Take off penalty

[HagarTheHorrible]

In multiplayer I noticed an aircraft floor the throttle from the hard standing, taking off with no regard for anything other than getting himself airborne. Bearing in mind that it's still Beta so a penalty might still be in the works, should uncleared snow prevent sufficient speed for take off and should landing off piste, with wheels down, end up with a crash (nose over) ?

[VRPilot]

well, in case of emergency nobody taxis to the runway. And at all airfields but those far away from the front lines is emergency as "spawncamping" seems to be a valid tactic... and 10cm of snow with those narrow whells should be no problem. But I have no clue how much snow we actual have in Nov. 1942... 

[-TBC-AeroAce]

Light snow should not be too much of a problem for what are relatively heavy a/c. I don't know if different surface friction is modelled yet but always has been in modern flight sims

[=LD=Hethwill]

Had a few close encounters with folks that just throttle up to take off from the parking lot... obviously ending in a crash for both planes. And it is not like he hasn't time to actually SEE there are planes taxing in front given the time it takes to start the engine @ SYN, LD and SE servers.

 

In an emergency you haste to take off, not to crash two planes and severely damage the ability to counter a raid.

 

I agree with penalty given it is too late in the season to implement a air traffic controller crew, with flags or radio comms.

[keeno]

I think that some people find taxiing so difficult that it's just easier for them to gun it and go straight from the hard standing area. Myself, I'm terrible at taxiing but still at least make an attempt to get to the runway and take off as you would in real life.

[=LD=Hethwill]

Taxing is not difficult anymore. And come on, half the fun in a sim is to learn. Kudos to you keeno for trying to improve

 

On a side note I see many good folk trying to taxi revving up like mad man. Keep revolutions low and control of taxi course becomes way easier.

[wellenbrecher]

I taxi to the runway at AFs behind the front or at any AF right at server start. 

But when flying on Eagle's Nest for example, and taking off in Rynok or Beketovka, I usually just floor it straight ahead.

The danger of getting strafed on the field is just too great and there's no sense in wasting a perfectly good plane.

 

Another exception is when I'm flying with friends, get shot down/bail/emergency land, yet they're still in combat and in need of help.

 

 

But all of that requires me checking if the way is clear first of course.

It helps absolutely no one if I slam right into someone else and waste two planes at once.

[kaboki]

I hate the guys that can't even taxi to the got damn runway just taking off from the ramp, ruins a little immersion and looks stupid, and can also be a risk to taxi around the field with these maniacs around.

[Requiem]

If I were designing a mission I would strategically place a few structures or other objects to prevent people taking off from the ramp.

[Gambit21]

I hate the guys that can't even taxi to the got damn runway just taking off from the ramp, ruins a little immersion and looks stupid, and can also be a risk to taxi around the field with these maniacs around.

 

Well if you want WWII immersion online play isn't where you find that anyway - for this is a list a mile long of behaviors that prevent it.

If I were designing a mission I would strategically place a few structures or other objects to prevent people taking off from the ramp.

Yep - good idea - although I'm sure the lazy types would just exit the revetment and find a convenient direction to just punch the throttle.

[kaboki]

Well if you want WWII immersion online play isn't where you find that anyway - for this is a list a mile long of behaviors that prevent it.

 

Oh I find it very immersive, except a few drawbacks(as I said it ruin a LITTLE immersion). Singleplayer and fighting AI I find alot less immersive. I just wish the devs could make the snow a little deeper making it neccesary to taxi to the runway for takeoffs..

[Gambit21]

Oh I find it very immersive, except a few drawbacks(as I said it ruin a LITTLE immersion). Singleplayer and fighting AI I find alot less immersive. I just wish the devs could make the snow a little deeper making it neccesary to taxi to the runway for takeoffs..

I agree, it's immersive, just in a different way than offline.

In WWII they were not constantly talking about only being able to fly for another hour because the wife was getting up, or what key to use in order to change

gunner positions, etc. So immersive yes, immersive as in simulating WWII - not so much.

[marklar]

If someone vulching above my airfield taking off straight from the ramp is the only way to get airborne. If sky is clear I always taxi to the runway.

[VR-DriftaholiC]

you can damage gear but Ive only seen it happen with a full fuel and bomb load on a yak

[312_strycekFido]

In old 1946, there was this unwritten rule on server i regulary flew on (real-ish settings and missions, no air-quake).

 

taxiway is for take off, runway is for landing

 

At least on those generic old IL-2 fields, probably not aplicable on those nice airbases we have now in BoS

 

BTW in real air forces, they also train emergency scrambles from taxiways.

 

 

For the mission builders:

Please consider what airfield are you making. Bomber pilot on a rear AF doesn't have problem with taxiing, just maybe mark the way, so two guys don't end up on oposite side of the same runway at the same time. Fighter (or basicaly anyone) on frontline field want's to get up fast, before he gets killed with his gear still on the ground looking for the runway.

[jarg1]

I question whether it is possible in the real world to take off across a snow covered field without a high chance of damaging the plane and/or crashing.  There could be all sorts of debris, trees, rocks, ditches, holes, etc. hidden below.

[Bassly]

Don't know is the gear DM final, but at the moment you can punish your gears alot. One thing is sure that taxiing can be more dangerous than your enemy. I have gotten over run by full bombload He111s, seeing people to fly into bunkers, all kind of that.

About taking off over a snow instead of hard icy snow runway. I would like to see same thing happen when you run and jump into deep snow. Those who have tried know what I am talking about.

 

Otherwise it's nice entertainment at the airfields.

Edited September 15, 2014 by Bassly

[HagarTheHorrible]

Given the amount of attention the developers have put into providing us with engaging start up sequences it's a bit of a downer to see some players give absolutely no consideration to their environment other than trying to find the nearest furball. Just be done with the whole airfield, engine starts, navigation thing, it's just so last century. Air starts and big orange sky markers indicating the furball in the center of the map that's obviously the way to go, white ground for winter, green for summer, the Dev's can spend all their time on aircraft instead.

 

It can't be beyond the wit of the Developers to either make the rough areas rough so that rough field take offs are very dicy and likely to end in disaster, even more so for aircraft with narrow track undercarriage.either that or create so much drag on the wheels that it's a real struggle to get up enough flying speed to take off. The other option is skis, presumably they were fitted for a reason, despite their obvious downside.