110 in BoS?

[BraveSirRobin]

So, there won't be individual add-on planes coming out but new theatres with new planes. 

 

I suspect that this is going to change.  Adding more planes to the BoS theatre seems like it would be a great way to help pay for development of the next theatre.

[Freycinet]

Well, we can all suspect a lot of things, but that is the announced model.

 

I can see several reasons for moving away from the micropayments model of selling individual planes. Maybe some intermediaries are taking a cut on processing each payment, so it is better to earn 89.90 per transaction than 8.99. Maybe it makes selling the product more difficult because it is less clear to customers what they are getting. Maybe it is a b!tch to administrate. Maybe the accountancy dept. wants clear sales/earnings/budgeting figures 'per project'. Maybe it stems from the cooperation between 777Studios and 1C. I don't know, but in any case it seems they are trying to move away from the RoF model to something new (or old, as it were).

[Finkeren]

Well, to me it really doesn't matter. If the sim is indeed as good, as it seems, I'll be buying all they have to sell. 

[III/JG53Frankyboy]

I suspect that this is going to change.  Adding more planes to the BoS theatre seems like it would be a great way to help pay for development of the next theatre.

it changed already, La5 and Fw190 are adon planes when the official release will start 2014.

But i belive these adon planes will be few in comparison to RoF. The most planes will be sold with new maps/battles/scenarios.

[BraveSirRobin]

it changed already, La5 and Fw190 are adon planes when the official release will start 2014.

But i belive these adon planes will be few in comparison to RoF. The most planes will be sold with new maps/battles/scenarios.

 

That's not quite the same.  You can get them with the Premium edition.  I'm referring to aircraft that are strictly add-ons which are not available with a new theatre when it is released.

[Freycinet]

Yup. They can hardly be called add-ons if they are available from first release. I think those two planes are indicative of where the series is heading, since they aren't really part of the BoS scenario.

[Zettman]

Having the Bf 110 in this game would be great. It is a great plane and it can carry alot of diffrent weapon loads, which makes it interesting for diffrent misson types.

 

Zettman

[LG1.Klein]

Jason said in one of the very earliest info posts about BoS and the following sims that will be made IF BoS IS A SUCCESS that they will sell Theatres, not Planes. This is the major difference from RoF.

 

So, there won't be individual add-on planes coming out but new theatres with new planes. I am convinced that this means that the new planes coming out with the new theatres can then also be used in older theatres. So, say they make the Med after BoS, and the Med comes with 110's and Hurricanes and P-40's. Then those planes can also be flown in a BoS scenario if you have bought both sims.

 

Buying BoS without the 110 is not 'a bad investment'. It is an investment in a future with more theatres of war being released. If BoS bombs then none of it will happen. And, please, for this first release don't demand every single plane that could possibly fit into a theatre of war at a given period. The developers have to work within very tight constraints because the hi-fidelity sim genre isn't exactly a bestseller. If the series takes off we can expect fully-fledged scenarios down the road.

 

The 110 is not a "every single plane possible" aircraft. It is a substantial aircraft, present in numbers, and very active on the Ostfront. This aircraft does not qualify in the same category as Macchi's and IAR's to be relegated to such a secondary "add-on" after thought status.

[Greezy]

The 110 is always that plane that I want to fly but when I do I curse it's name. In all sims. Climbs and handles like a slug. It's great to have all that firepower in the nose and that rear gunner in the back helps, but it's always eluded my capabilities of a virtual pilot. Especially when those lovely early 109s are sitting there. This game has both the F and the G2! I myself am most excited about truly giving the 190 a shot.

 

Not to say I wouldn't love to see the 110 in-game. I'd just much rather see it as a target on the odd day I'm flying Russian planes.

[wtornado]

BF110 with the wasp skin! Yes please!

He wants the buzz around and sting other planes. hehehe

[Pierre64]

With this nice Bf 110, for example, found (with many others) in "Bf 110 in color profiles" by John Vasco & Fernando Estanislau, published by Schiffer:

 

[Oktoberfest]

As an humble Bf-110 pilot, I'd also like to point out that I would like the 110 included in the planeset.

The G2 variant, please.

With Mk-108...

 

Against Tempests and Mustangs...

 

 

 

Err, no, that comes later...

 

 

[III/JG53Frankyboy]

an 110F-2 would be a better choice i guess :D

 

with the following possible 5 Modifications:

- MG81Z instead MG15

- MG151/20 gondola

- fuselage bombracks ( reminds me of a picture of an ZG1 F-2 with one SC1000 and one SC250 loaded )

- wing bombracks

- Droptanks

Edited September 10, 2013 by Frankyboy

[Allons]

Here´s a source what subtype of Bf 110 did exactly arrive when at I.&II./ZG1 during 1942/43

 

http://www.ww2.dk/oob/bestand/zerst/bizg1.html (I./ZG1)

 

http://www.ww2.dk/oob/bestand/zerst/biizg1.html (II./ZG1)

 

The workhorse for ZG1 was the E-1/E-2 (2xSC 500) so no 30mm until April ´43. Dunno about Henschel Hs 129 with Mk 101 or Mk 103

 

Best, Allons!

