Pacific theater

[Reflected]

Recently we've seen so many new sims in development, we've really been spoiled. There's one theater of war, one of my personal favorites, that has been neglected though. I keep dreaming about a decent Pacific theater sim, a worthy successor of the outdated Il2 Pacific Fighters. I would love to land Hellcats on carriers, or fly Corsairs taking off from a thin sandy runway surrounded by the jungle. I also think that such a sim would be quite marketable...what do you say?

 

[DD_bongodriver]

Convince the Russians it's something they want and we might have a chance.

[Finkeren]

I can somewhat see the appeal of carrier operations in a sim, but other than that, the Pacific has little going for me.

 

The scope is either too small (in terms of numbers) too large (size of the area of operations) battles usually too short and missions too long.

 

I never really got into the Pacific Fighters campaign. It seemed boring and repeatitive to me. Perhaps that's why I'm biased against the PTO.

 

To me nothing will ever beat the Eastern Front. It takes the top spot in terms of scope, numbers variety, number of participating nations, action and drama.

[Dakpilot]

I think "Pacific fighters" left a bit of a sour taste among the Russian developers..but am sure it will come to BoS when they have dealt with other easier Theatres: whole new planeset and Ships A/C etc.

 

this of course depending on BoS acceptance at Full release.

 

I am sure CLoD would have got there if it had not died in the starting blocks!

 

However the absurd copyright hassles with many A/C and ships are possibly a deterrent even now

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[Finkeren]

Also to Reflecteds OP:

 

You claim, that the PTO has been neglected by flight sim developers. I actually fail to see how it has. Arguably the Pacific has been the focus of more WW2 combat flight sims than any other theatre (Battlehawks 1942, Aces of the Pacific, 1942 The Pacific Air War, Pacific Strike, MSCFS2 and Pacific Fighters are the ones I can think of off the top of my head)

 

It's true, that there have been no CFS covering the Pacific since IL-2 went there 10 years ago, but how many true WW2 flight sims have there been since then? 2 BoB sims and now an Eastern Front sim, that's it.

[Reflected]

Also to Reflecteds OP:

 

You claim, that the PTO has been neglected by flight sim developers. I actually fail to see how it has. Arguably the Pacific has been the focus of more WW2 combat flight sims than any other theatre (Battlehawks 1942, Aces of the Pacific, 1942 The Pacific Air War, Pacific Strike, MSCFS2 and Pacific Fighters are the ones I can think of off the top of my head)

 

It's true, that there have been no CFS covering the Pacific since IL-2 went there 10 years ago, but how many true WW2 flight sims have there been since then? 2 BoB sims and now an Eastern Front sim, that's it.

 

Yes, before it was very popular! I loved AOP and 1942.

[DD_bongodriver]

Because we used to have flight sim developers outside of Russia.

[Finkeren]

Because we used to have flight sim developers outside of Russia.

Thank God we got past that. I wouldn't want the Eastern Front to be completely ignored still.

[DD_bongodriver]

it's one extreme to the other, now the Eastern front is getting boring.

[Finkeren]

Not to me it isn't

 

Besides, until BoS comes out, we have still only had 1 sim covering the Eastern Front ever.

[sallee]

I'd rather have the Winter War!

[DD_bongodriver]

the idea that from now on it's nothing but Eastern front is boring

[Finkeren]

Who gave you that idea? So far we have seen Russian developers make sims covering the PTO, BoB, at least trying to make an ETO sim (still hoping) and a WW1 sim of the Western Front.

 

The idea that a Russian developer won't make anything not concerning the Great Patriotic War is laughable.

[Finkeren]

BTW: If 777 or any other serious developer were making a Pacific sim, would I buy and fly it? You betcha!

[DD_bongodriver]

North Africa and the Med would be a nice change.

[Mastermariner]

Until the Chinese have bought the military industrial complex in the US this will be legally impossible. And even then the cost of modelling carriers etc. will be prohibitive.

