stop shooting parachutes!

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Yes this is a real problem, unlike being killed in a chute:p. Allthough sometimes I have accidently fired upon friendlies myself because I find it really hard too see wether the plane is German or Russian(Im getting better at it now). So I don't think all teamkillers do it on purpose, accidents can happen...

Accidents are likely and I can live with sby shooting me by mistake if he even apologizes for it. I call it to those equipping Stukas or Heinkels with huge bombs waiting on the airfield for friendlies to join next to them only to enjoy a spectacular mass kill party shortly afterwards or guys going mad shooting others because they consider them "killstealing".

 

Occassionaly, when sby on my team feels like going mad or vulching the enemy airfield continuesly, I might even consider it as legal though

Edited September 15, 2014 by [Jg26]5tuka

[76SQN-FatherTed]

I've not yet tried BoS MP, so perhaps someone could tell me what happens when you get shot in your chute - do you lose any points/killstreak?

[=LG/F=Kathon]

How many of you shoot at car driver and murdered him?

How many of you droped bombs at tanks and murdered all the tank team? Is it ok?

How many pilots died because of your fire?

 

Every time you pull the trigger you may kill virtual human and you know that.

 

Chivalry and ethics? Hypocrisy.

Edited September 15, 2014 by =L/R=Kathon

[BraveSirRobin]

I've not yet tried BoS MP, so perhaps someone could tell me what happens when you get shot in your chute - do you lose any points/killstreak?

 

Your stats for that mission have a kill added.  Of course, that may also happen if you shoot someone else down, since stats aren't very reliable right now.

[Imur6]

He can shoot you with his pistol when your plane pass by him.....

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

Once everyone has agreed to stop shooting at parachutes and to stop vulching can everyone agree to stop shooting me down?  Really, it is most rude.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

They're just roleplaying VVS.

 

Ha!

[BigPickle]

C'mon guys, just stop it. This is just... sad. I can't even express myself in this case.

 

You shot me down, well lucky you. But when my Pilot bails out, there is no fu**** reason to shoot him!

 

 

If some does this, he should not be credited with his kill. If you beat an already beaten enemy, you should go see a mental doctor!

 

Does it make you cry a little digital tear

[M4rgaux]

If you bailout and survive you have 50% point reward

If you bailout and die, you got 0%.

That's all for the stat.

 

It sure is a game, therefore some people (me included) try to be the best, when you're not good enough to score a lot of point, making other people lose theirs is a good way to reach the top ! (I'm not even good enough to shoot the chute, too bad)

 

I never got shot from a plane while bailing out (and that happen a lot), enemy AA however like to kill me a LOT, before crying about getting killed, start complaining that a computer doesn't show no human compassion... No seriously, there are rules to prevent that !

Edited September 15, 2014 by M4rgaux

[Nil]

I still haven't been online in BoS, but against the AI or in old IL2:1946 I shoot down chutes, if I'm bored, and really sure it's an enemy! Its nice to practice situational awareness, and your gunnery (if needed) while triyng to avoid to get caught in a chute

[SYN_Bandy]

I'm really on the fence here.  Shooting parachutes did happen in WWII, but should it not have been modeled in BoS?  I think it should be there, but then the question is should you do it?  No one can answer that, or make you decide one way or the other.  I won't be doing it though...  However, letting them know how much it rankles you is not the way to go about curbing it though.  

 

Vulching, now that's a completely different issue, especially in the context of playing a combat sim around Stalingrad, where airfield attacks were required. 

 

In reply to complaints about 'vulching' I recommend mission makers add more AAMG and AAA, that's all.  Then airfield attacks are very risky and will likely not give the results desired.

Edited September 15, 2014 by SYN_Bandy

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I don't do it but a guy in a parachute hasn't really surrendered has he? If possible, IRL, he will escape, evade and attempt to rejoin his forces? Surrender, to me, means your fight is over.

[LoneMerc]

There should be some sort of blot on the persons record that all can see. Once or twice can be accidents but more than that maybe the person can be labeled as such for all to see, if the person refrains from such activities for a certain amount of time his record can be cleaned.

[JimmyGiro]

[kaboki]

 

If some does this, he should not be credited with his kill. If you beat an already beaten enemy, you should go see a mental doctor!

 

No no no, YOU should go and see a mental doctor if getting killed in a video game upsets you that much

[Y-29.Silky]

I did it a few times, giving Russians a nice round of 20mm, and I was happy I did because I was killed multiple times before I could even start my engine due to their vulching. When I get vulched like that, I have 0 problems with shooting someones chute.

 

Anyways, it didn't seem to do anything; I remember in 1946, the parachute would be destroyed and the pilot would fall like the rock, but right now it seems it doesn't do anything. Does it kill the pilot and give them a death on the scoreboard?

