for a long time.
As for BoS, Yesterday i'd shout Buy Buy it at once! That is if you like unlocking stuff. But still say Buy it! Af it is really nice, and we might be able to convince 'them' to remove the unlocks for MP

[CorsairHundo]

Thanks for all the advice so far. I'm no fan of unlocking that's for sure. As far as 1946 being dated, I guess I won't release as much since I don't have BOS? My system is preet good, built it two years ago so that shouldn't be an issue. The one drawback I see personally for me is the limited theater with BOS, and my favorite theater is the pacific. Steam has both 1946 and COD for $10'each so that's good. I'd prefer MP but until I get my wings under me the SP is alright.

 

Don

[Voidhunger]

if you are single player guy. original IL2 is the best buy. CLOD and BOS ....no way

[dburne]

Cliffs of Dover with the TF Mod, is really very good. Currently my favorite single play sim, by far.

[Y-29.Silky]

Don't get BOS until after release. It's not cheap and you don't know exactly what you'll get at this point.

IL2 -1946 and cliffs of Dover are so cheap this days, you'll get a lot of planes and tons of fun to keep you busy while we see where this one goes.

 

What in the world are you talking about, have you even played it yet? BoS is 90% done; and it was easy to see where it was going when I first puchased it at only 60%. 

 

[Jaws2002]

What in the world are you talking about, have you even played it yet? BoS is 90% done; and it was easy to see where it was going when I first puchased it at only 60%.

 

Frankly, we don't know a lot of things about the release. Are you sure we'll get a full mission builder? Are you sure we'll get to use custom skins? Do you know 100% how are they going to handle the unlocks?

 

I've heard multiple versions from the developers, so wait and see is the best advice I can give to anyone at this point.

[Leaf]

Frankly, we don't know a lot of things about the release. Are you sure we'll get a full mission builder? Are you sure we'll get to use custom skins? Do you know 100% how are they going to handle the unlocks?

 

I've heard multiple versions from the developers, so wait and see is the best advice I can give to anyone at this point.

 

There is definitely going to be an FMB post-release. When, we don't know. 

Custom skins is a maybe. Unlocks...man, god knows.

[GP*]

IL2 1946 looks great with many of the updates made by HSFX if you don't mind modding a bit. It's still a fantastic game, and while it lacks many elements of CEM, the feeling of flight is still great. Our genre shouldn't be all about eye candy.

One additional comment -- realize what you're getting if you buy BOS. I'm a huge fan of this sim, but it's still an unfinished product. Many are raving about the flight model, and while it's good, it feels a bit inconsistent at times. And don't even get me started on taxiing...

If I were you, I'd get 1946 and/or CLOD and enjoy those games as you get back into simming. Continue to follow BOS and buy it when it's either complete or you just can't contain your excitement anymore.

[216th_Peterla]

I will buy BOS with no doubt, just my opinion.

[39bn_pavig]

If you can't be bothered patching get BoS. IL2 is ageing and you'll really notice the difference. CloD doesn't even run out of the box if you have windows 8, and with 7 or below expect to spend hours downloading and applying the TF patches to get it playable (I have logged about 12 hours just getting it installed and running on two machines, and on one of them it still doesnt work properly.) People who love CloD get a great hobby out of it, but I think sometimes forget that they have already invested a huge amount of time and effort over years, learning, tweaking, patching and developing within the community. If you're going the CloD route you'll find lots of help (and formidable instructions on how to get started) at ATAG: http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/

 

BoS is actually good - great even. A new player to combat flight sims will find it has a good balance of hand-holding and hardcore elements. It's also new, so will grow with you as you improve in the game. Despite this it hasn't got a lot of love over the last week from the hardcore sim community, but that'll pass I am sure as the community gets involved in mission making and development continues. The BoS community is still developing, but with Syndicate, Eagles nest and other clans beginning to grow there is a positive future for a sim that isn't even officially released yet. As an entry friendly sim for new flyers which will grow with you, I would recommend BoS unreservedly.

 

Finally, if you want a modern combat sim with a learning curve that will keep you occupied and frustrated for years to come, check out DCS. It is a magnificent beast of a combat sim, but not for the faint of heart. Each premier plane/copter comes with a 500 page manual to read. DCS is probably more like a marriage than a hobby.

