LuftManu Posted May 11, 2014 Posted May 11, 2014 (edited) Seeing this topic http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/6429-full-mission-builder-discussion/ And the answer of Jason, with the actual situation, (Short version: We think in not releasing the FMB because it's very hard to use it)(IMHO) Also an commentary explaining your Decision would help I hope this help the Devs to take a decision I vote Yes, because I Think we cannot Fly this Sim without an editor, Making Squad missions, Doing experiments. Edited May 11, 2014 by 15[Span]/Manu_vc
startrekmike Posted May 11, 2014 Posted May 11, 2014 Complicated or not, Battle of Stalingrad needs a full mission builder on release, the ability to make missions is a essential part of the flight sim experience for many players and to take that out of their hands just because it is deemed too difficult or not popular enough seems like it will have far more negative effects than it will positive effects. They don't even need to include the ROF editor in with the sim out of the box, just make it a entirely separate download with a very strongly worded disclaimer/release form that the user must read (or at least acknowledge) before being able to download it, you could even do one step more and add a simple pop up dialogue box that can't be disabled saying that the mission editor is released as/is and unless there are funds and time available to make a better one, this is what we get. To be blunt, if they are willing to release the editor to a smaller, isolated group, there is no reason why they can't just release it publicly with a heavy disclaimer. Please, I am not pushing so hard on this to be difficult, I am not trying to be a jerk here, I just feel that keeping the editor out of the public's hands risks the longevity of this sim before it is even released, the ability to make missions is essential in any flight sim, we understand fully that the ROF editor is tough to deal with but you are about to get a whole bunch of users from the IL-2 side of things that deserve the chance to learn that for themselves, to determine if they want to use it or not. Add a heavy disclaimer before download, put up a big, neon red and green pop up that we have to acknowledge every time we start the editor, anything, just please release it to the public. 1
334th_L0C0 Posted May 11, 2014 Posted May 11, 2014 This poll doesn't have the option I would choose, and that would be, this game needs a user friendly mission builder. But if not user friendly, any mission builder would be better than none. It's absolutely ridiculous as with the choice about skinning to only allow a few to do it, and not give it to everyone to build or skin as they wish.
Habu Posted May 11, 2014 Posted May 11, 2014 Battle of Stalingrad needs a full mission builder on release. Rof FMB is fine for me, because it's a very powerfull tool which can build many kind of mission, and dynamic front. 1
[JG2]R7_Blackadder Posted May 11, 2014 Posted May 11, 2014 Can't think of a flight sim without a proper mission builder. The tool we have now is just too generic to be used for long and productively. It's not accurate on positioning to pick an important example, but doesn't matter if the alternative is so complicated. It just means the learning curve will be steeper. If you have other concerns, then maybe you should improve what we have now but it remains a temporary solution. Any FMB has to be in.
SYN_Jedders Posted May 11, 2014 Posted May 11, 2014 This isn't really an accurate poll tbh. The FMB is being released but not to everyone at first.
startrekmike Posted May 11, 2014 Posted May 11, 2014 This isn't really an accurate poll tbh. The FMB is being released but not to everyone at first. It was my distinct impression that the only way we would see a public release of a FMB is IF they are able to get the money and time to develop a better one, I don't think they have any plans to publicly release the current one at all. As such, while it is great for folks who are established mission editors or are part of public groups with established missions editors on tap, it pretty much leaves everyone else in the cold. That is the core of my concern really, we don't really know that they will ever get to a new editor and if the public release of ANY editor rides on that, well, I can't say I am optimistic.
SYN_Jedders Posted May 11, 2014 Posted May 11, 2014 I'm only trying to point out that the poll is suggesting there might not be any release of the FMB thus making any mission making impossible ever. That's hardly accurate. There will a be partial release in its current state and hopefully, hopefully a release of a new candidate in the future should economics allow. Let's just give people the whole picture for the poll is all I'm saying. In an ideal world it would be excellent to release an FMB that would allow folks to make perfectly optimised missions that show the game in the right light. I just don't see the current client doing that and i can only speculate that it may be a worry for the team too.
stiboo Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 Hard to know what is the right thing to do.... Remember this Sim is RoF WW2 not IL2 and the developers are stuck with the complicated RoF FMB they made years a go, I have tried using the RoF FMB but didn't enjoy it so did not use it. I've probably put in 1000hrs on the old IL2 FMB as I enjoyed using it and it was user friendly. But us campaign designers always complained that the old IL2 FMB was TOO simple!! and that we wanted a few more complex options added - triggers, scripts, formations, cut scenes, briefing pics/vids etc.. So all the BoS developers have to do is make the perfect FMB that's not too simple and not too complex and will please everyone!! But also remember many players (myself included) will drift away from the game if its not easy to make and add new missions/campaigns/skins. My dream is that we can have a FMB similar to the old IL2 FMB with a few more features. My gut feeling is that 777/1CGS like to keep full control over their product and we will only see paid content in the future rather than free community made stuff. .
All_Apologies Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 IMHO it really comes down to money. If the game sells well and they can afford to hire some people to make an easy to use editor that would be great! But for now even though the ROF editor actually requires people to read a manual to figure it out its not as terrible as some make it out to be and I hope Jason allows it to be downloaded by anyone instead of a select few. With that said anyone that might have money laying around and wants to donate it to 777 studios to hire a couple programmers to make an easy to use editor be my guest, I dont think Jason would say no.
LLv44_Mprhead Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 This isn't really an accurate poll tbh. The FMB is being released but not to everyone at first. This.
Matt Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 IMHO, if they really don't plan to release a BoS FMB to everyone, they should just make the RoF editor compatible with BoS. Then BoS would have no official FMB (yet) and they won't need to worry about people asking for support, because the RoF FMB working is "just a fluke" if you will and everyone who already spend time on the RoF FMB can keep on doing that for BoS.
79_vRAF_Friendly_flyer Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 This poll doesn't have the option I would choose, and that would be, this game needs a user friendly mission builder. But if not user friendly, any mission builder would be better than none. It's absolutely ridiculous as with the choice about skinning to only allow a few to do it, and not give it to everyone to build or skin as they wish. I does indeed. I don't know how difficult it is to put a more user friendly shell over the existing ROFstyle mission builder, could that be something that a community effort could contribute to?
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 This poll doesn't have the option I would choose, and that would be, this game needs a user friendly mission builder. But if not user friendly, any mission builder would be better than none. It's absolutely ridiculous as with the choice about skinning to only allow a few to do it, and not give it to everyone to build or skin as they wish. I'd be in agreement with this sentiment, but I think that's sort of the way most feel about the inclusion of an editor. I'd be really puzzled if anyone thought a mission builder should be excluded.
LuftManu Posted May 12, 2014 Author Posted May 12, 2014 (edited) Zak already made an answer Thank you for hear us, I know the poll was not very accurate, but of course, we want an FMB, for everyone. Thats the point of the poll. Thanks for the users who vote and expresed their opnion whatever it was. Hope this helped the Devs @Mods Close this thread please Edited May 12, 2014 by 15[Span]/Manu_vc
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