I'm afraid that we are looking at the pinnacle and end of flight simulators.

 

Master

[FuriousMeow]

Until the Chinese have bought the military industrial complex in the US this will be legally impossible.

 

Now that is just absurd, and the last thing the US military industrial complex wants are cheap Chinese knock offs that fall apart with the slightest touch.

[Dakpilot]

Now that is just absurd, and the last thing the US military industrial complex wants are cheap Chinese knock offs that fall apart with the slightest touch.

 

Chill, is just reference to insane copyright attitude of current (certain) US military industrial giants

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[Finkeren]

I'm afraid that we are looking at the pinnacle and end of flight simulators.

 

Wow. A lot of doom n' gloom on the forums today.

 

What's with the sudden pessimism?

[FuriousMeow]

Chill, is just reference to insane copyright attitude of current (certain) US military industrial giants

 

Cheers Dakpilot

 

Which is nonsense and absurd and a lie constantly repeated. The problem was the usage of the manufacturers names on the actual product box of PF, and not the usage of the aircraft.

 

Notice how there isn't a lack of certain US military industrial giant's aircraft in War Thunder or World of WarPlanes?

[Tektolnes]

You have to get a licence to use the designs of a number of US WW2 planes to be able to represent them in sims. WT have gone through that licencing process. VEAO who are doing the F8F Bearcat on DCS are in the process of going through the Grumman licencing process. Simply making the product and leaving their name off the packaging will not get you around these companies lawyers and will land you in hot water legally. There's no such problems doing planes like the Spitfire, 109, etc. 

Edited June 19, 2014 by Tektolnes

[BraveSirRobin]

We need Med/North Africa theater

[DD_bongodriver]

We need Med/North Africa theater

 

North Africa and the Med would be a nice change.

 

Too slow

Edited June 19, 2014 by DD_bongodriver

[BraveSirRobin]

It's not a race.  

[sallee]

Quite right. But I beat anyone else who suggests Finland.

[ST_ami7b5]

the idea that from now on it's nothing but Eastern front is boring

 

During BoB Luftwaffe lost 1733 planes.

At Eastern front Luftwaffe lost at least 77 000 planes.

 

Source:

Andrew Brookes: Air War Over Russia.

Edited June 19, 2014 by ST_ami7b5

[DD_bongodriver]

and?

[Dakpilot]

Which is nonsense and absurd and a lie constantly repeated. The problem was the usage of the manufacturers names on the actual product box of PF, and not the usage of the aircraft.

 

Notice how there isn't a lack of certain US military industrial giant's aircraft in War Thunder or World of WarPlanes?

 

You have to get a licence to use the designs of a number of US WW2 planes to be able to represent them in sims. WT have gone through that licencing process. VEAO who are doing the F8F Bearcat on DCS are in the process of going through the Grumman licencing process. Simply making the product and leaving their name off the packaging will not get you around these companies lawyers and will land you in hot water legally. There's no such problems doing planes like the Spitfire, 109, etc. 

 

Grumman also hold Licence for a number of WWII ships built by other companies they have since acquired/merged with

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[ST_ami7b5]

and?

LOL, nothing...

[Dakpilot]

I have to say some of my fondest moments and some of the best SP campaigns in IL2 1946 were in the Pacific

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[HeavyCavalrySgt]

I'd like to see Pac Ops, particularly in a dynamic campaign...

 

That being said, what I am really interested in right now is the Med.  Amphibious invasions, maritime interdiction, carrier ops, recon, attacking surface and sub-surface combatants, air to ground missions, neutral and feigned neutral nations and cities, interesting enemies that aren't often featured in games, huge sandstorms, heavy bombers flying out of NA, airborna troops; what's not to love?

 

The problem is, it would be huge.  I think that would need to be broken up into sub theaters and time periods.