 

Russia never singed the Geneva btw, so technically, they could shoot parachutes.

Edited September 15, 2014 by Silky

[skouras]

personally i never shooting on a parachute and on a taxing enemy aircraft

i wait untill he's airborne!!!!

[=AVG=Zombie]

Does it make you cry a little digital tear

Lol, I can see it now, me laughing after I do it and some one loosing thier s^%# on the chat bar... lmao

[kaboki]

Lol, I can see it now, me laughing after I do it and some one loosing thier s^%# on the chat bar... lmao

 

One man's death is another man's bread..

 

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

I don't do chute shooting. There is no honor in it, but the historicity of this occurring (by all air forces, mind you) is undeniable. “You are fighter pilots first, last, always. If I ever hear of any of you shooting at someone in a parachute, I'll shoot you myself." - attributed to Gustav Rödel

 

Aircraft on the ground are fair game. Cold engine, taxiing, taking off, barely off - fair game. This isn't a "war simulator" but the historicity of this tactic is undeniable and was especially valuable on the Ostfront.

 

Maybe even more so during the Defense of the Reich campaign - destroying the remnants of the Luftwaffe before they were off the ground was the bread and butter for the invasion of the Reich set forth by the Allies. More 262's lost to ground bombardment than in combat.

Edited September 15, 2014 by FalkeEins

[VRPilot]

No no no, YOU should go and see a mental doctor if getting killed in a video game upsets you that much

 

no, but it's a sign of fair play. Maybe you need a certain level of education for fair play. But, you know, we are on Zhe Interwebs... maybe I expect to much.

[kaboki]

no, but it's a sign of fair play. Maybe you need a certain level of education for fair play. But, you know, we are on Zhe Interwebs... maybe I expect to much.

 

What is unfair? The enemy pilot shoot you down, but didn't kill you and as kill hungry he is he shoots at your chute, saving him from have too shoot you down again if you manage to get back to HQ and being sent up again. If you land the chute on enemy territory you will get captured anyway and sent to the gulags/consentration camps(He just saved you from ending up in hell). He got you anyway and is just finishing the job. Chivalry was something that may happend during the early phases of WW1 but as the war dragged on it got more vicious. The chivalry belonges in the hollywood movies, in the real war evil things happen.

Edited September 15, 2014 by kaboki

[LukeFF]

I'm surprised it took this long for this particular argument to come up on this forum. 

[Finkeren]

I'm surprised it took this long for this particular argument to come up on this forum. 

 

I have seen at least 2 earlier threads about this, though I admit the last one was a few months back.

[VRPilot]

What is unfair? The enemy pilot shoot you down, but didn't kill you and as kill hungry he is he shoots at your chute, saving him from have too shoot you down again if you manage to get back to HQ and being sent up again. If you land the chute on enemy territory you will get captured anyway and sent to the gulags/consentration camps(He just saved you from ending up in hell). He got you anyway and is just finishing the job. Chivalry was something that may happend during the early phases of WW1 but as the war dragged on it got more vicious. The chivalry belonges in the hollywood movies, in the real war evil things happen.

 

you get zero advantage for doing it. It's just for the disadvantage for the victim (lost all points). And this game is not war, we don't kill civillians or rape women. It's game. games need fair play or the stupid kids ruin the gameplay in the long run 

[=AVG=Zombie]

Seems to be a very interesting thread, some people could give a rats backside but other people seem rather passionate about it, almost to the point of smashing keyboards lol. This thread has actually back fired a bit, I don't do it but now it seems i may take it up, if only to read the chat bars in game and get in peoples head a lil bit. ~S~ 

[Trident_109]

STOP SHOOTING MY CHUTE!!!!!!

 

 

 

Edited September 15, 2014 by Robert

[kaboki]

you get zero advantage for doing it. It's just for the disadvantage for the victim (lost all points). And this game is not war, we don't kill civillians or rape women. It's game. games need fair play or the stupid kids ruin the gameplay in the long run 

 

Yeah, that maybe, but I can pretend in my imagination that if I killed the best ACE on the russian side Der Fuhrer would most likely give me a medal or something:D.

 

I actually never been shoot at when Im in a chute and it seems most people don't bother doing it, so I think your unfair play is abit exagerated:p. I had no plan of starting to shoot chutes myself, mostly because I loose situational aweransess concetrating on the chute and I would risk getting shoot down by other planes up there. But as =AVG= Zombie says, this thread actually make me wanna start practicing this behavior just for the lolz looking at the chat log:p

[1PL-Banzai-1Esk]

Roleplaying was mentioned in this thread , with VVS (and Polish 303 squadron) pointed out as blatant chute shooters. Well , I personally like some roleplaying when I play BoS , otherwise it's just airquake.

