Zak Posted July 2, 2013 Posted July 2, 2013 You probabaly remember the previous official poll regarding non-German Luftwaffe planes. Here goes another one and it should be equally interesting because we are now choosing one of lend-lease aircraft to be available for Soviet fighter pilots.
FlatSpinMan Posted July 2, 2013 Posted July 2, 2013 Well now THIS is going to attract some interest!!! I voted for the Hawk. The Hurri is a dear old girl but I would really like some a bit more survivable with which to take on Friedrich's and Gustav's.
Trooper117 Posted July 2, 2013 Posted July 2, 2013 (edited) Hurricane MkIIb.. with the Vokes filter was the first Hurricane aircraft type for the Soviet Union. Sent over with RAF 151 Wing, 81 and 134 Squadrons. The Hurri in your picture is the Type I'm talking about. It depicts Gen Kuznetsov (first Soviet fighter pilot to fly the Hurricane). Closely followed by Boris Safonov. It was also painted and marked by the RAF for Gen Kuznetsov. Love the Tomahawk as well, probably my favourite fighter of WWII, and another early lend lease type sent over by the RAF. Note I said the Tomahawk not the Kittyhawk. (your pic shows the early P.40 Tomahawk series, not the later Kittyhawk E series) Want them both, lol! Edited July 2, 2013 by Trooper117
Uufflakke Posted July 2, 2013 Posted July 2, 2013 As far as I know there were no Hurri's over Stalingrad. ( But who am I... ) Murmansk and Karelian Front yes but Stalingrad? Therefore I choose the P-40 but I also like the Hurricane very much.
Sven Posted July 2, 2013 Posted July 2, 2013 Voted Hurricane, loved to fly that one in old IL2. It may not have served around Stalingrad, but was around in the same time frame, and it would surely come to use in other theaters and non-historic flight scenarios or QMB. Hurricane had some nice field mods as well.
I/JG27_Rollo Posted July 2, 2013 Posted July 2, 2013 That's a reeeeeally difficult choice but... [...]I voted for the Hawk. The Hurri is a dear old girl but I would really like some a bit more survivable with which to take on Friedrich's and Gustav's. ... I can follow that reasoning. P-40s might be more of a challenge to face than Hurricanes. Hopefully we'll see both in due time.
Trooper117 Posted July 2, 2013 Posted July 2, 2013 Voted Hurricane, loved to fly that one in old IL2. It may not have served around Stalingrad, but was around in the same time frame, and it would surely come to use in other theaters and non-historic flight scenarios or QMB. Hurricane had some nice field mods as well. There is talk of an add on after the initial release if it goes well.. Lend lease types were mentioned for the add on.. so this could be looking into that direction I guess.
SYN_Vander Posted July 2, 2013 Posted July 2, 2013 Oooohhh tough choice! Have to think this one through... Both aircraft would also fit nicely in a North Africa scenario (which should really be be a bonus map!!), but since I love the sharkmouth of 112sqn it has to be the Tomahawk!
JtD Posted July 2, 2013 Posted July 2, 2013 I voted P-40, but if the Hurricane might be a IIc model, count my vote as pro Hurricane. I just love the bad ass 4xHispano guns.
TJT Posted July 2, 2013 Posted July 2, 2013 (edited) P-40 for the very simple reason of it was there, the Hurricane wasnt. Otherwise you might as well throw out the ambition to have an appropriate plane set for the scenario/map we'll have for them. Edited July 2, 2013 by TJT
csThor Posted July 2, 2013 Posted July 2, 2013 Actually in the running up phase to Stalingrad (July) there was one division equipped with Hurricanes - 235th IAD with 46 IAP, 180 IAP (withdrawn mid-July due to losses), 191 IAP and 436 IAP. BC/RS 3 mentions them last on July 22 so I don't know if they stayed or were eventually pulled out. 2
No105_Swoose Posted July 2, 2013 Posted July 2, 2013 (edited) I love the Hurricane in flight simulations for some of the reasons RL pilots liked it: relatively easy-to-fly, fairly easy to land compared to a Spitfire, and can take a fair amount of damage. OTOH it's slow. So I voted for the P-40 to have something slightly more survivable in which to fly. My dream would be that, building on the success of IL-2 Sturmovik: Battle of Stalingrad, 1CDGS and 777 would develop a North African/Mediterranean Theater of Operations sim where both the P-40 and Hurricane featured prominently in helping stop Rommel's Afrika Korps. Edited July 2, 2013 by Swoose
TJT Posted July 3, 2013 Posted July 3, 2013 Actually in the running up phase to Stalingrad (July) there was one division equipped with Hurricanes - 235th IAD with 46 IAP, 180 IAP (withdrawn mid-July due to losses), 191 IAP and 436 IAP. BC/RS 3 mentions them last on July 22 so I don't know if they stayed or were eventually pulled out. According to C F Geusts post (far down by the end) as an update to his "Red Stars Vol.4 - Lend-lease aircraft in Russia" . 235 IAD was attached to 8 VA. In addition to the mentioned three regiments (46, 180, and 436 IAP) also 191 IAP was briefly equipped with Hurricanes. The division was practically annihilated in late summer 1942 (???
