GamesCom

[HagarTheHorrible]

Can't wait for reports to start coming back from Gamescon. Should be fun.

Good grief I hate predictive text, the title should have read "Gamescom".

[FlatSpinMan]

Fixed that for ya. It was with an 'm', yeah?

[Sim]

Any news from Gamescom yet? I thought they were supposed to show BoS with native Rift support?

[LuftManu]

Looks like they had tested HD Rift

 

[HagarTheHorrible]

Fixed that for ya. It was with an 'm', yeah?

 

Thanks for that, I was at work when I wrote that and my phone wasn't giving me edit options.

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

Is nobody home yet?? hurry up.

 

thinking about it, going to check the German forum...

 

 

Nope, nothing i could see in there.

Edited August 21, 2013 by Furbs

[Freycinet]

First report by "Bismarck" in the German forum on this site: Nothing new on show compared to the livestream last week. He tried out the sim with the developer version of the Oculus Rift (i.e. the 720p rez version). His reaction: Crazy! Mindblowing! ... And he promises a more in-depth report for tomorrow... :-)

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Can't wait for that review 

[LuftManu]

That looks promising!

[Freycinet]

Posting by Bismarck (in German here: http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/1098-gamescom-2013-berichte/

 

I put it thru Google Transalate and fixed a few mistranslations that changed the content, but otherwise left it in auto-translate-English...

 

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Hi there,

I think that it is perhaps useful to open a separate thread, so that the impressions of the various visitors and collected targeted questions can be asked.

I have indulged me and my son a wildcard in the hope that it will go quiet.

In fact, it was very enjoyable, even if it was of course still long queues in front of the big AAA titles.

So from me a clear recommendation.

Unfortunately, there was no freely accessible venue for BoS. But after I was on Aerosoft as the neighboring DJ half deaf, I found it not so bad to sit in the dignified business area. :-)

Since the audience in the gaming scene is indeed older, I would not mind quieter halls for example Sim fans, or even better with BoS to the flightsim conference http://www.fskonferenz.de/ (waves magic wand)

At 14:00 I had the appointment with Jason. Unfortunately, the controlling women not succumbed to my charm, which is why it took ne smooth hour until I came clean. Jason came to pick me up several times. Finally, I gave to him my phone number via PM, after which he called me directly. With a Russian phone number! I'm looking forward to the bill. ;-)

Despite the large delay, Jason and Albert still took time for us.

The first thing I was able to test was the snow area from the live stream with the LaGG-3 and the Bf 109

Here Albert showed me a few niceties about the automatically extending the slats of the Me at <180km / h on the wings.

The look was on full HD monitor of course much better than the stream last week. It looks really great.

As an example, we suddenly flew into the clouds and visibility was at zero, I got just a little panic and looked directly the artificial Horizon. :-D

I then still admired the chic exterior model, played around with the landing gear, etc. Albert assured me this is that it runs well on a medium-good PC. Well, people know the RoF, the hardware requirements are known. Specifies probably 10% higher demand due to new effects on it.

Then we went into the little office, where a Occulus Rift Dev kit waiting for me.

I flew the same scenario, but with Albert actually flew and I could look around here in peace.

It was not the full HD version, even if it was playable at the show with iRacing and Hawken.

What can I say, simply crazy. What was new was the 3D effect that you obviously can not see the videos on the net. You really feel the plane. Breathtaking. Ask the two, I have not talked much during the flight. ;-)

What little I missed, was the movement of the Z-axis from the track IR, ie zoom in on the instruments. I've been on utube and there I have seen combinations of Track IR and OR seen.

The resolution is definitely too small. You can see each pixel, planes is nearly impossible to make out in the distance. Definitely wait for the HD version!

OR incidentally worked impeccably with BoS. I'm sure if there is OR to buy, it will also be available in BoS.

