PLEASE... Ju52 & Polikarpov Po-2 !!!!!

[indiaciki]

You can't be serious doing a Stalingrad Flightsim without these planes.

Edited September 14, 2014 by indiaciki

[Original_Uwe]

JU-52 and an I16 for sure

[indiaciki]

JU52 was essential. Bringing them down was top priority. Stalingrad without JU52 is like airwar over Germany without B17s...

[ACG_KaiLae]

JU-52 is needed. But PO-2....not so much. SU-2 would be another matter. Russians could use a P-39 or a IL-4 more though.

[indiaciki]

The polikarpov would be really geat flying. 1. It's an iconic geat plane 2. It was flown by women 3. Nightmissons. Legendary. This plane and it's use was unique in WW2. Having the Po-2 would be a great tribute to those who flew her. It's a historical sim.

Edited September 14, 2014 by indiaciki

[Original_Uwe]

I16 is all that and more!

[indiaciki]

You're right. I don't know why it already isn't in the sim... did it still fly in 1942?

[ShamrockOneFive]

You're right. I don't know why it already isn't in the sim... did it still fly in 1942?

 

The I-16? Yes, they still flew them during the early stages of the Stalingrad batter in mid 1942. I think they had been written off (attrition/losses/withdrawn) by winter.

 

The devs say that an I-16 will appear. That much is confirmed. How they do that might be interesting. A summer map pack plus I-16, Yak-7, Su-2, Ju52, Bf109E,etc. could be interesting.

[indiaciki]

Yes, I love the I-6. It was the best fighter in the 30's way ahead of it's time.

 

 

 

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[LukeFF]

 

 

You're right. I don't know why it already isn't in the sim.

 

The team has a limited amount of time to get this initial iteration of the game to release stage, so some things aren't going to make it in right now. 

[Feathered_IV]

BoS captures the atmosphere of night missions so well that a Po-2 would be very exciting to fly.

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

Po-2 ride of the witches

[JtD]

To my knowledge, the Ju 52, the Il-2 and the Po-2 were the most numerous types in the battle. So it is a bit odd to not have them, when the air is filled with types that saw limited or no service in the BoS in real life. Probably commercial decisions - LaGG-3, Bf 109 and Fw 190 simply sell better than a Ju 52 or a Po-2.

[Caudron431]

Putting more planes in the game is always a good thing. And i am all for the Ju52 and the Po2.

 

But i think the most important thing is to be creative by developping a good gameplay around the idea of logistics. Giving elaborated missions and good points (rewards) to cargo pilots would probably even attract more simer into BoS (those that play civilian sim).

[MarcoRossolini]

I'd take the Po-2 over the I-16.

 

I'd rather something which requires a different kind of flying than just another soviet fighter aircraft that is outmatched by everything it faces.

[SYN_Bandy]

The more aircraft the better.  I-16 would fit in with the opening stages of BoS, or Babarossa in 1941, which would be nice to fight against some Emils instead of the current uber rides.

 

Po-2 just because of the challenge, and for the love of sticks & canvas. While I do not think the Night Witches had defensive armament, I would hope that the rear seat would have some felxible mount.  Or was the pilot in the rear seat?

Edited September 14, 2014 by SYN_Bandy

[SCG_Neun]

It's just a matter of time and I bet we'll see the most prevalent aircraft.....in keeping with the historical window of time.  I would love to see some static JU-52's and the like as field ornaments....for now though.

[216th_Peterla]

To be honest...whatever plane they drop in the conflict I'll be buying it

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

The more aircraft the better.  I-16 would fit in with the opening stages of BoS, or Babarossa in 1941, which would be nice to fight against some Emils instead of the current uber rides.

 

Po-2 just because of the challenge, and for the love of sticks & canvas. While I do not think the Night Witches had defensive armament, I would hope that the rear seat would have some felxible mount.  Or was the pilot in the rear seat?

From video above pilot sat in front in Po-2. (no dual control in this version i think).

[1./JG42Nephris]

Who is going to fly these planes beside AI?

Who is going to buy these planes for 20 bugs each, just to have it ingame?

 

From a economic pov both planes are completely uninteresting compared to another fighter,bomer or destroyer.

I am with you that these planes were essential for the battle, but for the game itself the expecting financial value is probably written in red numbers.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Who is going to fly these planes beside AI?