01Wingchaps Posted July 28, 2013 Posted July 28, 2013 =KAG=Bersrk, thanks for that film clip. We must have the P-40 now. Any talk of the Hurricane is to be set aside until a similar clip can be posted...
Corto Posted August 6, 2013 Posted August 6, 2013 (edited) First P40 but later hopefully both... @Bersrk Cinema Memories..... thx.... Edited August 6, 2013 by Corto
Mysticpuma Posted August 6, 2013 Posted August 6, 2013 (edited) Hawker Hurricane so we could have Murmansk and "Force Benedict" re-enacted. Obviously not Stalingrad, but a great possibility for expansion as part of the lend-lease missions Some great info. here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1181390/Stalins-British-heroes-The-discovery-forgotten-medal-reveals-extraordinary-courage-RAF-aces-fought-Soviet-Union.html and here: http://www.wartimenews.co.uk/murmansk.html and here: http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/articles/sheppard/hurricanes/index.htm and here: http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/articles/sheppard/hurricane_Z5252/index.htm and here with some pics from the Hurricane's based at Vaenga: http://81squadron.com/WW%202.htm and finally for those who speak Russian, they used a small clip of Eric Carter that I filmed (last surviving member of 81 Squadron who flew in Russia) in a news article over there. He turns up at approx. 3m 55secs in the news article, which includes some great footage of the Hurricane's and aircraft in Murmansk: http://www.vesti.ru/videos?vid=298438 I think the lend-lease in Murmansk would be a fascinating addition Cheers, MP Edited August 6, 2013 by Mysticpuma
Finkeren Posted August 11, 2013 Posted August 11, 2013 Given those two, I ave to say P-40, but I would much rather see a P-39 to be honest.
Original_Uwe Posted August 12, 2013 Posted August 12, 2013 P-40, followed by P-39, followed by Hurricane. But P-40 by a HUGE margin. Please, just please take my money and turn it into a P-40!
Skoshi_Tiger Posted August 12, 2013 Posted August 12, 2013 I voted P-40 but then again it would be sweet to take a cannon armed Hurricane out against some ground targets!
ImPeRaToR Posted August 12, 2013 Posted August 12, 2013 P-39, don't really care about the other two 1
79_vRAF_Friendly_flyer Posted August 12, 2013 Posted August 12, 2013 Hurricane! P-40 is nice and all, but Hurricane really is my cup of tea.
III/JG53Frankyboy Posted August 12, 2013 Posted August 12, 2013 (edited) P-39, don't really care about the other two they are making the Fw190 even it has nothing to do with the Stalingradscenario. Well, nothing should stop them to make the P-39 now Edited August 12, 2013 by Frankyboy
Sgt_Joch Posted August 12, 2013 Posted August 12, 2013 (edited) P-40, between these two. Although as others have mentioned my first choice by far would be the P-39. However, I will buy any or all of these three. Edited August 12, 2013 by 2Lt_Joch
SOLIDKREATE Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 P-40 all the way. It has .50 cal machine guns as opposed to the Hurricanes 7.7mm guns even thought there are 8 of them.
BlueHeron Posted August 21, 2013 Posted August 21, 2013 Why isn't P-39 in the list? Oh well, either of the two works for me.
Cybermat47 Posted September 2, 2013 Posted September 2, 2013 Hurricane. It's a reliable little bugger. 1
Zak Posted September 2, 2013 Author Posted September 2, 2013 Why isn't P-39 in the list? Oh well, either of the two works for me. Tha't pretty simple - the choice should be historically correct and the Axis competitor should be adequate.
BMA_FlyingShark Posted September 2, 2013 Posted September 2, 2013 P-40 but with only a horseneck before the Hurricane.
HeavyCavalrySgt Posted September 2, 2013 Posted September 2, 2013 P-39 would be my first choice, then P-40. Either way, it should be as the Russians used them, not as they were in American service. 2
hiro Posted September 7, 2013 Posted September 7, 2013 both will be in the sim, but based off the poll, we'll see the P-40 . . . flying tigers . . . God is my copilot and . . .
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