Is anyone really successful in the Yak1?

[keeno]

Hi all,

 

When i first started in BoS I flew the109 like a lot of people, but I found it too easy and not too rewarding shooting down inferior aircraft all the time. So I decided to fly Russian, ground attack in the Pe2 or Lagg5 being my favourite as I'm not a good fighter pilot. Occasionally I jump into the Yak1 which is a nice enough plane but I constantly get my ass handed to me by 109's. The only way I can shoot one down is an by unseen attack from 6 o'clock, in a straight fight I lose every time. I'm out climbed, out turned, out manuvoered, out flown, out ran and out accelerated every time.

 

So my question is..........is anyone really successful in the Yak in a "fair" fight? By fair I mean both pilots have seen each other and start the fight in equal terms, if so.......how?

 

 

Cheers.

 

[Finkeren]

Yes, in fact I think you're something of an oddity for finding the Yak hard to use.

 

Being primarily a VVS pilot, I recently exchanged the Yak in MP in favor of flying the LaGG-3, because in the Yak it was just too easy.

 

Most of the action that takes place online currently consists of low level furballs with loads of 109s and 190 throwing away their advantage in favor of a quick TnB at tree top hight. This is where the Yak-1 absolutely excells, and the Germans are more than happy to play it right into your hands.

 

Both Bf 109s are still overall better fighters and can easily outfly the Yak, if you choose to, but for the current MP the Yak is king.

[SYN_Vorlander]

Lol

[Pupo]

usually when i pick a yak my greatest struggle is to get it over 2000 metres..... then i get shot without even seeing the other guy.

[RydnDirty]

Team work the best part about flying Russia. I don't even fly the bf109. I feel embarrassed to be seen in it. It is so easy to win against inferior planes. I see experienced players racking up big scores in the bf109 and I think they must be childish narcissists to not swap to the russian side.  These guys don't even swap when the germans out number the russian 2 to 1 and they have 15 kills and no deaths. Do they think that impresses anyone? I get much more sense of achievement to fly LaGG3 outnumbered but not outgunned with the 23mm and a good wingman. Really challenges me and the teamwork can win against superior planes.

[Leaf]

Team work the best part about flying Russia. I don't even fly the bf109. I feel embarrassed to be seen in it. It is so easy to win against inferior planes. I see experienced players racking up big scores in the bf109 and I think they must be childish narcissists to not swap to the russian side.  These guys don't even swap when the germans out number the russian 2 to 1 and they have 15 kills and no deaths. Do they think that impresses anyone? I get much more sense of achievement to fly LaGG3 outnumbered but not outgunned with the 23mm and a good wingman. Really challenges me and the teamwork can win against superior planes.

 

Let people fly whatever and however they like. 

 

@OP, my advice would be to fly the 109  a bit to see what it's capable of (and isn't). That might give you a better idea of how to deal with it.

[RydnDirty]

I've never tried to stop anyone from flying anything. I just said I won't fly the easy plane when the other team is outnumbered and I have 15 kills and no deaths.

[Schwalbee]

Yes, in fact I think you're something of an oddity for finding the Yak hard to use.

 

Being primarily a VVS pilot, I recently exchanged the Yak in MP in favor of flying the LaGG-3, because in the Yak it was just too easy.

 

Most of the action that takes place online currently consists of low level furballs with loads of 109s and 190 throwing away their advantage in favor of a quick TnB at tree top hight. This is where the Yak-1 absolutely excells, and the Germans are more than happy to play it right into your hands.

 

Both Bf 109s are still overall better fighters and can easily outfly the Yak, if you choose to, but for the current MP the Yak is king.

Spot on man, in many Sims a lot of German pilots give up their alt and speed for a quick fight. This is exactly why Yak 1 is really good atm. With no real objectives besides of the new syndicate server there's nothing better to do than dogfight and no penalty on dying.

[II./JG53Lutzow_z06z33]

I agree luring a 109 or a 190 into a low flight makes for an easy kill. Especially the 190 as its very unstable in a low speed tight turn. Some more experienced German pilots will climb and use altitude and speed advantage, I always laugh when I see a 109 or 190 pilot heading toward the lines low I just fly above them and wait as I know I'll have to save them. I shot down 3 Russian fighters in one such thing I don't think they ever realized I was there. I'd dive shoot one pull up roll dive again and shoot another down, so be on the lookout for Germans flying high as once we enter a dive we will be on you in just seconds as when I dive I'm usually going 700km/h so if I miss I'll just reuse that energy and climb and repeat my attack. Also DON'T go head on with a 190 its suicide!

[Gambit21]

Yes, in fact I think you're something of an oddity for finding the Yak hard to use.

 

 

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[Livai]

My experience with the planes are ( still testing )

 

[bf-109 & Fw-190]

• below 2500 m slower
• below 1500 m slower climb, above 2000 m better, above 4000m much better
• never fight VVS below 2500m

[Yak-1 & La-5]

• faster below 2500 m
• to 2000 m climb not much difference between German vs VVS

 

If you have a 109s and 190 behind you just go below 2500m. A 109s and 190 start a high altitude attack with a 45 angle or lower to his target. Important is the distance to the target and the angle should be not higher than 45 because the 109s and 190 want to use the speed to gain altitude again. If you notice a 109s and 190 above you dont climb just gain distance to be far away from them. And look if they notice you and start a attack. If yes thats very great they made a mistake because you have a great distance to them and they lose speed and cant climb again. Now start to turn not much and the 109s and 190 cant follow turn again to shot them down.

