109 G4 Red 7 had another hurtful ditch

[II./JG27_Rich]

Actually this looks not bad at all. A few weeks in the shop and she'll be good as new. When the camera zooms in on the 109 it's like we've gone back in time for a second and we're in Russia in 1942. I think the pilot here is Klaus Plasa. He's excellent.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECpOWChp_OM

[II./JG27_Rich]

Wow..Just found this. He was low when she started to sputter and in a turn!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTs7G9teJ-M

[71st_AH_Hooves]

That sux man. Glad the pilot is safe.

[DB605]

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/1051-just-came-back-roskilde-airshow-listening-db605-sing/

[saf]

Yes you are correct.  The engine started to cut out and the pilot did a belly landing as he didn`t want to damage the plane by extending the landing gear.  Smart pilot.

Edited August 20, 2013 by saf

[Zoring]

Is the propeller made of wood on that 109? That's peculiar.

[II./JG27_Rich]

It looks to be in very good shape

[TheBlackPenguin]

Is the propeller made of wood on that 109? That's peculiar.

 

Not sure if it was in war time, however in this case the propellers shattering saved the engine from further damage, which would be far more expensive than replacing blades.

[DB605]

Not sure if it was in war time, however in this case the propellers shattering saved the engine from further damage, which would be far more expensive than replacing blades.

 

In wartime they were made from alloy as already discussed in other topic, many of restored planes use composite props like red 4.

[AA_Engadin]

It you watch the 2nd video, from the moment the engine starts caughing to the moment the plane rolls towards the corn field, I tooks just 7 seconds to the pilot to decide where to crash-land!

That says all in favour of pilot's airmanshift.

 

AA_Engadin

[Capt_Stubing]

hard to say were the airfield was but I bet he knew he couldn't make it so he chose the field.  Bummer for sure.  They can always re-skin damage on the bottom.  Too bad they are going to have to do a full tear down of that motor and inspect everything to make sure there isn't anything bent.  This is not a cheap problem but it looks like the airframe is in great shape. 

[BlitzPig_EL]

Not sure if it was in war time, however in this case the propellers shattering saved the engine from further damage, which would be far more expensive than replacing blades.

 

I'm betting the prop gear box and pitch control mechanism are not very happy.

Edited August 20, 2013 by ElAurens

[II./JG27_Rich]

It you watch the 2nd video, from the moment the engine starts caughing to the moment the plane rolls towards the corn field, I tooks just 7 seconds to the pilot to decide where to crash-land!

That says all in favour of pilot's airmanshift.

 

AA_Engadin

Pilot is Klaus Plasa.

Edited August 20, 2013 by Richie

[AA_Engadin]

Pilot is Klaus Plasa.

God bless him! 

 

AA_Engadin

[II./JG27_Rich]

The same pilot testing a Fw 190. Funny conversation at the end with the owner. 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hads_XMrKhw

[II./JG27_Rich]

God bless him! 

 

AA_Engadin

I would love to sit down and have a talk with him about flying that 109 

[DB605]

I would love to sit down and have a talk with him about flying that 109 

 

"Aviation Classics" (issue 18) have Klaus Plasa interview about of flying the red 7, it's pretty good reading.

[II./JG27_Rich]

"Aviation Classics" (issue 18) have Klaus Plasa interview about of flying the red 7, it's pretty good reading.

Excellent. Here's what he looked like right after the ditch. He doesn't look very rattled does he.

[MACADEMIC]

"Aviation Classics" (issue 18) have Klaus Plasa interview about of flying the red 7, it's pretty good reading.

 

Thanks for the hint, got it (on iPad)! 

 

 

MAC

[II./JG27_Rich]

Since everything looks quite minor I'm very interested to hear what happened. It sounded like a fuel problem to me, injector pump or did someone really mess up and forget to fuel her up? Now now the sound techs know what a Daimler Benz sounds like when it runs out of fuel

Edited August 23, 2013 by Richie

[Rjel]

Like everyone here, I love watching old warbirds fly. It's bad enough when a Mustang goes down, as they are somewhat numerous compared to other WWII machines like this 109. But I wish there were more replicas like the Me-262 flying as opposed to very limited numbers of 70 year old aircraft we have now. I know the expense of reproduction is likely prohibitive, but the day will come when these machine cease to exist. I can only guess how many vintage aircraft have went down since I started reading Air Classics magazine in the mid 1970s. It's in the dozens to be sure. If reproductions could be made of the quality of the Me-262, these machines could be around for decades to come.

