Silly Question Concerning LaGG 3

[GrieverGriever_XIV]

I've been playing this game quite a bit, and I'm much better at aiming than I was when I started. I've read in multiple places on this forum that the LaGG 3 is the underdog, the weaker plane out of the ones available, so I've been flying mostly the La 5 instead. I also fly the Yak and the 109. I only recently picked up the LaGG 3 and played it seriously for the first time, and for some reason my performance sky rocketed? 
Something about the plane feels so much smoother in its turns and a lot more stable, aiming feels like a piece of cake with it, the plane never wobbles, and it has great guns. 

What I'm really wondering is if I'm doing something wrong with the other planes... It feels wrong for me to be performing better with the plane that simply shouldn't be performing better... Is there something I'm not doing right with the 109 or the Yak to have them wobble so much when turning? As for the La 5, I think I simply don't perform as well with it because it has horrible turn rates and I cant dog fight with it, diving doesn't get me as many kills.

Am I the only one?

 

[senseispcc]

Each plane has his own style of fighting the La-5 is not a dogfighter like the FW-190 in one of these planes you maintain high speed and do many change of direction (scissors) to gain an advantage over your opponent. This is because they (the la-5 and Fw-190) have an advantage in roll speed over the other fighters in play but they are heavier so loose more energy in turns.  The Lagg-3 was not a bad plane but not a good one also like the Hurricane for the RAF do not forget that the Japanese did receive (from the pilot) one and did test it and their conclusion was a good plane but not has good than the “Zero”.  

[VR-DriftaholiC]

Lagg has all the amenities, full trim, big guns, and it it makes for nice firewood when you are trying to keep warm in the Russian winter... 

Edited September 3, 2014 by driftaholic

[Dakpilot]

Most of the problems with the real life Lagg-3 that gave it such a poor reputation are not modelled ingame (and it would actually be difficult to implement and controversial to do so)

 

If you are interested here is a reasonably balanced excerpt about Lagg-3 and some of the production quality issues

 

http://books.google.co.za/books?id=qlfx0gia8lgC&pg=PA6&lpg=PA6&dq=lagg+3+production+quality+problems&source=bl&ots=40MBL7j1jF&sig=JPhToPpY4EhQj_RS7RzcE0iYE5Y&hl=en&sa=X&ei=QeUGVJH8IeHG7Aacr4D4Bg&ved=0CFMQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=lagg%203%20production%20quality%20problems&f=false

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[=38=Tatarenko]

Another factor is that if you are relatively new and see dogfights as turning contests then the LaGG-3 doesn't seem too bad. However when you go up against experienced pilots who view dogfights as climbing and diving contests and who shoot you when you haven't even seen them, then the LaGG-3 doesn't look quite as good. Wait till you have no speed left and a Messer 800m above you.

[Sparrer]

S!

 

Compare the Bos Lagg 3 and Oleg Lagg 3.

I don't know which one is more accurate,

But im wondering, why they are completely different ?

[Dakpilot]

S!

 

Compare the Bos Lagg 3 and Oleg Lagg 3.

 

I don't know which one is more accurate,

 

But im wondering, why they are completely different ?

 

Think the simple question is compare IL-2 original FM and game engine to BoS

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[Sparrer]

S!

 

Ok, so you telling me that BoS FM, DM, and etc is indisputable correct just because it's newer? That we can't compare the 2 simulators outputs because they made in a different way? Really?

[Leaf]

S!

 

Ok, so you telling me that BoS FM, DM, and etc is indisputable correct just because it's newer? That we can't compare the 2 simulators outputs because they made in a different way? Really?

 

I definitely wouldn't say it's not to be disputed, but given the newly available data, the research and the original IL2's game engine limitations, I would tend to trust this game's rendition more. Especially considering what real pilots say.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 None of the sources used have been made known to players yet, so devs can say whatever they want. And that is not a rant but a cold fact. Just test the roll rates, even with latest revision, and you see there is still room for improvement. TIP: Fw190A should out roll ANY fighter plane in BoS with a big margin, up to high speeds. But it does not. I want to believe, I really do.

[C-Bag]

It's too bad the OP's observation got mired in the usual conflict over FM, when his original observation I think is pretty easily attributable to the facts. The LAGG3 is a good gun platform for the reason it's also a underdog, it's heavy. And in the right hands that can be used to great advantage. The LAGG3 is not a bad plane, bottom line.

 

I've read several accounts saying the 109 was a challenging gun platform. And the Yak1 is very light so theses factors make for more for more challenge in gunnery.

 

It a wonderful thing IMHO that each one these planes has so much character and unlike the real pilots we can sample each one and pick which plane fits our style.

[Leaf]

unlike the real pilots we can sample each one and pick which plane fits our style.

That is indeed a luxury I appreciate! :D

[Brano]

Lagg has all the amenities, full trim, big guns, and it it makes for nice firewood when you are trying to keep warm in the Russian winter... 

Delta drevesina is fire resistant material.

[ShamrockOneFive]

S!

 

Compare the Bos Lagg 3 and Oleg Lagg 3.

 

I don't know which one is more accurate,

 

But im wondering, why they are completely different ?

 

Are they? The moment I took the LaGG-3 out for a spin it felt very similar to the LaGG-3 that you can fly in IL-2 1946 right now. The earlier versions of IL-2 were a different story for nearly all of the aircraft but the way that this LaGG-3 Series 29 compares to the LaGG-3 Series 29 in IL-2 1946 is basically the same. Good roll rate, not a bad initial turn rate, but you can feel the weight in the turns and the reluctance to turn much tighter. Some of the differences are in how the stalls are handeled and I think this is where the more sophisticated FM of BoS really shines... it certainly feels more natural.

 

Raw numbers I haven't checked so this is just a seat of the pants kind of analysis but I will say that my fighting style is very similar on both.

 

Most of the problems with the real life Lagg-3 that gave it such a poor reputation are not modelled ingame (and it would actually be difficult to implement and controversial to do so)

 

If you are interested here is a reasonably balanced excerpt about Lagg-3 and some of the production quality issues

 

http://books.google.co.za/books?id=qlfx0gia8lgC&pg=PA6&lpg=PA6&dq=lagg+3+production+quality+problems&source=bl&ots=40MBL7j1jF&sig=JPhToPpY4EhQj_RS7RzcE0iYE5Y&hl=en&sa=X&ei=QeUGVJH8IeHG7Aacr4D4Bg&ved=0CFMQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=lagg%203%20production%20quality%20problems&f=false

 

Cheers Dakpilot

 

Lots of those problems were also from earlier versions that came before the Series 29 which had at least some refinements done including a more powerful engine, reduced weight, and varying but somewhat improved quality control. So this version is at least a little bit better... although by no means completely sorted out either.

 

I think the LaGG-3's problem once the basics were sorted out wasn't that it was a truly poor performer but that everything else was just that much better in nearly every respect.