Who is going to buy these planes for 20 bugs each, just to have it ingame?

Me, at least for a working Ju 52 and MP implentation with proper objectives (supply, paradrop, medivac, ect.). Remember MP isn't about running and gunning only, though I agree the "mainstream" might tend to prefer fighters and fighter bombers over all.

 

Also we don't need to play devs and sort out things by priority and time of development, the devs can for sure handle this without it. It's a question of ressources and demand. It's up to us to voice our suggestions though.

[J2_Trupobaw]

Not sure if people here or wrong or I am... they see a beauty of sexy, open cockpit, biplane night bomber and all they talk about is that some of them were flown by women  .

I'd be buying both for sure, too, like workhorse planes almost as much as biplanes.
 

[Feathered_IV]

Who is going to fly these planes beside AI?

Who is going to buy these planes for 20 bugs each, just to have it ingame?

 

From a economic pov both planes are completely uninteresting compared to another fighter,bomer or destroyer.

I am with you that these planes were essential for the battle, but for the game itself the expecting financial value is probably written in red numbers.

I hear what you're saying, but I utterly reject your opinion.

[FlatSpinMan]

OP - welcome. Yep, lots of us would like them but they're not big attractors for more casual players. This game seems to be being made on a tight time and financial budget, so for now there are other priorities. Fingers crossed, though.

[Elbows]

To my knowledge, the Ju 52, the Il-2 and the Po-2 were the most numerous types in the battle. So it is a bit odd to not have them, when the air is filled with types that saw limited or no service in the BoS in real life. Probably commercial decisions - LaGG-3, Bf 109 and Fw 190 simply sell better than a Ju 52 or a Po-2.

 

I don't think anyone is arguing that we wouldn't like both of these planes in the game.  However, since this is a combat flight sim (and not simply a flight sim) - when you launch a game with 8 aircraft, you don't make two of them wildly outclassed specialty aircraft.  Those come later.  It'd be like a new car brand/marquee launching with a station wagon and a van, and skipping the sedans/coupes etc.

 

Personally I'd love to fly a Ju-52 and yes, even the Po-2...I'd also love to shoot them down, but it would be financial/business suicide to put planes like this in the initial eight launch planes (yes, we have 10 - but I'd guess most people will start with the $55 normal version before buying on later).  I have faith that BoS will be successful and I have no doubt we'll be seeing plenty more planes - odd ones, and useful ones.

 

Give it time. 

[I/JG27_Rollo]

 

 

From a economic pov both planes are completely uninteresting compared to another fighter,bomer or destroyer.

Agreed. They'd probably need to be bundled together with more "interesting" stuff. Put the Ju52 and Po2 into an update package with the Bf 110, I-16 and whatever + a summer map and charge the necessary amount.

People will complain how expensive it is but they'll still buy it just to be able to fly a 110 over green fields.

[Lusekofte]

Well If this community grows and live well in the future , I think we can buy these planes .

In all fairness if the JU 52 came along I guess this would be the next

I hope to see the witch played a vital part, and

witch did not in this battle, but in Kursk. 

[indiaciki]

From an economic point of view, let's put it this way: Put in Free flight. No civilian sim comes even close to RoF and BoS. There are who simply love flying planes and navigating withot GPS and VOR. There's people buying warbirds for FSX and xplane... BOS has the potential to fill a gap in the VFR market witout even having to do anything else than creating a free flight map with all objects included.

 

 

 

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

[Potenz]

Bitte die Tante Ju!!!

[6high]

 

You would not think anything so slow can stay in the air

[HagarTheHorrible]

Po 2 is a waste of time. If you want to fly biplanes then fire up RoF.

 

Po 2's were used to attack and harass soft targets such as infantry, at night, it is doubtful if that will ever be fun or exciting without the danger or subtlety of real life.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Po 2 is a waste of time. If you want to fly biplanes then fire up RoF.

 

Po 2's were used to attack and harass soft targets such as infantry, at night, it is doubtful if that will ever be fun or exciting without the danger or subtlety of real life.

Never say useless!

 

Apart from combat sorties I have a very special role for the Po-2 in mind. It would be a perfect trainer plane for squadrom training units or tutorial missions similar to the Tiger Moth in CloD. Especially with the high complexity of BoS FM and weather engine such a trainer could serve well in intorducing new players.

