After flying Syndicate server as He transport we need a Ju 52 now

[III/JG52_Llucmk]

Guys, i'm just getting disappointing about seeing a lot of people that want to buy the Ju-52... Considering the high price of IL-2 BoS and without know which improvements we will have at release ( Different summer, autumn, spring maps... fixed bugs... environment effects (rain, snow) , etc)  i don't think it's okay... I would buy the Ju-52 as an addon included in a big expansion... But the Ju-52 was in battle of Stalingrad as the Bf-110 did and other planes we had in Stalingrad and are not in IL-2. So i would like to see this planes in IL-2 BoS as free plane, or included in expansion pack.

 

For example:

 

Free option:

-German side: Bf-110 , Ju-52

-Russian Side: Su-2 , I-16 or P-39

 

Expansion option:

 

Mediterranean or African Map

 

-Axis : Bf-110 , Ju-52 , Bf-109 E7, Mc. 202 , maybe an italian or german hydroplane.

-Allied: Mosquito or any ground attack plane , Spitfire, P-40, B-17E, C-47 , Maybe P-38

 

Just as an example

 

 this way i would buy the "ju-52", but i won't like to buy it as a lonely addon. It's just my opinion. 

 

Anyway i think should be so cool to see this "new" role in Battle of Stalingrad. The other day i had a hard formation flight with 2 russian squads in my He-111 trasnport. I survived the attacks, but my left engine was broken so i cut off the fuel. I managed to fly from West of Kalach to Pitomnik with only one engine. It was so cool because my entire Plane was occupied by real players and they flied with me the entire trip... It was so intense, that when i was landing i felt the adrenaline that i haven't felt since a long time ago...

 

Sorry if i don't speak very well english, i'm studying for B2 level. If i'm wrong, correct me  .

Llucmk

[Rama]

without know which improvements we will have at release ( Different summer, autumn, spring maps... fixed bugs... environment effects (rain, snow) , etc)

Sorry, but most of it is known:

- No different season maps (told by dev many times)

- All known bug fixed

And It's quite environment effects will be in game (there are in RoF).

[101ECV_GADGET]

+1

[III/JG52_Llucmk]

Sorry, but most of it is known:

- No different season maps (told by dev many times)

- All known bug fixed

And It's quite environment effects will be in game (there are in RoF).

Well, that's not very important, (season maps) but they should fix the same problem has War Thunder. Sometimes the snow is so bright, that you can't see anything at 3-4 kilometers from you.

Anyway, if those maps are not included, some AI planes would be perfect and other planes for free or for low costs (not same price as La-5 or Fw-190 standalone versions...)

[AndyJWest]

Well, that's not very important, (season maps) but they should fix the same problem has War Thunder. Sometimes the snow is so bright, that you can't see anything at 3-4 kilometers from you.

Anyway, if those maps are not included, some AI planes would be perfect and other planes for free or for low costs (not same price as La-5 or Fw-190 standalone versions...)

 

You are expecting the devs to give away aircraft for free?

[sallee]

Guys, i'm just getting disappointing about seeing a lot of people that want to buy the Ju-52... Considering the high price of IL-2 BoS and without know which improvements we will have at release ( Different summer, autumn, spring maps... fixed bugs... environment effects (rain, snow) , etc)  i don't think it's okay... I would buy the Ju-52 as an addon included in a big expansion... But the Ju-52 was in battle of Stalingrad as the Bf-110 did and other planes we had in Stalingrad and are not in IL-2. So i would like to see this planes in IL-2 BoS as free plane, or included in expansion pack.

 

 

Damn right. I'm still waiting for my complimentary E-Type Jaguar to be delivered.

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

I actually hope the dev should take money if they did another aircraft. Specially the Ju 52  

Because of the quality we have gotten so far is really amazing in i think every euro will be worth it to be able and get a felling how a Ju 52 is.

This is also a way to keep BOS going. Sure they take high prices but then look at the level of quality. It´s amazing. 

Plz dev 

[III/JG52_Llucmk]

You are expecting the devs to give away aircraft for free?

Exuse me, but i'm not demanding anything free... I PAID FOR a Product around 50€.  They promised to use the money of the "game" to improve it in Ice cube challenge... So they now got my money, and now i'm happy cause the product they are building. If they make a sim that costs more than 100€ i don't think it will earn more community... 