I enjoyed the flight. Albert flew with me against the sun, we broke through clouds and trundled along to the end against the floor. I only missed that Jason would have held my hand. :-D

Thanks again to the guys, and even if I'm not too interested in Gamescom I got an invitation for next year.  :-)

Finally, I had some time for questions, but I was too busy processing my impressions.

Only so much, it came out that the guys really concentrate fully on the base. They make no promises about things that are not 100% sure, which I welcome. The basic structure is essentially due to the established RoF graphics engine, which of course has experienced improvements since then. You almost just need to place the WW2 scenario in the engine.

If everything works, both said there wou7ld be future scenario addons. I think in particular the Pacific would be interesting to win the big U.S. market.

Because let's face it, without money nothing works. I do not know if there are among you haters and Steam DLC avoiders but look at you once this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOvher5E7Io. In an interview, an X-Rebirth developer Egosoft, who clearly says that there they would not exist without Steam and that they have over hand with each addon to the next, so every addon has financed the next.

I do not see BoS as an end in itself but as the foundation on which much can grow and then hopefully. Various scenarios, exciting SP, MP and co-op missions and so on.

Also, my son liked it. But currently, he earned his wings just in War Thunder. For his birthday in October he has ordered premium BoS. I think that says more than all my scribblings.

 

So, believe that arrived for the beginning. If questions ...

Now I am also curious to see what other visitors are writing.

 

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Edited August 22, 2013 by Freycinet

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

Cheers frey! yet to hear a bad word about BOS from people who have seen it in the flesh.

 

OR sounds great!

[Avatar13]

Things are definitely starting to shape up!

[Freycinet]

Frankyboy adds, about the armament options: "die Gunpods der Bf109F-4 sind 15mm MG151 und die Il2 gibts mit 37mm gondeln, allerding frühen Sh-37"

 

So, the F-4 can have 15mm MG151 gunpods, and the Il-2 can have 37mm cannon pods.

[BFsSmurfy]

I saw it today and you have to remember that this is an early version and the weapon options may get changed, to put it simply the sim is superb with rift it is stunning preorder in good faith its worth every cent.

[Freycinet]

Preordered long ago Smurfy... :-)

 

Tell us more!

[LukeFF]

Frankyboy adds, about the armament options: "die Gunpods der Bf109F-4 sind 15mm MG151 und die Il2 gibts mit 37mm gondeln, allerding frühen Sh-37"

 

So, the F-4 can have 15mm MG151 gunpods, and the Il-2 can have 37mm cannon pods.

 

That's a typo. The gunpods on the F-4 are 20mm. 

[JtD]

Since when?

[Freycinet]

It does indeed seem that from the F-4 it was the upgraded MG151/20 that was used. Also for the gunpods, I imagine?

[Freycinet]

....However, this just in from the German-language forum: it IS 15mm, and they're saying that was the type of gunpods present at Stalingrad, from what I understand...

[BFsSmurfy]

Freycinet tell me what you'd like to know and I'll try and answer, a dutch fella called dusty took loads of images and a German fella called Frank were in with me I'm sure one of us will have the answer. The biggest thing I learnt today is that Albert and Jason are full on working hard to make this sim as good as humanly possible, people have to take account that if they tried to do everything for everyone nothing would get done and they'd go bust. So what you are buying is top quality and more will follow if it gets the support it needs from the community.

[HagarTheHorrible]

Why can't these Germans speak blimin English.

 

I ask you "What was the point of fighting, and might I add winning , not one, but two World Wars ?"

 

They might at least come over and fraternise, hell I might even offer them a cup of tea.

[Freycinet]

From "Frankyboy" on the DE forum (via Google translate plus some manual proofreading):

 

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If you see the version shown 777 still has some work to do ..... I really hope the premium buyers are aware that it is an early beta they have acquired during their release ....

 -The new GUI is still a work in progress

-How exactly the Yak will look could not now say exactly Loft

- As first-bombers now comes the Pe2

 -At the AI ​​is tweaked heavily compared to RoF, a) to make it better, b) to the PC to save resouces especially with ground units - so more is going to the missions.