 

Either way I rly hope for a proper 2 seater in future!

 

PS: Biplanes would perfectly fit into BoS btw. Especially thinking of special types such as the Hs123. 

[indiaciki]

agree with 5tuka. Though hoplessly out of date, they were an essential part of flying in the area and they would be a great challenge to fly and survive in.

[HagarTheHorrible]

agree with 5tuka. Though hoplessly out of date, they were an essential part of flying in the area and they would be a great challenge to fly and survive in.

No they weren't and no they wouldn't.

 

I suspect the A.I ground units aren't overly fussed about being harassed or denied sleep. I suspect the cat and mouse nature of much of what the Night Witches did is well beyond the capabilities of BoS, Thief maybe but not BoS.

 

If you want a combat game then the Po2 is pretty much useless, it has one function, and quite frankly, my dear, the AI don't give a damn, if however you want a navigational challenge with exciting, infinatly varied scenery then I suggest you look elsewhere, FSX with various addons for example.

 

The trainer idea is vaugly interesting but what with no danger to life or limb, no expensive prangs and an instant refly button you may as we'll save yourself several Pounds/ Euros/ Dollars and just fly whatever you have in your hanger., it's not as if anyone is counting the wrecks.

[Bulkhead]

 

The #1 and #3 engines, is it fotografic illusion or do they point very much out to the sides?

 

+1 For the Ju 52 in BoS. That would be very cool

[Potenz]

The #1 and #3 engines, is it fotografic illusion or do they point very much out to the sides?

 

+1 For the Ju 52 in BoS. That would be very cool

they actually point out to the wingtips

 

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

The trainer idea is vaugly interesting but what with no danger to life or limb, no expensive prangs and an instant refly button you may as we'll save yourself several Pounds/ Euros/ Dollars and just fly whatever you have in your hanger., it's not as if anyone is counting the wrecks.

I meant for training other people in it, just like in a real one. The pilot (instructor) would sit in front whiel the gunner (student) could enjoy a detailed flight lesson with great view on controlls and plane movement to better understand how things are working.

 

We in our squadrom established trainings for members recently and struggle to teach them with the Ju 87 and other ingame 2 seaters. They can barely serve this special purpose and view fro, 2nd seat is too tererible to get a right picture of what the instructor is doing.

 

Just my 2ct on this regard.

[Bulkhead]

 

 

they actually point out to the wingtips

 

 

Thanks GOAPotenz. Just look at that. Can't say I know about any other tri-motor with engines angled this obvious.

Maybe it is easier to control if one of wing engines stopped. 

[J2_Trupobaw]

Po 2 is a waste of time. If you want to fly biplanes then fire up RoF.

 

 

 

What if I want to fly biplanes and support that other tittle by 777, too  ? Po 2 is the best of both worlds. And yes, it would be perfect for teaching and self-teaching. Even with restarts making attempts  cheap, there is need of plane you can learn to walk in, rather than learning to run straight away. 

 

I meant for training other people in it, just like in a real one. The pilot (instructor) would sit in front whiel the gunner (student) could enjoy a detailed flight lesson with great view on controlls and plane movement to better understand how things are working.

 

We in our squadrom established trainings for members recently and struggle to teach them with the Ju 87 and other ingame 2 seaters. They can barely serve this special purpose and view fro, 2nd seat is too tererible to get a right picture of what the instructor is doing.

 

Just my 2ct on this regard.

Have you tried RoF while there is no trainer in BoS? You could make a squadron owned RoF account to be shared by students (password can be reset between sessions or not), equip it with a two-seater or three, make free to play account for gunner (you don't need to have the plane to join it as a gunner), then off you go! Or make two such accounts so both student and instructor can freely spawn as gunner and pilot, switching places between sorties.

 

The Halberstadt Cl.II may be best initial trainer (underpowered, easy and pleasant to fly, land and take-off in). Sopwith Strutter is the same with challenging torque, more rudder input and long landing approach. Bristol is more powerful and harder not to crash on takeoff and landing. All three can dogfight against some of ROF fighters, especially 1916 ones, so they could be used to show how to maneuver against a plane, too.

 

 

Edited October 14, 2014 by Trupobaw