 

I know it's not a good example, but DCS has 2 planes for free. But this one it's a good example. Do you know ArmA 3? Well, they have a big community because they gift almost all their DLC's. And the unique DLC's they made costs around 2$ and it's destinated to charity. They said that future DLC that will be Helicopters with advanced flight model and other features as shoot from vehicles and another one named Marksman DLC that has not info yet, will cost around 19€ everyone but won't need to buy it because THEY DON'T WANT TO SPARE THE MULTIPLAYER COMMUNITY.

 

 They will use a kind of system completely different to ArmA 2 (in ArmA 2 if you won't buy the dlc, you had them with low res textures and low quality sound). In ArmA 3 everyone will have the dlc's but sometimes will appear a little screen in for example in a corner of the game remembering that you are using DLC stuff and you can buy it if you want to unlock all features (for example, private missions or campaigns)

 

As you can see here, that's the "little window" that remembers you to buy the DLC. 

 

I have to say that i'm not asking for IL-2 BoS devs to make the same system. I'm just comparing that it's a simulator that has a great system to not divide the multiplayer comunnity and even with the almost the same price in normal edition, Arma 3 released 2 Free DLC's at the moment and other dlc's announced with that awesome Non-spare system...

 

 

 

I'm not comparing, i'm just using this as an example that IL-2 BoS Devs could release Free DLC's... Or as we said in back times "more free content".

 

Anyway, for now i'm getting a little disappointing with it.

 

I like Planes, i like IL-2 BoS, and it's to early to talk about it, but if the expansion packs are expensive and had low content (2 planes and one map for 40€ for example) i won't buy that and i think 40-60% won't as me. 

 

As i said before, it's my opinion and i'm not comparing anything here. 

 

Llucmk

[csThor]

You're comparing apples to oranges. For starters Arma III has and will have a much bigger market compared to a WW2 flightsim, especially one that doesn't contain the usual Spits, Stangs or Jugs. Apart from that BI has a second pillar in its military training simulations branch (VBS3). This gives them a lot more leeway in pricing and the likes while the BoS devs really need serious return of investment to make future investments even doable. You're really trying to compare two very different worlds and that doesn't work.

On the other hand BIS are about as flexible as a prybar - just look at their "advanced Helicopter FM" that's in the devbranch ... Nice idea but it has revealed the utter insufficiency of their damage models (which are worse than primitive) and so far they haven't come out with any substantial statements whether they'll be addressing these pressing issues or not. And history tells me they're unlikely to do anything about it. And 777? Look at the current Fw 190 cockpit and the threads posted after release until last week's update. That ought to tell you something.

Edited August 29, 2014 by csThor

[III/JG52_Llucmk]

You're comparing apples to oranges. For starters Arma III has and will have a much bigger market compared to a WW2 flightsim, especially one that doesn't contain the usual Spits, Stangs or Jugs. Apart from that BI has a second pillar in its military training simulations branch (VBS3). This gives them a lot more leeway in pricing and the likes while the BoS devs really need serious return of investment to make future investments even doable. You're really trying to compare two very different worlds and that doesn't work.

On the other hand BIS are about as flexible as a prybar - just look at their "advanced Helicopter FM" that's in the devbranch ... Nice idea but it has revealed the utter insufficiency of their damage models (which are worse than primitive) and so far they haven't come out with any substantial statements whether they'll be addressing these pressing issues or not. And history tells me they're unlikely to do anything about it. And 777? Look at the current Fw 190 cockpit and the threads posted after release until last week's update. That ought to tell you something.

well, it's real that bohemia has other games and the military version, as well a more bigger comunity than WW2 flighsim, but i can tell you that  because of that they're not gifting the DLC's... and making those systems...

 

as i've said, i'm not comparing, i'm using as an example. To be honest, i would pay for Ju-52 if it would cost the same as the planes they have already in RoF http://riseofflight.com/en/store.

 

But as we're talking about a transport plane, i wouldn't pay more than 10$ and maybe 6$, depends the quality. But 20€, it's unacceptable, even for a figther... Devs should reduce the price of Fw-190 and La-5 and reward more to Gold founders to make the things fair for everyone... anyway, to early to talk about this. Let's see the game finished and then, we will be able to talk.

Edited August 29, 2014 by Llucmk

[csThor]

Well, compared to a DCS aircraft even 20$ is dirt cheap. So I guess it depends entirely on your perspective. And I doubt 777 Studios and 1C are choosing prices by throwing darts or a game of chance. There's an underlying calculation, that's for sure. Besides the only thing clear at this point is that the RoF model of individual planes won't be used. The rest remains utter speculation.

