Tension of real flight stick? anyone knows?

[Imur6]

Anyone knows the tension of real WW2 fighter flight stick?

Was it come to center back precisely?

[Bassly]

You might want to read this one: http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/3195-rudder-input-too-high/?p=83892

[Rama]

Anyone knows the tension of real WW2 fighter flight stick?

Was it come to center back precisely?

 

???

There's no spring in a WW2 fighter stick. Only aerodynamic forces applying on governs "move the stick" if not manipulated. If you leave the stick free, his position will depend on plane attitude, speed and trim positions.

[Imur6]

???

There's no spring in a WW2 fighter stick. Only aerodynamic forces applying on governs "move the stick" if not manipulated. If you leave the stick free, his position will depend on plane attitude, speed and trim positions.

 

hmm~ if so, looks like I have to remove my tension spring from X-55 stick

Edited September 7, 2014 by Imur6

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I got the opportunity to fly a P-51C this year through some basic aerobatics (aileron rolls, loop, etc) and was surprised by both the stick forces and also how small some of the throws were to accomplish some of the maneuvers. All smooth and positive G. Nothing violent or combat like but good lord it was fun. I will never complain about a lowly Warthog's spring forces........ever!

[andyw248]

was surprised by both the stick forces and also how small some of the throws were to accomplish some of the maneuvers. 

 

So you are saying the stick forces were heavier than you had expected?

[Imur6]

I got the opportunity to fly a P-51C this year through some basic aerobatics (aileron rolls, loop, etc) and was surprised by both the stick forces and also how small some of the throws were to accomplish some of the maneuvers. All smooth and positive G. Nothing violent or combat like but good lord it was fun. I will never complain about a lowly Warthog's spring forces........ever!

 

what is exact meaning of  "throws" in your comment?

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

@Andy - yes

@Imur - distance moved. How little it took to move the stick and make the aircraft perform the maneuver. 'Throws' is just a phrase.

[VR-DriftaholiC]

Well you are using a stick with 1/8 the length of a WW2 fighter. Check out extending you stick if you want the throw distance to be more realistic. Nothing will be able to give you a real weight as they feel heavier then any force feedback stick can provide. However force feedback is a great way to experience many similarity how how a plane would handle. The trim would not center the stick on its mechanical center but instead on the center of the aerodynamic forces.   Wich is why I use a G940 with a 2 foot extension .

Edited September 7, 2014 by driftaholic

[SYN_Lt_Dan]

Yeah I installed an 8inch extension on my ffb2 it's so much better and the ffb is still really strong can be a real dog to pull out of dives some times.

[dburne]

I would love to get one of the extensions being offered out there for my Warthog, but my desk along with location is just not conducive for it.

[VR-DriftaholiC]

Yeah I installed an 8inch extension on my ffb2 it's so much better and the ffb is still really strong can be a real dog to pull out of dives some times.

 

and to think i want this http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=1367379&posted=1#post1367379

[SYN_Lt_Dan]

Me to but looked a pain to knock up 

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Already extended and center mounted the warthog. I wasn't complaining. Was just surprised how the real thing could be both precise and offer such strong feedback.
 

[Imur6]

Already extended and center mounted the warthog. I wasn't complaining. Was just surprised how the real thing could be both precise and offer such strong feedback.

 

 

 

Which axis modification do you use for your stick? I mean, which is more close to real? direct dialgonal? or "S" diagonal? 

I'm asking you as you've experienced control of real plane!

thanks in advance!

[SeriousFox]

For Sitek Joystick there's sping for a reason. It helps to center the joystick and also helps you perform precise movements.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Which axis modification do you use for your stick? I mean, which is more close to real? direct dialgonal? or "S" diagonal? 

I'm asking you as you've experienced control of real plane!

thanks in advance!

I'm sorry. I don't understand the question. The only modification I've done is a ten centimeter extension from Sahaj and I've built a stand so it is mounted on the floor between my knees like a real plane of the era.

[VR-DriftaholiC]

I think he means changing the curve of the response. I recommend straight as it makes it more predictable when trying to pull more lead as the sensitivity isn't changing as the deflection increases.

[ST_ami7b5]

I agree, 1:1 is best. No deadzone and no curve.

+1

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 Also using 1:1 and no curvature on my Warthog.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Ah,yes, no curves and no dead zones applied.

[Rama]

Agree

[II./JG53Lutzow_z06z33]

In the Yak-52(basicly a WW2 design) I own in a dive to gain airspeed to do a loop ect the stick is very heavy and will center it self unless your making some kind of input.

[Rama]

In the Yak-52(basicly a WW2 design) I own in a dive to gain airspeed to do a loop ect the stick is very heavy and will center it self unless your making some kind of input.

Yes (that's the effect of aerodynamic forces), and?

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

In the Yak-52(basicly a WW2 design) I own in a dive to gain airspeed to do a loop ect the stick is very heavy and will center it self unless your making some kind of input.

 

Yes (that's the effect of aerodynamic forces), and?

Although not a fighter, the post seems like a direct answer to both of the OP questions.

[Rama]

Although not a fighter, the post seems like a direct answer to both of the OP questions.

Not sure. The OP question (if I understood it well) was if the fighter stick would center "preciselly".

The position of the fighter stick without any input will not be "centered", it will depend on plane attitude, speed and trim positions. So there's no "precise" center position

[Imur6]

Not sure. The OP question (if I understood it well) was if the fighter stick would center "preciselly".

The position of the fighter stick without any input will not be "centered", it will depend on plane attitude, speed and trim positions. So there's no "precise" center position

 

Thanks!

[spirit]

hmm~ if so, looks like I have to remove my tension spring from X-55 stick

But don't forget to place a hairdryer on top of the screen to account for the aerodynamics.