[Allons]

Translation of 2nd row for Non-germans:

 

Datum: date

Anzahl: amount

Muster: subtype

Insgesamt: sum (incoming)

Neufertigung: new

Reparatur: repaired

von andere Verbände: from other units

Insgesamt: sum (lost)

durch Feindeinw.: enemy action

ohne Feindeinw.: without en. action

Überholung: refit

an andere Verbände: to other units

Anzahl: amount

 

The two speadsheets show for instance the substantial losses of II./ZG1 during winter 42/43.

 

Have fun, Allons!

Edited September 11, 2013 by Stab/ZG26-Allons

[III/JG53Frankyboy]

might be true, but the 110E would be no fun to fly......an underpowered dog

[fergal69]

How about this 110?

 

Model aircraft by a company called HobbyMaster of a BF110G-2 Q1+VB, 12/SG 77, Russia, 1943

 

With the skelatal hand, it is different to the usual shark mouthed/wasp painted 110's 

 

 

 

Can't find an image of the actual aircraft - how some people can find obscure things on the intenet & I can't find what would appear to be a simple search/find, results in nothing.

Edited September 11, 2013 by fergal69

[Foobar]

We won't have all at once in initial release. That's what Jason have told me just an hour ago. When BoS sells well then they will consider to deliver a 110 alongside new theaters.

[BeastyBaiter]

For the answer to this issue we need only look at what is currently being done for the initial release. The initial release is for Stalingrad winter '42/43. It includes 8 planes and has +2 available for individual purchase or as part of the premium pack. This seems like the most likely model moving forwards. A few core planes in a major battle/front/region release and then a few more as individual addons. With that said, the Bf-110 series is not a minor plane. I imagine it is high on the list right alongside the Ju-88.

[Volkoff]

We won't have all at once in initial release. That's what Jason have told me just an hour ago. When BoS sells well then they will consider to deliver a 110 alongside new theaters.

 

Ok, so we need to start thinking in terms of battles and not individual planes. For instance, I like the idea of eventually including the BF-110, a Ju-88, a Ju-52, HS-129b, IAR 80, Macchi C.202, I-16,  Mig-3, P-39, P-40, I-153,  Yak-1b, Yak-9, La-5FN, Yak-3, La-7, etc. Rather than ask for all of these planes individually, I should be thinking of the battle maps that introduce the greatest number of these planes.

 

 MJ

Edited September 12, 2013 by =69.GIAP=MIKHA

[Volkoff]

I just want to remind everyone interested in a heavy fighter, like the BF-110, that IL2 BOS will feature two versions of the PE-2. The PE-2 can perform heavy fighter dutues, similar to a BF-110, plus the PE-2 is an excellent dive bomber. I am sure that we will see the BF-110 in a future expansion, but if anyone wants to sim fly a heavy fighter/ dive bomber on the Stalingrad map, please check out the 69 GIAP, here: http://69giap.com  or check out any other IL2 BOS participating VVS squad. If you really want a heavy fighter now, why wait to simfly one on the map after the Stalingrad map? Instead, take up the PE-2 and simfly a heavy fighter on the Stalingrad map. Just a thought, guys and gals.  MJ

 

Edited September 13, 2013 by =69.GIAP=MIKHA

[theOden]

Actually MIKHA, I've already started to experiment with the Pe-2 in -46 for that very reason

On the plus side I also get to fly the red side which I prefer.

Even learned about the Pe-3 being a "lightweight" reconnaissance plane after my research.

This seems to be a very nice plane that I've totally overlooked until now.

Guess my ground pounding hours in BoS will be split between the IL2 and this Pe2.

[Volkoff]

Actually MIKHA, I've already started to experiment with the Pe-2 in -46 for that very reason

On the plus side I also get to fly the red side which I prefer.

Even learned about the Pe-3 being a "lightweight" reconnaissance plane after my research.

This seems to be a very nice plane that I've totally overlooked until now.

Guess my ground pounding hours in BoS will be split between the IL2 and this Pe2.

 

This is most excellent news, Oden. I can sure understand our community wanting the Bf-110 in game. I want one too, but there is a lot of fun to be had in the PE-2 and the IL2.  Heck, even the IL2 can be used as a heavy fighter, if needed and a real rugged one at that! Well, if you are going to be sim flying IL2's and PE-2's,  I hope that you check out the 69 GIAP, here: http://69giap.com 

 

 MJ

[III/JG53Frankyboy]

the VOW campaign on the Murmamskmap with mainly Bf110G-2 vs Pe-3 bis as fighters was a lot of fun in the past

 

my wish would be Bf110F-2, Ju88C-6 & Pe-3bis (among others) for the possible Kuban AdOn

 

but who knows, perhaps this Pe-3 will be 'just' an armament modification for the BoS Pe-2...........