[Rama]

I'm just comparing that it's a simulator that has a great system to not divide the multiplayer comunnity

And BoS, like RoF, if they sell DLC planes after the release, won't divide the community.... because even if players don't buy the extra planes, they still can play with the players that did on the same online game server...

So If a Ju52 is sold as DLC in the future (I don't say it will, just what will happen in case of), then you will still be able to play in the same servers as people flying it, and you will be able to fight them... the only think you will not be able to do is to pilot them.

Same as what happen today with Fw190 and La5, and same as what happened in RoF. It's a clever system that allows to sell DLC without dividing the online community.

 

For the rest, yes you can't compare mega games with multi-millions budget, with a big margin, that can try to attrackt more players by giving free goodies.... and a niche market game, that don't has the ressources to do the same.

[Schwalbee]

oh man a ju 52 would make my day i would love to escort them

[III/JG52_Llucmk]

Well, compared to a DCS aircraft even 20$ is dirt cheap. So I guess it depends entirely on your perspective. And I doubt 777 Studios and 1C are choosing prices by throwing darts or a game of chance. There's an underlying calculation, that's for sure. Besides the only thing clear at this point is that the RoF model of individual planes won't be used. The rest remains utter speculation.

To be honest... The quality of a DCS plane than BoS plane it's completelly superior in some aspects... but here we are entering in comparations... Anyway, DCS has high prices too...

 

 

 

And BoS, like RoF, if they sell DLC planes after the release, won't divide the community.... because even if players don't buy the extra planes, they still can play with the players that did on the same online game server... So If a Ju52 is sold as DLC in the future (I don't say it will, just what will happen in case of), then you will still be able to play in the same servers as people flying it, and you will be able to fight them... the only think you will not be able to do is to pilot them. Same as what happen today with Fw190 and La5, and same as what happened in RoF. It's a clever system that allows to sell DLC without dividing the online community.

 

 

I know, and it's fair. But i think BoS devs said that new content will be in "packs with map" as + or - did IL-1946...  I would like to, and that way the community would be divided... That's why they would have to:

-1: Offer a Good and awesome Quality content with a lot of planes.

-2: Offer something like Stalingrad map and their planes (not counting LA-5, Fw-190) for A coherent price (6-8 Aircraft and one map with period units for 35€-40€ I think it's an awesome price) but i would like to see non flyable planes as AI like IL-2 Clod had or IL-1946

Edited August 29, 2014 by Llucmk

[Urra]

Where do we pre-order the JU-52?

[Rama]

6-8 Aircraft and one map with period units for 35€-40€ I think it's an awesome price

 

An awesome price to kill the game.... It's a niche game, it can't sell enough to repay the investment with this kind of price.

 

[Blooddawn1942]

An awesome price to kill the game.... It's a niche game, it can't sell enough to repay the investment with this kind of price.

 

 

That´s the point. Simple economics.

Due to the known reasons siming on such an High Fidelity level is a bit like playing Gulf compared to soccer.

Or in other words: if You want to drive a Porsche, You need to pay for an Porsche. Otherwise You need to stick with Your Vauxhal.

Edited August 29, 2014 by Blooddawn1942

[snowsnipersnow_sniper]

 

Or in other words: if You want to drive a Porsche, You need to pay for an Porsche. Otherwise You need to stick with Your Vauxhal.

 

+10000 for this. same for DCS.

 

thinking in the same time about Team Fusion awesome free amateur work. can't be compared of course as it's not at all an economic dev system .

but it's now nearly a Porsche too.

I'm just thinking to support their server one more time at least, for thanks them to give us a great old Refurbished porche for free. ...

 

[III/JG52_Llucmk]

An awesome price to kill the game.... It's a niche game, it can't sell enough to repay the investment with this kind of price.

 

Can you tell me how much does it cost to create 6-8 planes and one map of 200x300km aprox? 

[Blooddawn1942]

I can tell You that  modelling only the flight modell of the upcoming Kurfürst in DCS was around 140.000$.

That might give You an Idea of what production costs we are talking about when it comes to HiFi flightsims.

[Finkeren]

Llucmk: Get over it. The days of completely free add ons for flight sims are over. You're not going to get more planes than was promised for free. Each of those takes hundreds, even thousands, of man hours to produce, test and tweak. They aren't just gonna be delivered to you, simply because you think they're missing from the plane set.