[DD_bongodriver]

I really like the added challenge of carrier ops

[DD_bongodriver]

great for frame rates

[ST_ami7b5]

North Africa and the Med would be a nice change.

 

I would prefer it to Pacific too (after Eastern front).

But don't tell Jason.

Pacific is his favourite theater.

[Volkoff]

I would prefer it to Pacific too (after Eastern front).

But don't tell Jason.

Pacific is his favourite theater.

 

Then Jason has great taste!  Wildcats, Hellcats, and Corsairs would be utterly outstanding. A theatre without BF this or Fw that would be great, too. North Africa would be interesting in terms of the map, itself. I am sure the map would look lovely. In terms of planes, I would probably use a P-40 on that map and I would much rather a Soviet modified P-40, than a North African version. Still, the North African map would be extremely lovely to sim fly over.

 

 MJ

 

Edited June 19, 2014 by =69.GIAP=MIKHA

[LLv44_Mprhead]

North Africa would be the most interesting theatre. Especially if it was Tunisian campaign autumn 1942 - spring 1943. It would have P-39, P-40 AND P-38! Well, there would be wide variety of planes on both sides, and most of the Axis planes in BoS could be used also.

 

But yes, I would very much like to see Pacific also.

[FuriousMeow]

You have to get a licence to use the designs of a number of US WW2 planes to be able to represent them in sims. WT have gone through that licencing process. VEAO who are doing the F8F Bearcat on DCS are in the process of going through the Grumman licencing process. Simply making the product and leaving their name off the packaging will not get you around these companies lawyers and will land you in hot water legally. There's no such problems doing planes like the Spitfire, 109, etc. 

 

What source do you have for this information, seems like complete BS to me because WT is using the same aircraft from their previous titles - seems like the licensing would have been worked out with those titles. If not, they would have been hit with a huge fine and that would have prevented WT being free to play. AoE, AoTP, 1942:PAW, EAW, B-17: Mighty Eighth, Air Warrior, AW II, AWIII, Confirmed Kill I, Confirmed Kill II, Aces High, Aces High II, WarBirds, Warbirds II, Warbirds III, I can go on - but they didn't license.

 

So, why couldn't WT carry over their licenses from BoS or BoP? Same planes.

Grumman also hold Licence for a number of WWII ships built by other companies they have since acquired/merged with

 

Cheers Dakpilot

 

Unfortunately your quote is sourced by zero evidence - I like mine better of games (a few still active today and making money) that don't license through Northrop Grumman (or other aircraft manufacturers such as Lockheed Martin or Boeing) that have several Grumman (and other US not owned by Northrop Grumman) aircraft modelled.

 

Repetition does not equate to facts. No one has ever presented the facts around Luthier's mismanaged 1946 venture - and that is exactly when this whole BS started.

 

It must be US corporation greed by US companies that makes billions of dollars from defense contracts, that a few thousand dollars matter from games attempting to represent their aircraft from publicly available information. No, US corporation greed is it!

Edited June 20, 2014 by FuriousMeow

[MiloMorai]

Carrier ops are fun for a while but all that water everywhere... Zzzzzzz.

 

I want some greenery or some brown(ery?) next.

 

You would get green and brown as USN planes were used to attack land targets.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I think "Pacific fighters" left a bit of a sour taste among the Russian developers..but am sure it will come to BoS when they have dealt with other easier Theatres: whole new planeset and Ships A/C etc.

 

this of course depending on BoS acceptance at Full release.

 

I am sure CLoD would have got there if it had not died in the starting blocks!

 

However the absurd copyright hassles with many A/C and ships are possibly a deterrent even now

 

Cheers Dakpilot

Copyright should not be a problem as long as it is handled right. That little issue came from trying to use manufacturers names which ARE copyrighted as opposed to using military designations which are not.

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

I'd buy in if Boomerang and Wirraway were included in the goodness along side the obvious Corsairs, Zeros, Oscars, and Lightnings.