[Volkoff]

Frankyboy, Introduction of the Bf-110 through a Kuban battle add-on would be fantastic. MJ

[LukeFF]

ROFL, the G-6 over Stalingrad? 

[III/JG53Frankyboy]

just dont take this list (from that linked old IL2 usermade campaign) too serious

[Livai]

just dont take this list (from that linked old IL2 usermade campaign) too serious

 

Today I spend more time for research about my post above. I did not known that this was a usermade campaign because you need to paid 26 Dollars for it (Informations taken from http://www.fspilotshop.com/wwii-expansions-stalingrad-1942-1943-p-1930.html ). How ever I found a interesting source what planes take place over the Battle of Stalingrad. For that I start my own thread where I collect this informations.

 

EDIT: Removed my post because it was better to made my own thread. Thanks for understanding

Edited September 14, 2013 by Superghostboy

[thx1138]

yes pls give us 110 and a p-40 to shoot it down with.

 

 

LoL ;-)

 

I think you summed it up nicely ! (could throw in an Mc 200 for aerobatics)

[LG1.Klein]

I think the point we are failing to realize here is that the 110 is not a minor combatant that is to be listed in the "other" category with the other rare and minor players of the war. The 110 was a mass produced highly utilized aircraft that played important and significant roles throughout the war beginning to end. To discard it as not part of the initial plane set would be a mistake. It was certainly utilized more than the FW-190 that we are getting. Rationalize that one.

[9./JG52Ziegler]

I think the point we are failing to realize here is that the 110 is not a minor combatant that is to be listed in the "other" category with the other rare and minor players of the war. The 110 was a mass produced highly utilized aircraft that played important and significant roles throughout the war beginning to end. To discard it as not part of the initial plane set would be a mistake. It was certainly utilized more than the FW-190 that we are getting. Rationalize that one.

As much as I love the looks and am looking forward to flying the FW-190, Klein is correct that bf110's played a much more significant role.

[SCG_Neun]

As much as I love the looks and am looking forward to flying the FW-190, Klein is correct that bf110's played a much more significant role.

+1

[Sven]

BUMP!

 

 

Feel free to use it!

[71st_AH_Hooves]

What battle chronologically would be after BoS on the eastern front?  Could the 110 be included there?  Along with some more higher end Ruskie planes.  the LA7 and Mig series planes?  

[SYN_Ricky]

I'd say Kuban and then Kursk. Mig was already being phased out by the time of BOS. La-7 is a much later plane, but La-5 and La-5F fit. The P-39 also starts to operate in numbers. Not sure about the 110, but the FW-190 was present both as fighter and ground attack plane at Kursk. The Bf-109 G6 also was present there along earlier G models.

Edited December 1, 2013 by SYN_Ricky

[Emgy]

What battle chronologically would be after BoS on the eastern front?  Could the 110 be included there?  Along with some more higher end Ruskie planes.  the LA7 and Mig series planes?  

There is room for a "complete the 1942 planeset" type pack first. Yak-7B, Bf 110, P-40, Ju-88 maybe. And they did have a test pilot fly the MiG-3 and I-16.

Edited December 1, 2013 by Calvamos

[Zoring]

The 110 is my second favourite plane of all time, so I am all for adding it, but iirc, by the end of Stalingrad they were reduced to less than 10 aircraft in the Central Theatre. They are more important if we end up going to the Crimea. That said, would love it in game. Lets just support this game as much as possible and tell all our friends and that will pay for future cool planes and maps.

[Finkeren]

I honestly don't see the reason to revive this old thread. There really is nothing new to add.

 

We already know, that the Bf 110 isn't going to be in the release. The plane set is fixed and not subject to change at this point.

 

The devs are perfectly aware, that the Bf 110 is high on the wish list of much of the community. They have not voiced any reservations to modelling it, so there is a good chance, that it's going to be one of the first planes to be modelled after the release.

 

There is little reason, why the 110 wouldn't be introduced at some point: It's one of the better researched and documented planes and has been modelled numerous times in other sims, it fits the time frame and location of BoS, its combat role fits well into the current German planeset, it's a well known and popular aircraft that will no doubt sell well and it's a versatile aircraft which can fill a lot of different roles both as a flyable in campaign, in MP and as AI.

 

I'm pretty convinced, that if the devs continue development of BoS at all after release (and we have no reason to believe, that they won't) the Bf 110 will be among the first additions coming down the pike.   

Edited December 2, 2013 by Finkeren

[germanicusgermanicus1936]

The Bf 110 is my favorite AC in CoD..I admit I get irritated when tracers whizz around my cockpit when I am enjoying a lovely flight from point a to point b. I do look for the missions specific to the 110 and wish there were more. I hope the will do the RoF format and also include the FW 189 which was very active over Stalingrad as recon and close air support. The ancestor of our OV 10 as used in VN. 

[ParaB]

It's quite simple: if BoS is making money for the devs they will add new aircraft. Works for RoF, will work for BoS.

 

From the quality I've already seen in the few hours I've spent with the early access I'm quite confident I'll be playing BoS for a long time. Buying new aircraft, supporting the devs.