 

The devs are delivering all that was promised initially, and then some, at a price that's very competitive for a niche market (which is more than can be said for some other sims)

 

If sales go well, they have promised to expand the title further, likely with a combination of single releases (as RoF does it) and larger expansion packages. Again likely at an affordable price (RoF is only really expensive, if you buy everything all at once)

[III/JG52_Llucmk]

I can tell You that  modelling only the flight modell of the upcoming Kurfürst in DCS was around 140.000$.

That might give You an Idea of what production costs we are talking about when it comes to HiFi flightsims.

Yeah, i know that of DCS. I'm backer as well, but i don't think it cost the same for IL-2. Just asking how much would be at Bos lvl...

[Blooddawn1942]

The FM in BoS is for sure at the same level of komplexity as the DCS FM´s.

What may boost the development costs for DCS modules is the system modelling.

[III/JG52_Llucmk]

The FM in BoS is for sure at the same level of komplexity as the DCS FM´s.

What may boost the development costs for DCS modules is the system modelling.

probably at FM yes, but at systems? I don't think so...

[Blooddawn1942]

Thats what I was saying...

[Emgy]

Or in other words: if You want to drive a Porsche, You need to pay for an Porsche. Otherwise You need to stick with Your Vauxhal.

You know Vauxhalls are rebranded Opels, right? Are you dissing Kloppi's ride? ;D

Edited August 29, 2014 by Calvamos

[Finkeren]

You know Vauxhalls are rebranded Opels, right? Are you dissing Kloppi's ride? ;D

Completely off topic, but does someon know, if Vauxhall was used to introduce Opel in the UK, without using the stigmatized word "Blitz", as Opel was called back then?

[JG4_Sputnik]

The FM in BoS is for sure at the same level of komplexity as the DCS FM´s.

What may boost the development costs for DCS modules is the system modelling.

I doubt that. Ever tryied to land the Fw190D in DCS compared to the Anton in BoS? Or the Heinkel in CloD vs the BoS Heinkel? Its always much easyer and straight forward in BoS.

I dont say its bad by any means but if you can land one plane in BoS you can land avery plane in BoS (maybe except the Pe-2). Not the same goes for The other two Simulators.

Edited August 30, 2014 by JG4_Sputnik

[Pharoah]

lol who would've thought it....777 builds a WW2 air combat sim.....and all the customers want is a lumbering twin engine transport plane thats just plainly a sitting duck! lol. but hey...give the customers what they want right?

 

oh and for the record, put me down for a pre-order as well.

[Sim]

There were more Ju 52s at Stalingrad than Bf 109s. I would buy Ju 52 in a heartbeat, whatever the price.

[Habu]

To go back on the topic, i agree that having a JU52 is a must have for me. And i will pre-order it if dev decide to put it in game.

 

There's already a poll on the JU52.

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/844-tante-ju/

[LAL_Fox]

+ 1 for JU-52

 

I love watching this bird flying over my house and this is the iconic aircraft of the battle of Stalingrad.

[MarcoRossolini]

I have to ask though if the Russians can get a similar sort of aircraft...? In this case I'd recommend the Po-2 as an aircraft with the same amount of utility as the a JU-52 (and more in fact)

[IRRE_Genius]

+1 for a flyable JU52 please !

[SYN_Lt_Dan]

+1

[Pollux]

+ 1

Edited August 30, 2014 by Pollux18

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

Omg i did not expect so mich people want a transport plane. Especially after watching the pool.

Devs should really look in to this. Could be a decent money income.

[Finkeren]

I have to ask though if the Russians can get a similar sort of aircraft...? In this case I'd recommend the Po-2 as an aircraft with the same amount of utility as the a JU-52 (and more in fact)

The Po-2 would be absolutely awesome, and the devs experience in building open cockpit biplanes will come in handy. The Po-2 is such a prolific airplane, and would have the extra benefit of being a good trainer aircraft for new pilots (as it was in real life) what's more, it's such a common aircraft (one of the most produced in history) and AFAIK rather well documented and easy to research.

[ParaB]

I would pre-order the JU 52 in the same second it is announced!

+1

[Zettman]

Ju 52 would be awesome and could be handy for an expansionpack (Mediterran). I honestly would like to see the He 177 first, just because I like this plane (I guess most of you have already seen the Model Lemsko made https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlxGCDKng4Y).

 

About the Price: Paying 100€ for such a game is not realy a problem, cause I stick with these games much longer than others. As I still played Battlefield, I payed about the same ammount in a few month with expansion packs, yet I didn't even stick half a year with it and bought the next games 6 month later (another 50€ + expansions). With BoS it is now about 6 month (actively playing, before that I was playing WT) and I spent about 100€ for it too.

 

Zettman