Markings

[StG2_zulu354]

Hi folks.

I wanna ask, if it would be possible to get own markings on the aircraft? I don't mean swastikas, iron crosses ir red stars. I thought about the numbers on the side for the squadron etc.

[LukeFF]

Not for this release.

[Finkeren]

Nope. A decal system appaerently is not compatible with the sim engine.

[StG2_zulu354]

Too bad. But I will survive it...at least somehow. ;-)

[Brano]

Nope. A decal system appaerently is not compatible with the sim engine.

I would say "It has not been written into engine code yet".But IMO should be on devs to-do list in top 10.

[Finkeren]

I would say "It has not been written into engine code yet".But IMO should be on devs to-do list in top 10.

No question, but honestly, if it was easy to do, I think they would've done it a long time ago. The demand was there back in the RoF-days.

[Brano]

I still hope,that some day....someone...somewhere....something....

[StG2_zulu354]

@finkeren

I had never played RoF, but reading your post, it seems that RoF didn't had squadrom markings neighter, am I right?

[=AVG=Zombie]

You have to make a skin with the numbers on it....

[StG2_zulu354]

Ok. Too bad. I liked the way it worked in 1946 and CloD. But still - fingers crossed.

[Finkeren]

I think a large majority of the community would like a decal system of some sort, and I think the devs are well aware of it.

 

As you say: Fingers crossed.

[A-E-Hartmann]

 

yes me too

[senseispcc]

Personally I think that personalizing own aircraft is a must! 

[FuriousMeow]

No question, but honestly, if it was easy to do, I think they would've done it a long time ago. The demand was there back in the RoF-days.

 

Not exactly. They could do it, but just about every squadron in WWI had different number schemes, styles, locations and letters vs numbers. Doesn't work as a global setting for WWI.

 

Doesn't work for a global setting in WWII either, as we found out with the Il-2 system. It was sub-par for historical accuracy. It worked, but it was very generic. Il-2 MAT ended up changing that, but each launch of the game had to be a new Il-2MAT run so you were either 1942 LW, or 1943LW or 1943LW winter with squad that had letters instead of numbers, or that the numbers of the Il-2 squad you're in should be on the tail, etc.

 

In order to pass it off to the satisfaction of the accuracy crowd - which will make a lot of noise, a lot of research needs to be done for every squadron. Also a lot of graphics, and a lot of coding for the varying placements of the varying decals in varying locations on the various planes. There isn't a standard easy template to build, it's very difficult and very time consuming to fill all historical placements.

 

Now, you may not care - but some do, and they will make a whole hell of a lot more noise.

Edited September 22, 2014 by FuriousMeow

[Pharoah]

just on that - will the devs be completing the swastikas on luftwaffe a/c? I understand this is banned in germany, etc, however for the rest of the world?

Edited September 23, 2014 by TOGPharoah

[FlatSpinMan]

Swastikas are not happening.

[Finkeren]

Not exactly. They could do it, but just about every squadron in WWI had different number schemes, styles, locations and letters vs numbers. Doesn't work as a global setting for WWI.

 

Doesn't work for a global setting in WWII either, as we found out with the Il-2 system. It was sub-par for historical accuracy. It worked, but it was very generic. Il-2 MAT ended up changing that, but each launch of the game had to be a new Il-2MAT run so you were either 1942 LW, or 1943LW or 1943LW winter with squad that had letters instead of numbers, or that the numbers of the Il-2 squad you're in should be on the tail, etc.

 

In order to pass it off to the satisfaction of the accuracy crowd - which will make a lot of noise, a lot of research needs to be done for every squadron. Also a lot of graphics, and a lot of coding for the varying placements of the varying decals in varying locations on the various planes. There isn't a standard easy template to build, it's very difficult and very time consuming to fill all historical placements.

 

Now, you may not care - but some do, and they will make a whole hell of a lot more noise.

You would think that having just 10 skins for each plane, some generic with hardly any markings - some historic skins with no connection between them, would please the accuracy crowd even less.

 

If it's really not that hard to implement, then I think the devs should get to work on a basic decal system right after launch, and then crowdsource the more detailed version. Let the accuracy people do the hard work like they did with IL-2MAT. After all, handling markings for BoS will be fairly simple, as we'll only need "late '42 - early '43"-standards, and AFAIK no significant changes occured in either LW nor VVS markings during that period.