[II./JG27_Rich]

Like everyone here, I love watching old warbirds fly. It's bad enough when a Mustang goes down, as they are somewhat numerous compared to other WWII machines like this 109. But I wish there were more replicas like the Me-262 flying as opposed to very limited numbers of 70 year old aircraft we have now. I know the expense of reproduction is likely prohibitive, but the day will come when these machine cease to exist. I can only guess how many vintage aircraft have went down since I started reading Air Classics magazine in the mid 1970s. It's in the dozens to be sure. If reproductions could be made of the quality of the Me-262, these machines could be around for decades to come.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NffDYm-LKGU&list=PLQnfX30dkEObe329NVv5sYq93pnqMQZRy

 

You must know about the Flug Werk 190s. I think they made 20 of them.

[II./JG27_Rich]

Like everyone here, I love watching old warbirds fly. It's bad enough when a Mustang goes down, as they are somewhat numerous compared to other WWII machines like this 109. But I wish there were more replicas like the Me-262 flying as opposed to very limited numbers of 70 year old aircraft we have now. I know the expense of reproduction is likely prohibitive, but the day will come when these machine cease to exist. I can only guess how many vintage aircraft have went down since I started reading Air Classics magazine in the mid 1970s. It's in the dozens to be sure. If reproductions could be made of the quality of the Me-262, these machines could be around for decades to come.

I don't think the problem is the actual airframs anymore because they can build an airframe from scratch now, it's the engines

[MACADEMIC]

I don't think the problem is the actual airframs anymore because they can build an airframe from scratch now, it's the engines

 

Think you're very right there. I know of a project in Germany to rebuild and certify the fuel injection nozzles of the DB605. These are very delicate parts and absolutely essential to the operation of the engine, with current remaining wartime stocks dwindling. Once they become available again, a good number of remaining DB605 can become airworthy again.

 

MAC

[II./JG27_Rich]

Think you're very right there. I know of a project in Germany to rebuild and certify the fuel injection nozzles of the DB605. These are very delicate parts and absolutely essential to the operation of the engine, with current remaining wartime stocks dwindling. Once they become available again, a good number of remaining DB605 can become airworthy again.

 

MAC

That would be great

[BlitzPig_EL]

I know that in the case of Mustangs, propellers are becoming a worrysome isssue.

 

There are far more spare Packard and Rolls Royce Merlin engines than there are Hamiliton Standard props for P-51s.

[SCG_Neun]

"Aviation Classics" (issue 18) have Klaus Plasa interview about of flying the red 7, it's pretty good reading.

Got it, thanks for the heads up....

[MACADEMIC]

That would be great

 

Project is well under way, at testing and certification stage

 

MAC

[II./JG27_Rich]

Project is well under way, at testing and certification stage

 

MAC

There are quite a lot of 109s being restored right now. Even Fs my favorite 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_surviving_Messerschmitt_Bf_109s#Canada

Edited August 24, 2013 by Richie

[Freycinet]

Like everyone here, I love watching old warbirds fly. It's bad enough when a Mustang goes down, as they are somewhat numerous compared to other WWII machines like this 109. But I wish there were more replicas like the Me-262 flying as opposed to very limited numbers of 70 year old aircraft we have now. I know the expense of reproduction is likely prohibitive, but the day will come when these machine cease to exist. I can only guess how many vintage aircraft have went down since I started reading Air Classics magazine in the mid 1970s. It's in the dozens to be sure. If reproductions could be made of the quality of the Me-262, these machines could be around for decades to come.

 

I really think the planes of which only a single or very few copies remain should be grounded. Then they can always make exact copies of them. If they're gone they can't. Blueprints do not capture all the little details... In the future they could probably put a warbird through a scanner and make a perfect copy with a 3D printer...