 

The way I see it , Luftwaffe and Germans in general are ruthless invaders who bring only death and destruction with them. Their presence in 'my country' is an act of aggression and countless burned down villages and killed civilians are a proof that this is a war of attrition.

 

When I fly in BoS it's war for me , and a very brutal one , I will make sure that the invader is destroyed to protect my homeland and friends and family. I have no problem with so called vulching or shooting enemy pilots on chutes over enemy controlled territory to prevent them from coming back another day. Over my territory I will let them live and be captured , when over enemy territory I will have no problem with shooting a german pilot who bailed out. I would probably shoot guys like Rudel even on the ground.

 

It's not personal or done to annoy other players , it's just roleplaying. When you get shot down and then killed on a parachute just role-play as well and be thankful it's just a game.

 

Now a moral dilemma , If I shoot the guy on a chute will I potentially save someones life , by preventing that german pilot who bailed out from flying again and killing someone. Or will I get someone from my squadron killed next time when he bails out , and some other German pilot who witnessed my actions, shoots his parachute in revenge.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Considering the "refly" button, probably the latter.

[=AVG=Zombie]

STOP SHOOTING MY CHUTE!!!!!!

 

 

 

Dude thats great!!!!! No i will picture that when some one looses their mind in the chat bar....

Anyone from the hyper lobby a few years ago remember stealth-owl? Some one made an infamous teamspeak recording of him....

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

-snip-

 

It's not personal or done to annoy other players

 

-snip-

 

That's good on you, and I think that is really what we all value above all else in this regard.

 

I think OP's main issue is that these types of things typically can't be left in the hands of an unregulated community with the expectation that it will be done in an impersonal, or "non-trolly" fashion. We will see this become a tool of personal insult - I hope we don't see it become the tradition of the game.

 

The Counter Strike "tea-bagging" example is a fine one: it probably only took a handful of people with the intention to do this annoyingly to turn it into the "internet gaming sensation" that it is today. "Tea-bagging" is main stream. It is annoying. It is personal. It is unprofessional. For a lot of people, it ruins their enjoyment of the title that they are playing. I think we can all agree that we would like to avoid this level of trivial, sophomoric behavior and reduce whatever detrimental effects this could cause for people entering the genre or for those of us who have been here.

 

We want a respectful, mature gaming atmosphere/community where we can all come in to enjoy and take part in regardless of individual skill levels, squadron affiliation, etc.

 

 

 

(Side note: As a double-edged sword - I have always wondered if people migrating from WT might bring some of the "gamey" habits along with them. With the CoD ATAG server, teamkilling has certainly gone up as an influx of less skilled, less professional players have started joining the ranks.)

[II./JG53Lutzow_z06z33]

It's wrong regardless. I will strafe planes taking off as they will pose a threat, but I won't shoot a plane landing as he's done with his fight. I will never shoot a pilot in a chute as its just wrong and you gain nothing from it except wasting ammo and putting a bulls-eye on your self. I saw another 109 pilot shooting a guy in a chute so I rolled in behind him and shot my own team mate down. I have no respect for such cowards.

[Zettman]

In my opinion chute shooting should not be punished nor be removed from the game.

 

If you want to role play a pilot that did not shoot at bailing pilots and showed a chivalry behavior, it is essential that there are people who are the opposite of this. This way your behavior will have more sense and your "good" traits will shine brighter , if it wasn't even possible to shoot chutes it would be senseless. And even if it possible, people still would shoot at the bailed out pilot, even if they were aware that the bullets would just go through.

 

If you are annoyed by it, just don't do it yourself and it is less unlikely that someone will do it to you. I for my self will refrain from it, until I see someone who does it to a friendly pilot.

 

Zettman

[Livai]

The propeller from my plane wanted some parachutes to eat but the result was not what I wanted to see.   Is this the same like shooting parachutes?  I was testing the parachutes damage model.

 

 

 

[sturmkraehe]

I suggest that the we get a key with which to open our chute so we can decide to fall down steeply and pull the line only on the last moment as was in real life. Pilots did it to avoid being shot at on the chute. May add to the thrill.

[Bassly]

I suggest that the we get a key with which to open our chute so we can decide to fall down steeply and pull the line only on the last moment as was in real life. Pilots did it to avoid being shot at on the chute. May add to the thrill.

 

If I choose not to open, do I go to jail?

[sturmkraehe]

Yes, that one 6ft under... the virtually yourself at least.

[neuwildberry]

no, but it's a sign of fair play. Maybe you need a certain level of education for fair play. But, you know, we are on Zhe Interwebs... maybe I expect to much.

 

I don't see how education has any bearing on whether or not someone shoots at parachutes, and it's really weird that you try to frame it as such.

Edited September 15, 2014 by neuwildberry

[Bungmiester]

War is Hell