[silent_one]

Modded by team fusion CLOD is awsome. much better AI than 1946. It look sliek a new game . Graphically far more beutiful thatn BOS as well. It used to be a ugly duckling. Now its a swan

[-NW-ChiefRedCloud]

Too many varied comments for me to add anything but an opinion, so I'll just say welcome back to Flight Simming.

 

Chief

Edited October 6, 2014 by -NW-ChiefRedCloud

[Trinkof]

Modded by team fusion CLOD is awsome. much better AI than 1946. It look sliek a new game . Graphically far more beutiful thatn BOS as well. It used to be a ugly duckling. Now its a swan

Yes .... But you just forget a i53570k + gtx 690 cannot run it on high without stutter and framerate drop....

[BigDally]

If you really want the Pacific theatre and don't mind dated graphics, 1946 is great especially when you consider all the different planes available to fly!  However, (unlike most) graphical quality and UI are big factors for me in a flight sim, and after having flown different planes/missions in 1946, CLoD, and BOS I find that I much prefer BOS even if the theatre/plane choice is a bit limited at the moment.

 

For $10, 1946 is an easy recommendation to check out first , and if you do find yourself wanting more then I would recommend BOS.

 

Happy hunting.

[DD_Crash]

In some ways I prefer 1946 The cockpits can look not too good but I think with a modded re-textured map its better that Clod. I also like carrier missions so that narrows the choice down to 1.

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

Why not get all of the good ones? Il2-1946 and Il2- Cliffs of Dover (now very well playable with the team fusion mods) are on steam for very few bucks. 10$ or so, I believe. So even if you bought all 3 simulations (1946, Cliffs and BoS), you are not that much over 100.-. Worth it for sure!!

I can't emphasize this enough. Totally worth getting them all.

[dburne]

The more I see and read, the more tempted I am to install 1946 again and start playing it once more.

I am loving TF Cliffs, but would like to see the Pacific again.

 

Anyone running 1946 on Windows 8.1? Any issues running it?

Edited October 6, 2014 by dburnette

[BigDally]

Anyone running 1946 on Windows 8.1? Any issues running it?

 

Runs just fine.

[dburne]

Runs just fine.

 

Great to know, thanks!

[duko]

if you are single player guy. original IL2 is the best buy. CLOD and BOS ....no way

 

Clod has some amazing 3rd party campaigns with content that can keep u busy a long time.

[Voidhunger]

Clod has some amazing 3rd party campaigns with content that can keep u busy a long time.

I dont like scripted campaigns. I dont play them

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

The more I see and read, the more tempted I am to install 1946 again and start playing it once more.

I am loving TF Cliffs, but would like to see the Pacific again.

 

Anyone running 1946 on Windows 8.1? Any issues running it?

I've been playing a lot of N. Africa and Il-2 '56 to give me some kind of fix for early jets.

[Sokol1]

[CorsairHundo]

Not interested in patching, spending hrs just to be able to fly/play

 

 

 

 

If you can't be bothered patching get BoS. IL2 is ageing and you'll really notice the difference. CloD doesn't even run out of the box if you have windows 8, and with 7 or below expect to spend hours downloading and applying the TF patches to get it playable (I have logged about 12 hours just getting it installed and running on two machines, and on one of them it still doesnt work properly.) People who love CloD get a great hobby out of it, but I think sometimes forget that they have already invested a huge amount of time and effort over years, learning, tweaking, patching and developing within the community. If you're going the CloD route you'll find lots of help (and formidable instructions on how to get started) at ATAG: http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/

 

BoS is actually good - great even. A new player to combat flight sims will find it has a good balance of hand-holding and hardcore elements. It's also new, so will grow with you as you improve in the game. Despite this it hasn't got a lot of love over the last week from the hardcore sim community, but that'll pass I am sure as the community gets involved in mission making and development continues. The BoS community is still developing, but with Syndicate, Eagles nest and other clans beginning to grow there is a positive future for a sim that isn't even officially released yet. As an entry friendly sim for new flyers which will grow with you, I would recommend BoS unreservedly.

 

Finally, if you want a modern combat sim with a learning curve that will keep you occupied and frustrated for years to come, check out DCS. It is a magnificent beast of a combat sim, but not for the faint of heart. Each premier plane/copter comes with a 500 page manual to read. DCS is probably more like a marriage than a hobby.