 -The artillery gets realistic ranges (IIRC this is also so in RoF)
 -I asked Jason about detonator switches (one can do with CoD and now also in IL2'46 much). It lead to a question mark on his face .......... then have spoken briefly about the detonator switch of the 109. Loft was there not there. So let's see what comes

 - With loft addressed the operation of Bomb sights. Still done nothing, but we both like the GUI of RoF was very sympathetic ;-) So at least here, then, might come that will be the bomb visor to use the mouse

 - LaGG3 gets M105PF engine, otherwise they would have no chance at all ..... 20mm, 23mm or 37mm cannon for election

 -low altitude flight above the snow, icy landscape with the sun is low is fantastic reflections, one can estimate his height very well
 -Oh yes, all the trees have collision model: D

 - It is, at least at the moment, be no real-time damage model. But prefabricated optical damage models. Question of time and computer resources
 - Strapping in is fixed (thx god!)  [huh? - Freycinet]
- Jason has defended the system which the weapon options earn only in the single player campaign. So that the players get more into the game. You can earn not only the weapons but also the mission type belonging to it, ie fighter-bomber missions come only when one has earned the bomb load.

 But if it leads to too many problems in multiplayer Jason is quite willing then to go again in himself and to find a solution whatsoever

 - The campaign is like RoF on their Masterserver, so you have to be online here
 - Skins are treated like RoF

 - The 15mm Gunpods the F-4, I've just checked times, was also il2'46 so: D

 - IL2 is the base of the cannon 20mm, the 23mm one has to earn

 - LaGG and IL 2 feel heavy, so a good feeling
 - Loft described with enthusiasm how different LaGG and the 109 are to be brought out of the spins :-D he truly lives the subject Flightsim
 - The Ocullus where I was so ill, that I was still rather uncomfortably hot for me

 - Jason would like a Ju52 (as a target) in the scenario so ...... All is perhaps not lost

- open-cockpit gives speed loss
- As in RoF can fire flares
 - even Without this Occulus have the cockpits a beautifully designed 'plasticity'

 

that was it in shorthand, maybe I find more to say.

 

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Freycinet tell me what you'd like to know and I'll try and answer, a dutch fella called dusty took loads of images and a German fella called Frank were in with me I'm sure one of us will have the answer. The biggest thing I learnt today is that Albert and Jason are full on working hard to make this sim as good as humanly possible, people have to take account that if they tried to do everything for everyone nothing would get done and they'd go bust. So what you are buying is top quality and more will follow if it gets the support it needs from the community.

 

How did the GUI look, just a RoF port? 

 

Did you try to shoot cannons? - How were the smoke trails?

Edited August 22, 2013 by Freycinet

[BFsSmurfy]

The gui looked.good to me , the plane was on the screen in an isometric view which could be otientated the loadoutd were listed off to the right as were the other options fuel bomb delay etc, as you selected the loadout the isometric added the option selected to the plane so the gunpods appeared, bombs etc.The IL2 started as a std IL2 with no loadout, when the gunner option was selected it came up on the screen so that the image changed to show the cut away and the gun and mount was depicted, it was excellent. The bomb fusing in the 109 was.cleared up by Albert after Frank left, it is operational and is modelled.

Yeh I shot all the guns and the smoke is depicted can't remember if it was a curly trail though sry.

Edited August 22, 2013 by BFsSmurfy

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

Cheers Frey, anyone know any more detail on this?

 

"It is, at least at the moment, be no real-time damage model. But prefabricated optical damage models. Question of time and computer resources"

 

Unsure on what that means.

[Freycinet]

I guess it means that bullet holes don't appear exactly where the rounds hit. So, no individual decals, but rather a general texture change of the area that has been hit. That's how it is done in CoD as well. And it is important to remember that the visual depiction of damage has nothing to do with the dynamic modelling of damage to the plane and its systems (except for presumably some correlation).