[senseispcc]

You all seem to forget that in the original IL2 the all skin was loaded not only a number or letter, symbol. It worked perfectly because the skins where easy to produce even for an not so great artist or "Skinner" but with the evolution of the planes in  game more détails are added and also theresolution of your screens are not the same than twenty years ago. At the origins "Paint" from Windows and you could create a skin now you need "Paintshoppro cs6" it is not the same thing to master. A skin now is 10 time more difficult to design so there are less of us how can do it and not only because we do not have the software to do it?!    

 

[LukeFF]

You all seem to forget that in the original IL2 the all skin was loaded not only a number or letter, symbol. It worked perfectly because the skins where easy to produce even for an not so great artist or "Skinner" but with the evolution of the planes in  game more détails are added and also theresolution of your screens are not the same than twenty years ago. At the origins "Paint" from Windows and you could create a skin now you need "Paintshoppro cs6" it is not the same thing to master. A skin now is 10 time more difficult to design so there are less of us how can do it and not only because we do not have the software to do it?!    

 

And what does that have to do with creating markings?

 

As for the software - Gimp. It's free and lots of people use it.

[A-E-Hartmann]

And what does that have to do with creating markings?

 

As for the software - Gimp. It's free and lots of people use it.

 

Yes, I make my skins for CoD with gimp. It is very useful.

[SvAF/F19_Klunk]

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/2029-personal-id-planes/?do=findComment&comment=48705

 

important stuff.. but then again.... time schedule is tight.

[SR-F_Winger]

The ROF system with skinapproval would be the best thing for the community. Not allowing customskins in ranked MP servers is a big mistake imho.

I hope they reconsider.

What was the current official statement on how customskins will be handeled? If i remember right it was "custom skins only in "mods on" servers" right?

Please correct me (hope i am wrong:)).

 

EDIT: oh and on the matter of swastikas - i can live without them as well. The ROF system would make this impossible since swastikaskins would just not be approved.

Edited September 24, 2014 by VSG1_Winger

[Zak]

The ROF system with skinapproval would be the best thing for the community. Not allowing customskins in ranked MP servers is a big mistake imho.

I hope they reconsider.

Winger, we have tons of skins, and I bet there will be even more. Do you think we'll let them be forgotten somewhere on a dusty harddrive? Of course not. But first things first.

 

What about hammer and sickle sign. Is it banned as well? If not, why?

No idea. Haven't seen them on our skins yet though.

Anyway please no political discussion on the forum.

[StG2_zulu354]

No idea. Haven't seen them on our skins yet though.

Anyway please no political discussion on the forum.

 

Hi Zak.

 

This thread was never mentioned about Hammer/Sickle/Swastika. The kind you deal with it right know is fine in my opinion. But really would like to have an confirmation or dementi about side decals, such as the numbers or squadmarkings (T6-ZK for example - my tactical sign in my squad, hehe). If it won't make it on EA or even first official release, it still would be fine for me, if it comes sooner or later with a patch (may day one patch :D). However, an official statement with a confirmation or dementi would be lovely. However, I am excited to see your skins. Keep on working. Thumbs up. =)

Edited September 24, 2014 by StG2_zulu354

[Pharoah]

Swastikas are not happening.

 

ok fair enough. I remember this caused quite a lot of angst back in the IL2 1946 days so I'm happy not to poke the bear on this.  For '46, there was a patch or so to implement them if we so chose. I'm assuming if we get personal skins (ie. user made) we could upload/use those if they had swastikas on them, or would this be forbidden? (Just so I know)

 

For the record I'm NOT promoting anything...just that I like things to be authentic ingame but WITHOUT any political implications, if that makes sense.

[SCG_Neun]

Winger, we have tons of skins, and I bet there will be even more. Do you think we'll let them be forgotten somewhere on a dusty harddrive? Of course not. But first things first.

 

 

Hmmm, a skinpak could be the gift that Jason made reference to in another post....I mean this would make sense if you consider the above comment....

Edited September 25, 2014 by JagdNeun

[A-E-Hartmann]

Hmmm, a skinpak could be the gift that Jason made reference to in another post....I mean this would make sense if you consider the above comment....

 

It would be great .

[StG2_zulu354]

ok fair enough. I remember this caused quite a lot of angst back in the IL2 1946 days so I'm happy not to poke the bear on this.  For '46, there was a patch or so to implement them if we so chose. I'm assuming if we get personal skins (ie. user made) we could upload/use those if they had swastikas on them, or would this be forbidden? (Just so I know)

 

For the record I'm NOT promoting anything...just that I like things to be authentic ingame but WITHOUT any political implications, if that makes sense.