[CorsairHundo]

Nice

 

 

 

 

 

[CorsairHundo]

Well, it's been good to hear everyone's opinion, that's what I wanted to hear. I don't mind spending time learning a game, investing in it for the long haul. With that being staid, I dont want to spend hours on an old sim either, butttttt I really wanted to have more variety in the theaters and planes. As far as mods, I'm not a huge fan of those from other games and most recently Arma III where it's a pita as it never fails the game will lock or freeze or other issues!

 

So anyway I think I've just confused myself more but im probably leaning towards BOS now?

[Static]

Fighter Squadron- The Screamin' Demons Over Europe.

[Bearcat]

Why not get all of the good ones? Il2-1946 and Il2- Cliffs of Dover (now very well playable with the team fusion mods) are on steam for very few bucks. 10$ or so, I believe. So even if you bought all 3 simulations (1946, Cliffs and BoS), you are not that much over 100.-. Worth it for sure!!

 

 

What he said.. Get all 3.

 

IL2 46 may be dated.. but as dated as it is it is still a nice piece of kit with a lot of fun to be had in it.. IMO it is still the best WWII aerial combat sim made to date pound for pound and I don't think we will ever see it's like again.

[dburne]

What he said.. Get all 3.

 

IL2 46 may be dated.. but as dated as it is it is still a nice piece of kit with a lot of fun to be had in it.. IMO it is still the best WWII aerial combat sim made to date pound for pound and I don't think we will ever see it's like again.

 

Indeed, now I just gotta dig through some boxes/drawers/closets, and find my copy of 46. Really looking forward to having a go at it again after all this time, and the latest mods for it.

 

I am going to be spending a lot of time in the coming weeks between TF Cliffs of Dover, and Il-2 1946.

[CIA_Yankee_]

I'd get CloD and BoS.

 

CloD was a complete disaster on release, but look up Team Fusion on ATAG for their massive, massive patches that pretty much fix the sim. The end result is a great sim that covers the channel area and the early years of WWII.

 

Then get BoS, and you'll get a rock solid eastern front sim that covers the Battle of Stalingrad period, and probably more (the design clearly implies that they will have more theatres of war, or at least more campaigns). Right now BoS' strength is its excellent modeling (flight and damage), along with its stability (compared to CloD on release, BoS is stunningly stable *grin*), and of course in time it will improve as the devs finish the release and work on post-release content, and user-generated content and mods starts popping up.

 

One thing you shouldn't do is buy into the attitude some people have right now, that there's some sort of competition between CloD and BoS. Both sims offer different experiences, and there's no reason you can't enjoy both.

 

I know I do.

[Vaxxtx]

I suggest all 3 in this order.....

 

If you dont get IL2 1946 (for cheap as well) you will be missing out on a LOT.

 

The community is still very active and there are tons of different ways to play it, as well as every single plane and theatre. Pretty much the biggest WWII sandbox game ever made. Be warned the mods are vast, and can be confusing as to what you want, but sas1946.com has made it mostly headache free.

 

I suggest IL21946 with the latest patch and HSFX7. Its small but packs a punch. Then DL what campaigns you want. The graphics are not horrible, and with some mods they can look quite nice. The DM with some mods are spot on as well. My secret evil pleasure is a gore mod that actually puts blood spatters on the cockpit canopy glass when a pilot gets shot....evil I know, but amazing.

 

After that pick up CLoD (again for cheap) and get the Team Fusion packs. It comes with a random mission generator similar to Pat Wilsons for RoF. Then grab Heinkills Redux campaigns. I am not a scritped campaign fan, but holy hell they are awesome. The prettiness of the planes, damage model, and map will have you in awe. The cockpits are the best I have ever seen.

 

After you have that, see how BoS does on release and where its going. If it looks postive grab it. If not, you will be busy anyway.

 

If you want to try your hand a more in depth sim grab DCS World (free), and pick the planes you want to buy for it. Be ready to really study, its a study sim with awesome details and some great campaigns. Modern to WWII era. Just remember the WWII area is not going to be finished soon.

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

What he said.. Get all 3.

 

IL2 46 may be dated.. but as dated as it is it is still a nice piece of kit with a lot of fun to be had in it.. IMO it is still the best WWII aerial combat sim made to date pound for pound and I don't think we will ever see it's like again.

It's a steal at $10 US, really. We pass it out like refreshments in my sim group.