HagarTheHorrible Posted September 18, 2014 Posted September 18, 2014 (edited) Worried about Scotland's future. Today, 18/09/14, Scotland decides if it wants to split from the rest of the UK. The world won't end,, tomorrow and the day after will be very much like any other day, but I worry about the long term future, the upheavals, the bitter recriminations, hostility and bad blood, not to mention that it's a huge gamble, whatever the politicians say to the contrary. If it ends up being a yes vote, Scotland, Britain will be diminished, Scotland will become an onlooker on the world stage, a hostage to fortune, rather than a player and leader. It risks isolation or subservience, it risks impoverishment. I love Scotland, I love where I live, but I worry about we're the machinations and self interest of politicians will lead this country. In some ways I'm not surprised that independence campaigners have done so well, whether they win or not. Britain has forgotten what it believes in, why it should hold it's head high, replaced instead with a sense of self loathing and recrimination for past sins and a lack of direction and self worth. Instead we moan and dwell over our cups of tea about what is bad rather than what Britain has achieved in the last 300 years what it has to be proud of. Edited September 18, 2014 by HagarTheHorrible
johncage Posted September 18, 2014 Posted September 18, 2014 model your constitution on the united states, and i don't see how things will go wrong.
unreasonable Posted September 18, 2014 Posted September 18, 2014 I feel sorry for unionist Scots, also for the huge number of Scottish born people who are currently working overseas or in the UK armed forces, none of whom have been allowed a vote because they would be mostly pro-union. As an Englishman, my head says a continuance of the Union is clearly the better option for all concerned, but after seeing the extraordinary anti-english vitriol of many of the independence supporters, my heart increasingly feels that it would be better for you to go now and shut the door on the way out. btw Hagar, have you heard the story about Alex Slamond's audience with the Queen? That might cheer you up a bit.
ST_ami7b5 Posted September 18, 2014 Posted September 18, 2014 (edited) Still you are a bit 'lucky' you can vote. I was born in Czechoslovakia and our politicians divided the country without any referendum. Fortunatelly there is no animosity between Czechs and Slovaks after the separation. Let's hope the same would apply to England and Scotland. Edited September 18, 2014 by ST_ami7b5
sallee Posted September 18, 2014 Posted September 18, 2014 It is a union and I can't quite understand why the English, as the other members of the union, don't get a vote! I'm still waiting for the glorious day when the Kingdom of East Anglia gets its independence back. I'll go back in a flash. We have been downtrodden for too long.
Cybermat47 Posted September 18, 2014 Posted September 18, 2014 (edited) model your constitution on the united states, and i don't see how things will go wrong.The US isn't one of the most powerful, prosperous and influential countries in the world because of it's good constitution, it's one of the most powerful, prosperous and influential countries in the world because of it's massive, well-oiled industrial and economical system. If Scotland became independent and used the US constitution, the problems of Scotland being independent, as Hagar outlined in his post, will still be there. Personally, I just hope that the Scottish people are happy with what they choose. Edited September 18, 2014 by Cybermat47
sallee Posted September 18, 2014 Posted September 18, 2014 The one advantage to a Yes vote is that Alex Salmond will be in a different country from me. 2
HagarTheHorrible Posted September 18, 2014 Author Posted September 18, 2014 The one advantage to a Yes vote is that Alex Salmond will be in a different country from me. That's very selfish. I hate you, Why don't you just pack your bags and go and live in a different country. 1
DD_Arthur Posted September 18, 2014 Posted September 18, 2014 Pray tell; what achievements do we have to be proud of in the last three hundred years?
sallee Posted September 18, 2014 Posted September 18, 2014 That's very selfish. I hate you, Why don't you just pack your bags and go and live in a different country. LOL. Well if someone can do it for me why should I bother!
Rama Posted September 18, 2014 Posted September 18, 2014 Please take the politics for relevant forums. It isn't allowed there, even in the "Free Subject" section.
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