Again: I did NOT open this thread to discuss ANY political symbols. As it is treated now in the game, it is okay and so far I know, it' forbidden nowadays to show symbols of the nationalsocialist in Russia and other countries. With the for bars on the rudder the devs are as close as necessary on authentic illustration. Basta and and of discussion and the endless lame whining "I want a Swastika in the game, but I am no Nazi." It's just annoying and I don't think we have to discuss this on an adult level!

[ST_ami7b5]

Maybe 8 slashes  and two hyphens for the 'other side'  would do too.

Just joking ofc.

All this 'political correctness' in flight sims, while you can see all those symbols in books, movies, pics, is just silly IMHO.

Flight simmers are the least dangerous people with their mice and joysticks.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Agree on squadrom markings. It can be a real pain to identify your squadmates in the air if they're not using different skins. I can't see how the current limitation work out with bigger squadroms and formation flying in future.

At least some numbers on the fuselage and certain markings such as the Stab makbg (for squad leader) would be great to have on long term. Staffel emblem are nice to have but take far more time, thus I could live with "basic" markings only.

[Brano]

Well,as for me it makes more sense to have possibility of unique numbering of the planes just for the sake of realism and effective communication.As in old sturmn,you could easilly access list of pilots and see who is flying where in which machine with which nr/code.It is by far more convenient to shout into radio "This is yellow 7,attacking now" or "red 3,watch your six" then trying to pronounce your weird nicknames

[=69.GIAP=Shvak]

All they really have to do is create the average squadron size number of identical skins, marked 1 to 12 or whatever the nations marking designation would be.

As you select your squadron skin you can select you the skin with your chosen plane number.  Of course the hard part would be to add some code to prevent someone else using your chosen skin number in on a multiplayer map and you are away...

[1./KG4_Blackwolf]

Hmmm, a skinpak could be the gift that Jason made reference to in another post....I mean this would make sense if you consider the above comment....

Hey JagdNeun... no peeking in the closet for Christmas gifts!   

 

I would like a way to add a number to any skin like good old '46. But even a ROF way of making a skin with a number on it and voting it in would work too.

[Mainstay]

Swastikas are not happening.

 

Well thats a big letdown ! Historical correct markings not allowed in some countries doesnt mean i have to undergo censorship!

 

First of all you can make an option where you could enable or disable the Swastika ingame. Second i think german planes without the swastika look really stupid.

 

Remember people never give in to censorship !

 

[Finkeren]

Well thats a big letdown ! Historical correct markings not allowed in some countries doesnt mean i have to undergo censorship!

 

First of all you can make an option where you could enable or disable the Swastika ingame. Second i think german planes without the swastika look really stupid.

 

Remember people never give in to censorship !

 

Still not gonna happen, sorry.

 

I think the current solution in BoS is the best we're gonna get. It's certainly better than the other solutions that's been presented over the years.

 

Yes, censorship of historical recreations is stupid, but it is what it is, and there's no way the devs are going to jeopadize their sales in certain countries to placate us purists.

[FlatSpinMan]

 

Remember people never give in to censorship!

Wow. You're dramatic.

[BP_dFrog]

Still not gonna happen, sorry.

 

I think the current solution in BoS is the best we're gonna get. It's certainly better than the other solutions that's been presented over the years.

 

Yes, censorship of historical recreations is stupid, but it is what it is, and there's no way the devs are going to jeopadize their sales in certain countries to placate us purists.

What sales ? In the age of digital copies downloadable from server ? How can "certain countries" affect my purchase on Steam ? I think this argument is just an excuse, silly excuse.

[senseispcc]

And what does that have to do with creating markings?

 

As for the software - Gimp. It's free and lots of people use it.

I am certain that gimp could create a skin in DDS?!

[senseispcc]

Well thats a big letdown ! Historical correct markings not allowed in some countries doesnt mean i have to undergo censorship!

 

First of all you can make an option where you could enable or disable the Swastika ingame. Second i think german planes without the swastika look really stupid.

 

Remember people never give in to censorship !

 

It is more a question of the legacy of the Nazis in some countries than a question of liberty, kill a lot of people and you shall be hated like the Jews where for the crucifixion of Christ (one guy) during 2000 years and are still for some peoples!

 

So if it is there law and it is or was in the UK, Finland, Germany, etc... Why try to change it now because some games want it?!  And a lot of money if you do not sell them in these countries.  So it is more a question of big bucks than censorship.

[senseispcc]

Yes, I make my skins for CoD with gimp. It is very useful.

In COD the skins are not DDS I made some myself.

In the original IL2 the markings if I remember correctly did never work correctly so there where complete squadrons of planes one skin for each  plane!  

 

And in COD it is still the same.

Edited October 12, 2014 by senseispcc