New Haswell-E processors

[Hopper64]

I am a bit confused here. Is BOS an application that would benefit from the multithreaded capability of the new Haswell-E processors? Or is the single threaded i7 4790k just as good? I was going to consider a new system with the 4790k, but then I saw this review at Newegg by Jamie G who talks about flight sims taking advantage of the multithreaded nature of these chips:

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117403&cm_re=i7_5930-_-19-117-403-_-Product

 

This is specifically the i7 5930 which is clocked a bit higher at 3.5GHz. It's a bit cheaper too.

 

So that's the question. Would our flight sim use the multithreads in the new Haswell-E chips, or is the 4790k with the higher clock and 4 cores the better way to go? Thanks.

[Hopper64]

BTW-He mentions the use of OpenGL in flight sims in the review link above. I don't think BOS is written in OpenGL, so this may be the difference. Thanks for the input on my question in advance.

[VR-DriftaholiC]

This game can't even get my 4970k past 60% not sure what good more threads will do it unless they start adding some more cpu intensive features........like ground troops 

[LLv34_Flanker]

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I think if you have a i7 4790K on a good Z97 mobo it is pretty useless to invest in a Haswell-E. What would the real gains in performance vs invested money be compared your current rig?

[Hopper64]

Oh, nothing at all. I am looking at the future. I am more of a hardware nut than anything else. Just looking at options down the road. You are right, current machine is more than adequate.

[Hopper64]

And the other question I had was whether BOS is CPU or GPU dependent in terms of performance, whether it would benefit from multithreaded hardware or not. I don't find benchmarks of flight sims in the reviews of new hardware of course. It is not where the market is. The review I linked above has a specific statement about flight sims. That's what prompted my original post and the questions about hardware. Thanks for your input.

[LLv34_Flanker]

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 I would say BoS is more CPU dependent due FM/DM/AI and all that. Graphics are DX9 whic any today's card can run. I saw an improvement in FPS after going from AMD FX-8350 to an Intel i7.

[Hopper64]

That's what that Jamie G. guy was referring to in his review of that 5930k chip. Being more CPU bound, the game may benefit from all the multithreaded abilities of the new CPU line. It's something to consider later. Thanks again for your help Flanker.

[LLv34_Flanker]

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 No problemo, Hopper I propably upgrade next year with the PCIe 4.0 and other stuff coming. Current rig is good enough to run games satisfactorily.

[FuriousMeow]

This game can't even get my 4970k past 60% not sure what good more threads will do it unless they start adding some more cpu intensive features........like ground troops 

 

Most games don't use 100% of the CPU, that is actually bad code if it does that. You will find CPUs, such as 1st Gen i-7s like an i7 870 @ 4GHz, that will use up to 60% of each core with BoS and if you upgrade to an i7-4770k @ 4.5GHz, the CPU core usage will go down to around 50% but the FPS will more than double. Core usage is not an example of anything other than how poorly the code is. Good code is executed quickly and in a timely manner, so isn't stuck eating up CPU cycles - and if that code can be executed quickly then faster CPUs will churn it out faster and in turn you'll get better performance.

 

CPU core usage is only a measure of how overloaded the CPU is, and if gets up to 75%+ it is time to upgrade and/or there is terrible coding there.

Edited September 6, 2014 by FuriousMeow

[Hopper64]

Most games don't use 100% of the CPU, that is actually bad code if it does that. You will find CPUs, such as 1st Gen i-7s like an i7 870 @ 4GHz, that will use up to 60% of each core with BoS and if you upgrade to an i7-4770k @ 4.5GHz, the CPU core usage will go down to around 50% but the FPS will more than double. Core usage is not an example of anything other than how poorly the code is. Good code is executed quickly and in a timely manner, so isn't stuck eating up CPU cycles - and if that code can be executed quickly then faster CPUs will churn it out faster and in turn you'll get better performance.

 

CPU core usage is only a measure of how overloaded the CPU is, and if gets up to 75%+ it is time to upgrade and/or there is terrible coding there.

That's why this question arose in my mind. I thought that there wouldn't be much advantage to these new CPUs, but when you consider the calculations that are being made in a simulation, there probably is a difference as suggested in the review in my first post. The problem with all the reviews that we have is that flight sims are not incorporated into the list of benchmarks. Anandtechs review is good, but I would like to know how these various processors perform in our game here. Is there are data on this anywhere? I haven't found it myself. Thanks for your insight.

 

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8426/the-intel-haswell-e-cpu-review-core-i7-5960x-i7-5930k-i7-5820k-tested

[FuriousMeow]

Performance increase over your 4770k, marginal with BoS and most other titles released in the next 5 years. I have a 4770k as well. I disabled HT, because it is worthless for games and just causes heat issues when overclocking, and overclock. Going from what you have now to the Extreme Edition of Haswell really is just pissing away money, you won't go from 60fps to 300fps, you'll go from 60fps to 70fps during huge engagements that are CPU intensive. You have an awesome system as is - just overclock and get every last clock out of the 4770k you can. I have the same, for the most part, configuration and going Haswell-E truly isn't worth the money. Turn of HT, and overclock!

 

If you have any questions, concerns, whatever, respond to this thread so it can be out there for others and I'll respond as well as others. It's always best to have as much information out there regarding optimal system configurations, even though they become outdated so very qui.. and our systems are outdated.

Edited September 7, 2014 by FuriousMeow

[Hopper64]

Thanks for your help. My current machine has not been problem-free. I am a bit reluctant to overclock it due to stability issues in the past. That's one other reason I was looking at the new processors. Do you have a good overclocking guide that you use? Thanks again for your help.

[Dakpilot]

Thanks for your help. My current machine has not been problem-free. I am a bit reluctant to overclock it due to stability issues in the past. That's one other reason I was looking at the new processors. Do you have a good overclocking guide that you use? Thanks again for your help.

 

Just use ASUS software that comes with MB , I get a 30% 4.5GHZ o/c 24/7 stable, just one button press everything is auto, it keeps running O/C until unstable and reverts to the last stable stress test settings. Could not be easier  My previous 1366 socket i7 required a lot of research and experimenting with settings in bios to get a decent stable O/C, things have become simple and we are now spoiled

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[LLv34_Flanker]

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 You can also test overclocking in increments with the provided Asus program. I usually raised the clocks 100MHz at a time and tested various programs to see if stable. Some are more sensitive than others to OC. But with a good cooler you can get quite a bit of performance as Dakpilot said above.

[Hopper64]

Just use ASUS software that comes with MB , I get a 30% 4.5GHZ o/c 24/7 stable, just one button press everything is auto, it keeps running O/C until unstable and reverts to the last stable stress test settings. Could not be easier  My previous 1366 socket i7 required a lot of research and experimenting with settings in bios to get a decent stable O/C, things have become simple and we are now spoiled

 

Cheers Dakpilot

Well, I might just try that. Thanks. I have not installed a lot of the utilities that come with this machine, so I will look into that.

 

Thanks to Flanker too.