 

Thanks Smurfy!

Edited August 22, 2013 by Freycinet

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

That's what i was thinking Frey, perfectly fine with me.

[III/JG53Frankyboy]

Why can't these Germans speak blimin English.I ask you "What was the point of fighting, and might I add winning , not one, but two World Wars ?"They might at least come over and fraternise, hell I might even offer them a cup of tea.

Darjeeling First Flush please.

I am around in english forums since a long time mate

Edited August 22, 2013 by Frankyboy

[BFsSmurfy]

Yeh Freycinet u are correct about the damage image its still the same with crashing a plane that has received no hits, it still had shell holes etc. Albert was as pissed off about that as others are but he said that it would take far too much time and resource to model every single damage image, that it just isn't feasible. If I remember correctly each plane already takes 3 months to construct. They answered all the questions we posed, can't say fairer than that.

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Sounds good so far would love to see some pictures or video but it is nearly friday anyway

[Freycinet]

Don't think we can expect a Friday update with the developers attending Gamescon.

[III/JG53Frankyboy]

pictures/videos would be the same as from the carrier event in the states or the livestream. and i was not able to make video from the 3 D effect the occulus gave, i just can repeat, it was sensationel even i got sick very fast and didnt like the heat of it.

[crossfade]

I think we will get an update what is in it nobody knows? the team have not let us down so far.

is the heat on your eyes or elsewhere?.

[TRIAS]

Zak mentioned on russian forum that tomorrow will be an update, so no worries chaps.

[SCG_Neun]

This sounds very promising......Thanks for the translation.

[LukeFF]

....However, this just in from the German-language forum: it IS 15mm, and they're saying that was the type of gunpods present at Stalingrad, from what I understand...

 

That doesn't sound right at all and nothing like I've read in Bergstrom's books on Stalingrad. Looks like I need to dig back into this when I get the chance.

[Feuerfalke]

That doesn't sound right at all and nothing like I've read in Bergstrom's books on Stalingrad. Looks like I need to dig back into this when I get the chance.

 

Makes perfect sense to me.

 

German Fighters were mostly used for ground-attacks on the eastern front and the MG151/15 had a better penetration than the 20 mm version.

Also the 15 mm had a much higher muzzle-velocity and better aim. Both come in handy against smaller aircraft.

 

The only reason the MG151/15 was changed to the MG151/20 was the use of larger explosive shells to destroy large bombers more quickly.

But heavy bombers were no argument in the Battle of Stalingrad, since Russia relied on attack-aircraft like the IL2 as well.

 

(That's one reason why dogfights on the eastern front usually happened on low to medium altitudes.)

 

 

On a sidenote: I wouldn't take Bergstrom's books on Stalingrad as a historical accurate reference. That's not what it's written to be.

Edited August 23, 2013 by Feuerfalke

[HagarTheHorrible]

Darjeeling First Flush please.

I am around in english forums since a long time mate

 

Good grief, I thought all you forgein johnnies only drank Liptons (yuk). 

 

I'll tell you now though, you aren't going to entice me with your fancy namby pamby, little finger in the air, ways.

 

[Feuerfalke]

Good grief, I thought all you forgein johnnies only drank Liptons (yuk). 

 

I'll tell you now though, you aren't going to entice me with your fancy namby pamby, little finger in the air, ways.

 

 

And what about a comparison how many German members post in the English forum and how many English post in the German?

 

Please bring some scottish shortbread - ran out of supplies here.

Edited August 23, 2013 by Feuerfalke

[HagarTheHorrible]

And what about a comparison how many German members post in the English forum and how many English post in the German?

 

Please bring some scottish shortbread - ran out of supplies here.

 

 

Don't think I'm falling for that old ploy. 

 

My Great Grandfather and Grandfather tried going and your lot just chucked things at them (probably empty biscuit tins).

[Feuerfalke]

Wow, what a pitty argument to blame me for something you only know from history channel...