[keeno]

finkeren,

 

thanks for the reply but I didn't say I find it hard to use (fly), i find it easy to fly as its such a lovely plane, I find it hard to defeat a 109 on equal terms, when both pilots see each other and start on equal terms of height, speed etc. shooting down a 190 seems much easier. Funnily enough I flew it tonight on Expert server and did much better. I had been flying on easier servers with a huge tag above your plane, making it very difficult to sneak up on an opponent.

 

i think expert server is the way to go and more practice.

 

Cheers.

[RoterBallon]

finkeren,

 

thanks for the reply but I didn't say I find it hard to use (fly), i find it easy to fly as its such a lovely plane, I find it hard to defeat a 109 on equal terms, when both pilots see each other and start on equal terms of height, speed etc. shooting down a 190 seems much easier. Funnily enough I flew it tonight on Expert server and did much better. I had been flying on easier servers with a huge tag above your plane, making it very difficult to sneak up on an opponent.

 

i think expert server is the way to go and more practice.

 

Cheers.

The 190 is crap if it has no mates around it. Even if it as energy advantage it can't use it properly. Either the elevator locks aboth 700 km/h or you have to run away after the first attack. @ 2km alt you can outrun your enemies in a perfect level flight, but that's about it.

 

I never engage a Yak1 if we are on equal energy, no matter which alt. This always ends in a turn fight which is easily lost in a 109 against an experienced Yak pilot with just 1 little mistake  

 

Well I missed one point regarding the 190.

You can use it on SYN server right after restart to bomb the supply dumb. 

Edited September 8, 2014 by RoterBallon

[Br00ns]

The 190 is crap if it has no mates around it. Even if it as energy advantage it can't use it properly. Either the elevator locks aboth 700 km/h or you have to run away after the first attack. @ 2km alt you can outrun your enemies in a perfect level flight, but that's about it.

 

I never engage a Yak1 if we are on equal energy, no matter which alt. This always ends in a turn fight which is easily lost in a 109 against an experienced Yak pilot with just 1 little mistake  

 

Well I missed one point regarding the 190.

You can use it on SYN server right after restart to bomb the supply dumb. 

 

Surely you don't HAVE to try and turn with the Yak? It seems to me that the 190 could benefit from the same kind of tactics as the 109 - never turn with them, always keep speed up and get them to bleed their energy trying to climb up at you. Admittedly, I'm mostly a 109 guy in MP, so I could be wrong, of course. But the general idea of avoiding a circle fight at all costs still seems sound.

[Descolada]

Surely you don't HAVE to try and turn with the Yak? It seems to me that the 190 could benefit from the same kind of tactics as the 109 - never turn with them, always keep speed up and get them to bleed their energy trying to climb up at you. Admittedly, I'm mostly a 109 guy in MP, so I could be wrong, of course. But the general idea of avoiding a circle fight at all costs still seems sound.

Not really. The 190 doesn't have the ludicrous climb rate the 109 does, so they just follow you for the most part.

[Br00ns]

Not really. The 190 doesn't have the ludicrous climb rate the 109 does, so they just follow you for the most part.

 

Oh. So you'd need a pre-existing energy advantage to make BnZ work correctly, is what you're saying? 

[Finkeren]

Yeah the current Fw 190 is "energy advantage or bust". It propably should have a bit more power behind it. That being said, it is far from being useless once you have that initial advantage.

[=69.GIAP=RADKO]

Currently there are a lot of pilots on either wide wanting a quick dog fight and as a result the majority of the fighting is on the deck. The Yak-1 out performs the 109 in a turn at those kind of altitudes so you will often find a close match at the moment. If you see a german pilot racking up kills it's most likely because they know their aircraft well and most importantly the enemies. 109's and 190's should never really commit to a turn fight otherwise they lose their main advantage which is there ability to climb fast without losing energy as fast as a Yak-1 for example.

 

Number one priority should be to climb. As soon as your wheels have left the ground and you've reached your optimum climbing speed for whatever aircraft you're flying stick to it and climb. The closer you can be your opponent in regards to altitude the less advantage they have and who knows you might actually be above them which makes a nice change for a VVS pilot! 

 

Secondly also try to force them to commit to a turn and lose their advantage. Never try to climb up to them to force a even battle, you'll only lose your energy and leave yourself vulnerable. Instead, remember that you can out turn them so when your opponent is coming in again for another boom and zoom at 700kp/h you can create a much harder turn at 310kp/h making it practically impossible for them to create a decent gun solution, especially when you dip your nose slightly below the horizon in your break turn because nothing is more difficult for someone zooming at 700kp/h to force their noise down vertically. It's all about discipline and making your german opponent lose their advantage in small increments rather than big chunks. The more disciplined your are the more likely your opponent will make mistakes.

 

I hope some of that will help.

[Bassly]

Pretty much everything said above. Put some energy in the bank and you are all good, simple as that.